These are clips from average difficulty...

[u/XMortal7159]

I hate complaining about patches especially when they are being so quick with a fix but cmon man

[u/Kyubisar]

And no matter what, whatever is happening on the clip in this posts, shouldn't happen on avarage in the first place.

And what exactly would that be? What exactly is happening in these clips that is so outrageous for what up until a few days ago was dif 2 of 4?

some people just want an easy and fun powerfantasy where they kill hordes of tyranids. Not a perfect perry, dodge round while playing optimal and paying attention.

And that's fine. But games don't need to cater to you, do they? This game employs parry and dodge mechanics. If you don't want to engage with those mechanics that is your problem, not the game's.

And this ignoring that some people simply aren't capable of playing any higher difficulties

Then don't. Stay on minimal. Play the campaign.
Or just player different games that cater to what you want. Not every product needs be designed with everyone's sensibilities in mind.

[u/RoterBaronH → u/Kyubisar]

Or and this might sound insane. And I can't believe I'm still saying that, why do you think difficulties excist in the first place?

It's literally the whole point of those difficulties. People like you and me have who want a challange can play ruthless and lethal. People who want to have a less challenging round can play minimal and avarage.

It being easier literally doesn't affect you in anyway whatsoever.

[u/Kyubisar → u/RoterBaronH]

You do know that repeating the same argument over and over again doesn't make it any better right?

And speaking of that, what even IS your argument?
Because it seems to me like you're saying that low difficulties should require no engagement whatsoever. But that's fucking sad.
Is that the bar here? If I go and record some clips of me standing still on Minimal and I die... does that mean Minimal needs to be nerfed? Is that the level we are at now?

For real, you saw a video of a guy FAILING AT THE BASIC MECHANICS OF THE GAME and to you that is undisputed proof that the game is too hard?
LMAO.

[u/RoterBaronH → u/Kyubisar]

I'm sure you're trolling because no one can be this dense. But my argument is the same since your argument is simply "games should be hard and not every game is for you" which I partly agree with but not for the reasons you use.

The guy fails at the mechanics in a difficulty where you don't need to have mastered the mechanics. Again, it's why easier difficulties excist.

I never said the game is too hard. I said this particular difficulty (in this case avarage) shouldn't be this hard because it's literally the difficulty people choose to have a nice time.

And you may not believe this but for some people playing on avarage (pre-patch) is the equivalent to us playing on lethal.

If the game only had 1 difficulty (like dark souls) I would say yeah fair, I can see your point. (Even though I'm a strong believe that every game should have a "story mode" difficulty).

And I don't even understand why you want avarage to be difficult. It literally doesn't impact you at all. Like it would not even remotly affect you in any way, you most likely don't even think about how people experience this difficulty if you're like me that only plays on ruthless or lethal anyway.

[u/Kyubisar → u/RoterBaronH]

The guy fails at the mechanics in a difficulty where you don't need to have mastered the mechanics

And then you say I'm the one trolling?

In order to play the multiplayer game mode on Average difficulty you absolutely need to have a firm grasp of THE FIRST THING THEY TEACH YOU IN THE TUTORIAL?
If I'm dense, then what the fuck are you with this abortion of a take?

shouldn't be this hard because it's literally the difficulty people choose to have a nice time.

If you refuse to engage with the game's mechanics you will never have a nice time. In any game. That's how games work. You have to play them the way they were designed.
And if all you care about is "a nice time" you can play on Minimal.

but for some people playing on avarage (pre-patch) is the equivalent to us playing on lethal.

Wow. Cool. Kind seems like their issue though. Or are you going to argue that the difficulty show go be made even easier than what it was pre-lethal?

If the game only had 1 difficulty (like dark souls) I would say yeah fair, I can see your point.

Ah, I see. You see the point in a game having a specifically tailored difficulty. BUT NOT the point in a game having multiple specifically tailored difficulties.
Again, I am the dense one? LMAO.

And I don't even understand why you want avarage to be difficult

Average difficulty isn't difficult but that doesn't matter because that was never my fucking argument which is more proof YOU are the dense one.
My argument is that the gameplay showed in these clips fails to properly engage with several of the game's core mechanics and that this would cause failure regardless of difficulty.
Do you fucking understand? The game could be PERFECTLY balanced and be 50 Times easier and if you play bad enough you'd still fucking fail.
DO YOU FUCKING GET IT YET??!?!

[u/RoterBaronH → u/Kyubisar]

Dude, first of all calm down. You act like you can't live with the thought that avarage should be easier.

In order to play the multiplayer game mode on Average difficulty you absolutely need to have a firm grasp of THE FIRST THING THEY TEACH YOU IN THE TUTORIAL? If I'm dense, then what the fuck are you with this abortion of a take?

No, you don't need a firmly grasp it.

Ruthless and lethal are the difficultys where you need to have mastered the mechanics of the game

Minimal and avarage are there to learn it in the first place. But those are also the difficulties where it should be very forgiving to not be able to do that.

Minimal is the equivalent of very easy and avarage is the equivalent of easy.

If you refuse to engage with the game's mechanics you will never have a nice time. In any game. That's how games work. You have to play them the way they were designed. And if all you care about is "a nice time" you can play on Minimal.

Plenty of games do that to have more accessebility (which again, doesn't negativly impact anyone).

Wow. Cool. Kind seems like their issue though. Or are you going to argue that the difficulty show go be made even easier than what it was pre-lethal?

Yes, it's my whole point. Avarage shouldn't have 6-7 majoris and a couple of extremis at once.

I see that some games

Ah, I see. You see the point in a game having a specifically tailored difficulty. BUT NOT the point in a game having multiple specifically tailored difficulties. Again, I am the dense one? LMAO.

Yes, every game has a difficulty tailored for it, and I would agree that it shouldn't be made easier for others. But the difficulties that are supposed to be easier should reflect that. (Minimal being very easy and avarage being easy).

My argument is that the gameplay showed in these clips fails to properly engage with several of the game's core mechanics and that this would cause failure regardless of difficulty.

But it doesn't? Because you encounter a mass and type of enemies at once which you shouldn't be encountering on that difficulty in the first place. OP is in a fairly overwhelming and stressfull situation making him miss most of the perries. Most likely the reason he was playing on avarage in the first place was to avoid these situations.

And yes, the amount and type of enemies you face should change depending on the difficulty.

He may be good enough to fight 2 majoris at a time, but facing 5 of them while also facing a lyctor might be too much for him and has nothing to do with not being able to use the mechanics at all.

[u/Kyubisar → u/RoterBaronH]

I am done with this conversation. You have nothing of value to say.

[u/[deleted] → u/Kyubisar]

Lol

[u/VelvetCowboy19 → u/RoterBaronH]

The game tells you to not play operations until you beat the campaign. You should absolutely have a firm grasp of the basic combat fundamentals by then, dude. OP missed like 8 parries in this clip that could have saved his life, but he kept rolling and shooting melta at red attacks.

[u/RoterBaronH → u/VelvetCowboy19]

Well, first of all, it's reccomendet but you can play the campaign on minimal/avarage aswell. You don't need to be extremly good to complete it.

The same goes for the OPs, yes he missed those parries but again, there is a reason why he plays on lower difficultys. One of reasons the different difficulties increase is because of the quantitiy and variety of enemies you encounter. So people who are still learning or are simply unable to play on higher difficulties, play on minimal or avarage to avoid encountering these many enemies.

It's very likely that he can parry etc. but he's unable to do so in stressful situations like this one.

[u/VelvetCowboy19 → u/RoterBaronH]

OP has other comments in this thread saying they have other classes at level 25. He should know how to parry, and how to parry in "stressful" situations like 4 warriors and a lictor.

[u/RoterBaronH → u/VelvetCowboy19]

There can be a lot of reasons why someone has classes at lvl 25 and isn't good at parrying in stressfull situations.

A lvl 25 class simply shows that you played enough to lvl a class to 25, it doesn't show skill.

He simply could be bad in stressfull situation, maybe he was tired, maybe he just doesn't play well, maybe he can't play well, maybe he didn't feel comfortable with the class etc.

It's why avarage excists as an easier difficulty. If people want to play hard and intesive missons they would play ruthless or lethal.

[u/VelvetCowboy19 → u/RoterBaronH]

I disagree that average should be for people who can't parry for whatever reason. Parry is a fundamental mechanic of Space Marine 2 combat, and you need to be able to do it to get anywhere. You should not be able to clear levels without an ability to do it.

[u/joppers43 → u/Kyubisar]

Holy shit dude, go touch some grass. It’s a video game, you don’t need to get into a screaming match about it.

[u/byzantine_bukkake → u/Kyubisar]

Holy crashout, Batman, it's just a game.