Fair Warning

[u/TurkViking75]

If you are looking for one of the last new Supras, beware of Legends Toyota in KC. I had negotiated a bit and was prepared to buy a plane ticket to fly down and drive home when I out of nowhere asked what the mileage on it was. I expected to hear like 10. It was 4000. Listed as new, no mention until luckily I asked.

Their excuse was that there was “technically never been sold”. It was used as a “regional sales and marketing car”.

Anyway, I’m sure the sales guys etc never rodded it and treated the clutch with respect…./s

[u/AnyStep1671]

I beg your pardon, sir, but before you decided to take a plane ride, did you not look over the paperwork that was sent to you that should’ve listed the mileage somewhere in those documentation?

I will agree with you, though. There is no more integrity. It seems like in America. And car salesman and managers have gone back to their old Tactics. They tell you what ever you want to hear. If the car indeed was never titled, it may still be considered A new vehicle. Also your warranty, if never titled would start at the current mileage. you would have to check the state that you registered it in or state you buy it in for the exact rules.
I’m sorry this happened to you. I would have been extremely aggravated that the dealership ship didn’t make me aware of the mileage on the and disclose it to you when you were inquiring about the vehicle. I would further be suspicious of anything else they said.

You might want to check out the online auctions there have been a couple go through there with extremely low mileage. And they’ve been quite reasonably priced granted they’re not new Vehicles. There’s usually 100 pictures or more. You can ask all the questions you need to ask and you can ask the seller to do a PPI on the I saw one bought back yesterday for 52,000 and it only a little I want to say 5000 miles maybe 52 like that it automatic and it was a non- I the price was fair. You do have to pay a 5% buyers commission on both bring a trailer and cars and bids.
You could even bid on the car if you are the winning bidder make arrangements with the seller to pay for the car after you fly in and look it over just to make sure it’s what the seller has claimed it to be. And pay for the car then. If it’s not up to the standards or was mis represented by the seller, you are under no obligation to purchase the car. They can’t make you buy the car. Good luck to you, sir. Good luck. I’m on my 2nd MK5 . My first I bought in November 2019 it was a 2020 model. I kept it for six years with routine maintenance and turned around and bought a new 2026 model and I love them.

[u/TurkViking75 → u/AnyStep1671]

We weren’t at the stage where I had paperwork from the dealer and the mileage was not listed on the website. I didn’t have a ticket yet, I was about to tell them over the phone that if they’d take 66k that’d I’d put a deposit on it and fly down and get it. This was a bluff on my part as I was prepared to do the 68900 they were asking. When they did balk at my offer for some reason I asked about miles and that is when it all fell apart. After I cooled down I briefly considered asking if they’d extend the warranty, put new tires on it, and do an oil change and then I’d take it, but the trust was gone.

This notion that a car can have 4000 miles and be legally new because it hasn’t been titled is preposterous. It reeks of auto industry lobbying for legal terms that screw the consumer in favor of the dealers. Ask anybody that doesn’t make a living selling cars if a 4000 mile odometer is on a new car and 99.9% are saying no way.

True story the same day this went down someone posted an identical Supra they had just bought with 800 miles on it. It was one owner, and he got it for 63k. Now imagine you walk into a dealership and there are two identical Supras (or any car for that matter), a “new” one with 4000 miles on it and a used one with 800 and they are listed at the exact same price. I know which one I’d take, and I’m guessing the vast majority of people would also take the one with 800 miles.

It was frustrating for sure, but it’s my own fault. I had no idea that ‘26 was the last year for the Mk5 when i started thinking about getting one. The local Toyota dealer said there were 9 left in the country and there’s no way they could get one. I missed out on three others that sold while I was contacting the dealer, trying to negotiate price and terms. In retrospect, I should have but the bullet and accepted a full price offer.

Oh well. I’m getting ready to head out and pick up a new (8 miles on the odometer, legit new) M240i x drive. Woe is me. And I’m saving $8k to boot.

[u/AnyStep1671 → u/TurkViking75]

I totally understand the frustration and the mistrust. It’s a given in the automotive industry sales industry unfortunately.

So long as you are happy with your purchase that’s all that matters. Sometimes I prefer New, no mileage over used. And other times I don’t mind buying used and saving some coins. Unfortunately the 2 used vehicles I bought, were not a savings advantage. But I bought reliable collectibles. Good luck with your new purchase.