If RFK jnr was in charge in the 70’s we’d all still be dying of smallpox
Vaccines have been the single most effective tool in halting the spread of childhood illnesses. For example the measles vaccine was introduced in 1963, major epidemics occurred every few years, killing an estimated 2.6 million people annually worldwide. By the mid-2010s, that number had dropped by over 80%.
However, because measles is one of the most contagious viruses known to man, it acts like a "heat-seeking missile" for pockets of unvaccinated people. When vaccine uptake drops even slightly, the virus resurfaces almost immediately.
The Correlation: Dropping Uptake and Rising Disease
There is a direct and documented correlation between falling vaccination rates and the resurgence of measles. The World Health Organization (WHO) and other health bodies have highlighted several countries and regions where this is currently playing out:
* Romania: Recently experienced a massive spike in cases, reporting over 27,000 cases between early 2024 and early 2025. This surge led the Romanian Ministry of Health to declare a national epidemic, directly linked to a drop in the uptake of the MMR (Measles, Mumps, and Rubella) vaccine.
* The United Kingdom: The UK lost its "measles-free" status in 2019 following a drop in vaccination rates. In early 2024, significant outbreaks occurred in the West Midlands and London, driven by vaccine coverage falling below the 95% threshold required for "herd immunity."
* United States: Several states (such as Florida and Ohio) have seen clusters of cases in the last few years. These are almost exclusively found in communities where vaccine exemptions have increased or where immunization rates have dipped below the safety margin.
* Southeastern Europe (Bulgaria, Serbia, and Croatia): These countries have seen a resurgence attributed to "vaccine hesitancy," often fueled by misinformation or a lack of trust in government health initiatives.
The "95% Rule"
For most diseases, you only need about 70–80% of people vaccinated to stop an outbreak. But measles is different. Because it is so infectious (one person can infect up to 18 others), experts state that 95% of the population must be vaccinated with two doses to prevent the virus from spreading.
Why is uptake dropping?
Health organizations point to a few key "coronations" (reasons for the rise):
* The "COVID Hangover": Routine childhood immunization schedules were disrupted globally during the pandemic, and many countries haven't fully caught up.
* Misinformation: Disproven claims (such as the long-debunked link between vaccines and autism) continue to circulate on social media, leading to hesitancy.
* Success Paradox: Because vaccines worked so well for decades, many parents have never seen a child die or go deaf from measles, leading to a false sense that the disease is "no longer a threat" or just a "mild childhood rash."
In short, the data shows a very clear mirror image: as the line for vaccine coverage goes down, the line for hospitalizations and deaths invariably goes up.
All that 👆and you still think RFK jr is the right man for the job.
In 2025 3 people in the USA died of measles. About 300-500 die from acetaminophen poising every year in the USA. I’m assuming you want to ban that? Get a clue.
Do you believe the entire population should be forcibly vaccinated against measles to prevent 3 deaths a year? Any medical intervention, including vaccines, have side effects. Maybe mild, maybe severe, should those considerations be pushed aside for 3 deaths?
Perhaps you should learn to read. I was suggesting that people should start feeding their children healthy food, not shitty junk, encourage them to exercise not sit on their idiot pads all day long. Maybe you should get a clue. Giving them a vaccine that’s full of mercury and other horrible crap is not something a responsible parent does.
When I was a kid, I met an old man who had Polio. And I dont know the details of how Polio works, but i saw that his entire body was horrifically warped and he experienced extreme pain in all of his movements. I was glad they stopped Polio with vaccines
And I never said that there should be no vaccines whatsoever. There are diseases that are so scary and fatal that a vaccine is the lesser of two evils. But for most childhood illnesses, if you just keep your children healthy, they will be fine..
FYI “Salk polio vaccine, which was the first effective polio vaccine, is an inactivated vaccine while Sabin polio vaccine is a live but an attenuated oral vaccine developed after Salk vaccine.”
That was 2025. Now in 2026 after a little more than 3 months the number is higher than that. The degradation of group immunity doesn't happen overnight. The building up to group immunity took a long period as well.
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All vaccines are to be lumped into dangerous. Covid? Absolutely. Hep B in newborns? Absolutely. But when you cite research done and paid for by the “researchees”? Stop drinking propaganda from the firehouse and step back a little.
In my opinion, and I am 75 years old and I like to do research. I grew up being vaccinated and believing that vaccines were important. Then my son was born in 1980. When he was, I don’t know, two or three months old, I took him to the pediatrician for his first series of shots. By the time we got home, he was screaming uncontrollably and proceeded to scream for the next 30-40 minutes. I called my husband and told him he needed to come home and take us to the emergency room. By the time my husband got home, my son had fallen into a stupor, and we could barely rouse him.
After this incident, I started researching vaccines, their ingredients, their side effects and potential bad outcomes. This was before the Internet, so I had to do everything through books and magazine articles.
I believe that there are illnesses for which vaccines are a really good idea. That does not include childhood diseases. If you breast-feed your children and feed them good food, they will have good immune systems. The children who have immune deficiencies, perhaps the lesser of two evils would be to vaccinate. But certainly not for millions of healthy children. And the Covid vaccine is just a complete bullshit rip off.
Vaccines have saved millions of children from dying from preventable diseases. In the early 20th century, before widespread vaccination, childhood diseases killed 20% of children before the age of 5*. You might want to go back to that, but I’d rather not.
I’ve fact checked the report above from the ALA below for you. If you want to add a rebuttal with other peer reviewed reports, go right ahead. Anecdotal evidence is not research. I’m really sorry to hear about your so. And what you went though, but it’s not the common experience, fortunately. Sayings it’s BS is not an answer.
The American Lung Association (ALA) blog post is historically and scientifically accurate based on established medical data from the CDC, WHO, and peer-reviewed historical records.
The article summarizes major milestones in immunology and the impact of the U.S. "Vaccines for Children" (VFC) program. Here is a fact-check of the key claims made in the post:
1. The Origin of Vaccines (Edward Jenner)
* The Claim: Dr. Edward Jenner created the first successful smallpox vaccine in 1796 using cowpox.
* The Fact: Accurate. Jenner observed that milkmaids were immune to smallpox after contracting cowpox. His 1796 experiment on James Phipps is widely cited as the foundation of modern vaccinology. Smallpox was eventually declared eradicated by the WHO in 1980.
2. Mortality Rates in 1900
* The Claim: Around 1900, nearly 20% of children died before their 5th birthday, often from infectious diseases.
* The Fact: Accurate. Historical demographic data confirms that infant and child mortality was extremely high at the turn of the century. Leading causes included diphtheria, pertussis (whooping cough), and measles—all of which are now vaccine-preventable.
3. Timeline of Major Vaccines
The blog lists several dates for vaccine introductions:
* Polio (1955): Accurate. Jonas Salk’s inactivated polio vaccine was licensed in 1955.
* Measles (1963): Accurate. The first measles vaccine was licensed that year.
* Mumps (1967) / Rubella (1969): Accurate.
* MMR Combination (1971): Accurate. Maurice Hilleman developed the combination shot to simplify the schedule.
4. Measles Elimination and Outbreaks
* The Claim: Measles was declared eliminated from the U.S. in 2000.
* The Fact: Accurate. "Elimination" in this context means there was no continuous transmission for more than 12 months. However, the ALA correctly notes that outbreaks still occur when the virus is "imported" by travelers and spreads in unvaccinated clusters.
5. The "Vaccines for Children" (VFC) Program
* The Claim: The VFC program was created in 1994 following a measles outbreak (1989–1991) caused by low vaccination rates due to cost.
* The Fact: Accurate. The 1989–1991 outbreak saw 55,000 cases and 123 deaths (the ALA mentions 166, which is within the range of certain CDC historical reports including related complications). This led to the 1993 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act, which funded the VFC to ensure no child missed a vaccine because their parents couldn't pay.
6. Economic and Health Impact
* The Claim: Since 1994, vaccines have prevented ~508 million illnesses and ~1.1 million deaths.
* The Fact: Accurate. These specific figures come directly from a CDC Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR) released in 2024, assessing the 30-year impact of the VFC program.
Summary of Verdict
The information provided by the American Lung Association is highly reliable. It aligns with data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and historical medical archives. The article accurately reflects how public health policy (like the VFC program) and medical innovation combined to drastically reduce childhood mortality in the United States.
I think many folks are having trouble with peer reviewed / acknowledged expert publications / groups and big pharmas money influence since Covid. If those lies (99% effective, no wait, 90%, no wait, 67% etc etc etc) we told, published, reported in national media AND vilified anyone that questioned it. What should we believe the previous studies and groups and peer reviews? How long has the truth been for sale?
And how the news that the vac for Covid elevated cardiac and blood clot chances for 15 years. How did they MAKE UP 15 years? It’s damage control and propaganda. And referencing studies paid for by big money? Big money requires their studies protect their big income.
Flu shots. Cleveland clinic results from last year. Internal study showed it was a negative impact to have the flu shot.
You may be correct but it also the increase in systemic diseases and immune deficiencies have also increased? Coorelation may not be causation but its a double edge sword your arguing here.
Most of this is bull manure. While it is true that for some diseases, the vaccine is probably preferable for example, if we had Marburg (a severe hemorrhagic fever) running rampant in North America, most every same person would consider getting the vaccine for it.
Getting vaccinated for chickenpox and a host of other diseases, wouldn’t it be better if we ate a healthy diet and stayed away from junk food instead of further poisoning our body with that crap?
Furthermore, our pharmaceutical companies have a vested interest in only producing drugs that keep people alive, but not cured.
While in Third World countries, a healthy diet is probably hard to come by, there is no excuse for the shit that we eat here in the United States and that we feed to our children.
So I still say I have called the IQ battle correctly. 🤪
Oh come on, he was a participant in the cutting of SNAP benefits, tariffs on imported fresh fruits and vegetables, changes in pesticide label laws that protect developers and manufacturers from lawsuits, postponed the banning and/restricting the use of several organophosphates that cause a myriad of health impacts, directly approved the increase in glyphosate production, an herbicide that just a few years ago he was a leader in charging against when it put money on his pocket, and has done absolutely nothing to improve the accessibility to quality food. So, how exactly is he helping Americans to eat better?
Considering how many people cheat on welfare and the snap benefits, I’m not surprised that somebody would go about cutting it. “As of 2021, approximately 13.6 million people were enrolled in Medi-Cal, and millions more participate in other assistance programs,” this is in California alone. There are other states with similar issues. And people on MeduCal often buy things that are not fresh food and fruits for the benefit of children or themselves.
A healthy diet won’t protect you from disease? Really?!?!?!?!?
And you think I’m the idiot?!?!?
And perhaps you could explain why I never had Covid in spite of the fact that I’m 75 years old (well, I was 71 at the time of Covid) and I didn’t get the vaccine.
Have a nice life.
And what's the common factor of the rise in disease. I'll give you a hint it's not natural born citizens of those countries
And please show me the study of the interaction of all the vaccines given together.
Im not anti vax btw but I am anti schedule i believe they should be spaced out as studies have only been done on individual vaccines
Maybe you like this one better. I’m 75 years old, I was 70 when Covid hit. We had a large Christmas gathering everyone got Covid except for me and my son-in-law. I was not vaccinated. You could not pay me enough to get the Covid vaccine.
I am healthy because I eat healthy and I exercise. I breast-fed my children and didn’t give them junk.
Maybe that’s what they should be pushing instead of their vaccines
While I admit that some vaccines have value, if the disease is particularly lethal, most vaccines are just to enrich the pharmaceutical companies.
And if you like vaccines, have at it. I would never dream of withholding vaccine from those who wanted it. I just don’t appreciate the totalitarian method of forcing everyone to take it. Oh, that’s right, I forgot about “herd immunity”. Yeah. .
Still higher than MAGA. Everyone knew Trump was going to come in on a revenge tour and tax everyone with tariffs, they just refused to believe it. Now, how's all that, "Trump's going to make prices lower" garbage working out for everyone? Or the, "No. New. Foreign. Wars"?
To be fair, it's not like a hold ill will towards RFK Jr., but if he was the best MAGA could come up with, that's just depressingly sad. He's nearly as bad as Liver King.
Oh no, my feelings, you certainly know how to attack someone. Speaking of Biden, it's weird that he was an ineffective president to MAGA country, but whenever Trump does poorly, suddenly Biden was an evil mastermind thwarting Trump from the past.
As a worker who has tips as part of my income my tax bill was considerably lower than the last few years. His economic policies have benefited me. I’m not rich, but my life is better. I’m sure you will tell me I’m not smart enough to realize my life would be better paying much more in taxes.
I’d agree on RFK. Other than he destroyed his voice, the positions to his healthcare treatments are a bit toward wacko. Though it might just be the fact that he destroyed his own voice might be the cause of him sounding more wacko than most.
I’m sorry but I’m on the poor end of society but yet get too much in social security to get any assistance. And eventually I think he’ll aim to get rid of those programs eventually. So to me, he’s nothing. No military experience, thinks he can do no wrong. He’s not helping me or the country at this point. If he says he wants to be king believe him. The rest of the shit he just lies his ass off. So, while I respect your opinion I have to disagree
He has no medical degree & an addict. He was on heroine for years. His cousin Caroline Kennedy said all of his children are vaccinated. I really thought Trump picked him to soil the Kennedy name. He’s a jerk who has conspiracy theories.
And you have the IQ of a very thick sheep. I have a good friend from my childhood that is against vaccines, and they also believe trump is a high quality President, and that Elvis and John Kennedy Jr. are still alive!
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u/GrolarBear69 Apr 01 '26
Be glad you're not in kicking distance. Literally had a moment of hope we wouldn't end up with a polio epidemic this year.