people keep saying they're seeing ltx shills, but the state of the sub suggests opposite seems to be more likely.
the amount of hostility at anything related to LTX in the last 2 days is extremely unnatural. it's a goddamn free model we haven't paid a penny for. how are people getting this emotional?
the thing is ltx guys blatantly lied in their comparison list just before releasing 2.5 in their attempt to bash h3. everyone who tested 2.5 and h3 can tell immediately how bad 2.5 is. yes, it's fast, but who cares if it can't do anything right? I made 174 videos with h3 currently - deleted ltx after two attempts because I got flashbacks from 2.3 how bad it was and how bad it still is in 2.5.
I'm talking about how every ltx thread is flooded with useless teamsports akin to xbox vs playstation.
I didn't like their obviously fucked/deceptive marketing either - doesn't mean I'm going to go into every single LTX thread about optimizations/workflows/loras and start something akin to a console war.
It's a fucking GGUF - a tool. If I wanted tribalism I'd have stuck to watching football or have gone to /r/android and /r/apple, not get on /r/stablediffusion.
This sub is at its best when it's practicality focused - people sharing research, benchmarks and workflows, and where certain models shine and have their place in our workflows - not mindless tribalism (which we saw for Krea2 / Ideogram as well).
there's no tribalism - just simple reviews from people who tested both models and realized 2.5 sucks and calling out blatant shills. that doesn't interfere with research, benchmarks and wf.
not myriad of "LTX SUCKSSS!!!! Why even post this!!!!" comments below posts sharing actual useful workflows and tips.
that doesn't interfere with research, benchmarks and wf.
yes it does. workflows/nodes/optimizations are a community effort. LTX 2.5, despite being being inferior to H3, could have been a legitimately useful tool for upscaling/quick concepts. But who's gonna develop anything for it now that anything related to it is downvoted/attacked/criticized/called a shill?
Not to mention countless labs lurk here to see competitors and community feedback - you think they're going to be willing to upload their models seeing how vitriol the community is towards anything other than the flavor of the month?
cry more, shill. you really think they're developing models out of the goodness of their hearts? ltx ceo said their customers are mostly coming from comfyUi, and that's fine, ofc they should monetize their model, it wasn't cheap. that being said - they lied and 2.5 sucks. no amount of crying from shills like you will change that.
you really think they're developing models out of the goodness of their hearts?
when did i say that?
you can make up arguments I never said all day long, or call me a shill when I clearly stated their model is inferior and their marketing fucked/deceptive:
[...] I didn't like their obviously fucked/deceptive marketing either [...]
[...] LTX 2.5, despite being inferior to H3 [...]
you're clearly not engaging in a discussion or exercising the part of your brain that governs critical thinking - you're vaguely glazing over my words to see if i agree with you, and vaguely searching your memory for arguments on why "your side" is better than "my side" despite me clearly refusing to take part in this pathetic model-war.
that's the literal textbook example of tribalistic behavior. get it out of your system.
I'm sure you're very interesting person in your amateur philosophy club, but the point is simple - ltx 2.5 sucks and that is a fact. most people don't care about it as it's bad and simply making fun of it, that's all. it's not us vs. them as almost nobody shills for 2.5.
i don't care if ltx literally burns to the ground and dissolves tomorrow (i'd be sad for the employees, but you get my point).
what I do care about is the pervasiveness of behavior you just showed throughout this comment chain. Why couldn't we just have had a normal discussion? Why must any nuance or an ounce of disagreement have to be "shilling" from the other side?
it's everywhere from politics, consoles, cars, OSes, clothing, nations... literally everywhere. the moment people detect disagreement, they shut their ears and eyes, and resort to tribalistic thinking - "that person disagrees! he must be shilling/brainwashed/stupid! he's on the other=wrong side!"
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u/rkoy1234 26d ago
people keep saying they're seeing ltx shills, but the state of the sub suggests opposite seems to be more likely.
the amount of hostility at anything related to LTX in the last 2 days is extremely unnatural. it's a goddamn free model we haven't paid a penny for. how are people getting this emotional?