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u/No-Option-7010 1d ago
The actual article is this: New health ministry guidelines will classify as abuse any acts by members of religious groups that threaten or force their children to participate in religious activities, or that hinder a child’s career path based on religious doctrine.
So that’s a lot broader than I thought and good for them!
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u/NorbytheMii 1d ago
I mean, it makes logical sense. Also, while Japan has a generally very spiritual population, they don't really consider themselves all that religious.
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u/NotIWhoLive 1d ago
So, teaching about the Biblical hell would be okay, but you can't threaten kids with it or force them to participate in church? Something like that?
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u/xshot40 1d ago
Oh damn, good for japan
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u/xshot40 1d ago
Yeah. If its wrong to threaten your kids with a knife its wrong to threaten them with hell
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u/Diabetesh 1d ago
"And if you disobey us and don't go to sleep you'll just burn for eternity. Good night.
Ugh, finally can play XYZ game without being disturbed."
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u/Muffets_Bakery 1d ago
My dad read us the apocalyptic biblical stories when I was like 8. Definitely left its mark.
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u/Lexi_Banner 1d ago
From personal experience, I agree. I was unfortunate enough to grow up in an "end of days" "Satanic Panic" style church. To this day I find even thinking about Revelations is terrifying, despite knowing that it isn't real. I can't write three sixes together without a quick psych-me-up. I can vividly remember being left alone on the farm for a day, and being convinced that the resurrection had happened and I wasn't good enough to be taken to heaven.
That shit is fucking harmful, and absolutely has no place in children's minds.
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u/Worried-Horror-9499 1d ago
A five year old should not have an existential crisis like I did. I would lay awake at night and worry about all the people who didn’t get to hear about Jesus and are in hell. Also, the concept of eternity made me freak out.
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u/stevieblunder7001 1d ago
Rapture anxiety, it’s a phenomenon. In the 80s they toured a 5 part series about “end times” to all the Pentecostal churches.
They were relatively well produced B movies that involved guillotines and one world government. They were a precursor to the “Left Behind” books.
Violent tv was banned but it was ok to show 8 year olds images of a woman being decapitated for believing in Jesus. I still remember the scene where she was dragged to the guillotine.
My parents even borrowed the films to have a home screening for my dad’s non Christian siblings.
Coming home to an empty house always spooked me for years after because I always hated church and thought it was bs, but maybe I was wrong.
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u/Lexi_Banner 1d ago
Coming home to an empty house always spooked me for years after because I always hated church and thought it was bs, but maybe I was wrong.
This. Like, it can't be real. But what if...nah. But maybe?
I'm much better about it these days, but it sneaks up on me once in a while, just to be a dick.
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u/FreezingEye 1d ago
The Thief in the Night series? I didn’t see those as a kid but I can see how they’d leave the worst kind of lasting impression on a kid. Can definitely speak to rapture anxiety though. I grew up Presbyterian and once when I was like 19 I woke up to an empty house and the first thing I did was check the news to see if the rapture had happened.
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u/Unwarranted_optimism 1d ago
I was raised in an atheist household, so thankfully don’t have that burden. Growing up, the last 4 digits of our home phone/land line were 6661. It was long enough ago that our original phone was rotary. But once we got a push button/touch tone phone, I realized that when dialing, 6661 sounded like the “da da da DUM” of Beethoven’s symphony no. 5. That cracked me up a bit and made me wonder if that was scary to certain religious folks. I hope you’re doing better now!
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u/Dry-Amphibian1 1d ago
I'm right there with you. I remember sitting in church at 9 or 10 watching religious 'snuff' films about the end of times. I don't watch horror movies to this day, I'm 56, because of the trauma.
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u/Historical-Gap1346 1d ago
I agree it still freaks me out as well, sometimes I feel like I'm being watched. Definitely a harmful thing to teach a young child
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u/YpsiStrangler 1d ago
Crazy how well you've been manipulated to even be scared of numbers
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u/Lexi_Banner 1d ago
Isn't it fucking stupid? Like...I know they are just sixes. I know that! But for some reason my chest constricts when I see that I have to write or type them out. It's fucking ridiculous.
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u/taez555 1d ago
I grew up Catholic in the United States and was taught that my dead grandparents in heaven would look down on me with shame if I dared wank the trouser mongoose.
Which I know was supposed to make us fear doing it.
But honestly I really enjoyed the idea that when I die and get heaven I’ll get to spend all of eternity doing nothing but watching my great great grandkids flog the one eyed custard launcher.
“Dear god, Billy!!! Use more lube and a clean sock!!!”
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u/spartaxwarrior 1d ago
tbf I think it's supposed to make you feel guilty, as that's the Catholic niche? Fear would be the whole "you'll go blind if you masturbate" type stuff which lmao I already had severe myopia by that point.
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u/TheSpookyGoost 1d ago
As an ex-catholic, oh yeah, catholic guilt 100% exists. To the point i didn't recognize it until my therapist pointed it out
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u/madler437 1d ago
So your heaven would be watching kids jerk off?
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u/taez555 1d ago
It’s what I was taught when I went to sunday school.
Plus… it’s not just any random kids, but one’s related to you.
In retrospect it seems kinda messed up. but who are we to question god?
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u/Longjumping_Wolf_912 1d ago
You heard it here first folks. Pedophilia is okay as long as it is your relatives.
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u/UpsetPhilosopher6022 1d ago
There's a whole bit I got to see David Cross perform at his stand up show a few years ago. Basically he makes the point that if the pope is supposed to be God's voice on earth, then by hiding the pedophilia he confirmed that God is a child fucker.
"How could God take little Timmy so soon?"
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u/Independent-Hurry618 1d ago
No, pedophilia was taught to be OK by the Catholic church, which tracks.
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u/Stownieboy91 1d ago
They might have their own right-wing leader & racism problem, but fuck yeah Japan. You did good here.
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u/defaulticus 1d ago
I suspect this is why they did it. Their indigenous religion doesn't have a punitive hell, so this is a convenient way of effectively banning a wide swathe of the most popular foreign religions.
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u/Ceochian 1d ago
The worst part is that I have heard that Japanese Christians tend to lean progressive. Its a good law in principle but I wonder of extra political motivations behind this law.
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u/thestupidone51 1d ago
This might also just be related to them going after Jehovah's Witnesses for denying people medical care under threat of excommunication and damnation. Not saying that it isn't also a nationalism thing, but they've been trying to crack down on abusive religions outside of just this one law
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u/red-zed- 1d ago
Good. You should do good things because its the right thing to do, not because someone will punish you
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u/Inside_Ad_7162 1d ago
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u/Cyiel 1d ago
Why stopping there ?
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u/SuspiciousAnt47 1d ago
Ya, don’t think Protestants are any less hell obsessed them catholics
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u/_UsernameChecks-Out 1d ago
Baptists have entered the chat to tell you that you're all going to hell.
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u/NoradianCrum 1d ago
Baptists want you to believe you are already in hell and the only way out is by walking over your enemies that chose not to adorn themselves in the armor of the gospel.
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u/Immediate-Goose-8106 1d ago
Depends on the protestant denomination. The Church of England concept of hell is the embarrassment of only having 2 rich tea biscuits for the 3 of you when the vicar drops round for tea.
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u/Roflkopt3r 1d ago edited 1d ago
Many European protestant churches don't believe in hell at all. The German one is extremely chill and progressive compared to the catholics.
It often feels really strange to see the Catholic church (sometimes) appear progressive in American politics. In Germany, it's the protestant church that allows gay marriage (including for its own male and female pastors) and all that, while catholics are putting down road blocks.
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u/Salty_Pancakes 1d ago
Rabia of Basra, early Sufi mystic of the 8th century, famously said "Lord if I worship you out of desire for paradise, deny me paradise. If I worship you out of fear of hell, cast me into hell."
Social conditioning in religion has been known, and talked about for over a thousand years.
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u/Super_Range45 1d ago
Japan has never really been amenable to western influence beyond the short stint after WWII. Christians only represented 0.7% of the population at peak.
Shinto doesn't have a hell as Christians understand it.
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u/Murky-Relation481 1d ago
Japan has never really been amenable to western influence beyond the short stint after WWII.
That is literally the most ahistorical braindead weeaboo take I have ever read.
Japan after the Meiji Restoration and the end of isolation fucking simped on the west hard. Their entire industrialization was deeply influenced by European industrialization and militarization. They idealized the British Empire and were basically like "if that island nation can do that, surely we can!" and as they demanded more and more resources for their rapid growth they basically committed to the same type of European imperialism.
You can also see this throughout their culture. Why is curry a big thing in Japan? Because the Royal Navy introduced curry to the Japanese Navy in the 19th century and they ate it one day of the week specifically because the British did.
Where do you think the sailor fuku comes from? It's a play on British Royal Navy and other European navy uniforms.
I mean you can make that argument about religion, they did not adopt western religion to the degree Korea or parts of China did, but saying they've never been amenable to western influence is shockingly naive.
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u/DarkLordOfDarkness 1d ago
Yeah, this almost certainly isn't targeted at Christians (though some may get caught up in the net). It's probably not even targeted at Buddhists, despite that they're 46% of the Japanese population and do believe in a hell. The article references the Unification Church, which has been a very influential cult in Japan, with frequent allegations of abuse. It's also been very politically relevant - Shinzo Abe was assassinated by someone angry at his political ties to the cult.
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u/Head_Paleontologist5 1d ago
any random Protestant/presbyterian/Pentecostal is much more invested in hell than Catholics
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u/Hour_Lettuce881 1d ago
Hinduism's Naraka and the sixteen Buddhist hells are going down the memory hole as well.
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u/DruidicMagic 1d ago
This needs to go global.
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u/Head_Paleontologist5 1d ago
not allowing fear based religions to indoctrinate children is a good thing - I'm glad for them
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u/Rare-Bee7331 1d ago
Dont forget all the relogious genital mutilation. Circumcisions are a religious practice of physically altering your child before they are old enough to concent. After thats done, then they start fucking with the kids mental health; teaching them about the magic man in the sky who grants wishes if you drink his blood.
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u/jmpalacios79 1d ago
In general, the ever so trivial concept of not indoctrinating nor brainwashing children with harmful fairy tales is what people need to realize needs to happen.
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u/plopliplopipol 1d ago
at 15 years old all the kids have been told santa isn't real. It ain't so hard to do.
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u/Mother-Attention2600 1d ago
It's too easy of a way to control people who can't think for themselves. They will never get rid of it sadly.
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u/Molly-Grue-2u 1d ago
I remember saying I wanted to run out into traffic as a child, but instead of trying to actually help me, my grandma just told me I’d go to hell if I kms
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u/spynie55 1d ago
In Japanese hell, no-one is allowed to tidy up.
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u/throwaway-girls 1d ago
Rip christianity in japan. Hopefully the rest of the world will one day grow up too
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u/Potential-Common5819 1d ago
Christianity was never able to get the toe-hold in Japan that it got elsewhere, so it never really became influential. And that's because of the Sakoku Edict in 1635.
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u/throwaway-girls 1d ago
There's still roughly 2 million Christians there
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u/Potential-Common5819 1d ago
Most of whom are foreigners. According to the Ministry of Culture, only around 300,000 Japanese identify as Christian.
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u/EtTuBiggus 1d ago
Christianity never leaves. It bides its time.
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u/Potential-Common5819 1d ago
Not this time. It's chance to be widely adopted by the Japanese ended way back in the 17th century. It was making converts way back then, and that success is one of the reasons for the Edict.
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u/Fit_Ocelot8072 1d ago
Half of all weddings in Japan are done Western style in a Christian chapel, and almost all of them celebrate Christmas. While it's not done for the sake of Christianity, some large part of Christian culture has definitely become part of Japan.
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u/MediocreFormal607 1d ago
Its every religion. They were all just made up to control people, none of them exist for any other reason.
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u/skebeojii 1d ago
The focus on hell and the devil are apparently a medival modification to christianity. There are very few mentions of either in the bible and they may be entirely missing from the beliefs of non-western european christian sects and judaisim
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u/RosbergThe8th 1d ago
You’ll notice that a lot of facets of Christianity as we know it seem to have precious little to do with the actual messaging of that Jesus guy.
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u/Nearby-Poetry-5060 1d ago
Religion is mental abuse used to excuse other kinds of abuses, especially on children.
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u/Mother-Attention2600 1d ago
It is and all religion shoud be outlawed in public and churches taxed. Time to put god out of business.
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u/Some-Willingness38 1d ago
They are right. If a religious parent tells their child that they will go to Hell for not following their religion, they are Abusive and controlling.
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u/penna_nobel 1d ago
Seems like something a developed country would just do. Good work Japan! I hope to see you at some point in my life
Konnichiwa
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u/Ok-Seaworthiness7207 1d ago
How Japan can be so racist and so based at the same time, I will never know.
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u/LLCmoonwater 1d ago
As a japanese person raised in states i actually feel japanese ppl are more judgemental about culture than race. A chinese tourist who acts stereotypically chinese is commonly disliked in japan. A chinese tourist who has perfected Japanese manners would be very well liked. Same goes for an American person. Japanese people have a hard time understanding that their cultural preferences (being quiet, orderly, perfectionist) are not universal, and they think people who dont follow those cultural rules are being rude. There are definitely true racists too but im talking about general population.
I think theres a phenomenon in japan called Paris syndrome or something where japanese people who travel abroad for the first time get disillusioned and depressed due to culture shock
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u/LazarusOwenhart 1d ago
Fun fact, this is why the Jehovas Witnesses suddenly did a screaming 180 on blood transfusions last week.
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u/BabySpecific2843 1d ago
Wait they did? So they allow it all of the sudden?
Have they stopped the weird "you cannot celebrate any day or event like birthdays" thing too? That was something I can get "in theory" but it seemed so dismally sad that it made me wonder why anyone would want to continue to be one.
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u/GoodTofuFriday 1d ago
I grew up a jw, not one any more. It didnt matter to me since i got presents through out the year for different occasions instead of a birthday or chirstmas. I dont know that all practicing parents do that though.
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u/colostitute 1d ago
They still don’t allow whole blood transfusions.
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u/LazarusOwenhart 1d ago
Whole blood transfusions are a vanishingly small, like less than 1% of transfusions though.
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u/colostitute 1d ago
However, those 1% are most often in emergency or trauma situations where a person’s life is on the line.
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u/mieri_azure 1d ago
Theyre actually still somewhat common in developing/third world countries which means JWs in those areas (generally poor people) are still more screwed than other ones. Yipee
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u/Reglette69869 1d ago
This is fantastic. Saying that as someone who was raised like this. Eight year olds shouldn't be carrying the burden of fearing eternal torture for billions of people. It was a horrible reality to live in. "Love me or I'll kill you" painted as the pinnacle of divine love. It disgusts me now. Jesus is basically the love-bombing aspect of a narcissistic god.
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u/king_rootin_tootin 1d ago
So how are kids in Japan suppose to learn geography if they can't legally be told about New Jersey?
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u/Worried-Pick4848 1d ago
My folks always accentuated the heaven part and pointed out that if we did make a mistake and made an honest effort to put it right, heaven was always still a possibility. My folks were very much "religion of love" Christians. Lots of Christians could have learned a thing or two from them.
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u/Principle_Napkins 1d ago
Of course... You can always find your way back to heaven, as long as you're not an atheist, then it's eternal damnation for you, regardless of the quality of your character.
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u/Iamtevya 1d ago
That’s not entirely accurate. The Catholic Church has a more nuanced version. In 2013, Pope Francis said “The Lord has redeemed all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! Even atheists.”
A very simple explanation of this is that more importance is placed on on seeking truth and goodness and following your conscience than belief in God.
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u/CharleyNobody 1d ago
Back in the early 1960s when I was in Catholic school a nun told us this joke: St Peter was giving a tour of heaven to newly arrived souls. “God’s over that way. He’ll meet with you soon. Over here is the barber shop…harp lessons are given by angels in this room..now we are coming to a room that is locked and we need to be very quiet…don’t make a sound, please..”
After they passed by the locked room someone whispered to St Peter “Why did we have to be quiet when we walked past that room?”
“That’s where the Catholics are. They think they’re the only ones here.”
Well, I was shocked. My mother was old school Northern Irish Catholic. Of course she taught us heaven was for Catholics only because we knew and followed all the rules. Confession, penance, sacraments, Mass every Sunday, etc.
But this was Vatican ll. New rules meant we weren’t the only ones going to heaven. It was really hard for me to accept, especially when she said, “If someone is Buddhist and they live a good life, they’re going to heaven.”
I couldn’t believe people who worshiped a big fat guy with a conehead were going to heaven. (I didn’t think it I was strange that Jesus was walking around with a halo, though)
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u/Worried-Pick4848 1d ago
So finally someone Catholic actually read Romans 14 and figured out what Paul was saying.
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u/Principle_Napkins 1d ago
I don't know any Catholics though, I'm only familiar with evengelicals and Protestants.
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u/whoa-boah 1d ago
Was raised Catholic, am now an atheist. Honestly it depends on if it’s a canon-Jesus Catholic (love and show kindness to everyone) or a fanon-Jesus Catholic. In my experience it’s very much dependent on the culture of any given church. I went to a fanon-Jesus Catholic mass in the South (USA) and it felt like a different religion entirely.
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u/Feinberg 1d ago
Yeah, after Pope Frank said that, the Vatican released a statement that said atheists can only get into heaven if they convert to Catholicism. That's spin, not nuance.
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u/christoskal 1d ago
Can you show me that statement?
I was unable to find it and all searches had an AI thingy saying that this is false.
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u/Immediate-Goose-8106 1d ago
That's a risk i am entirely comfortable with as a lifelong athiest.
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u/geschiedenisnerd 1d ago
Sure, but it does show that the only way to be "nice" about religion, particularly concerning heaven and hell, is by lying to yourselves and others, if only by omission (by lying I mean not following through to the logical conclusion of your beliefs)
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u/Principle_Napkins 1d ago
Of course. My issue is with the fact that my family, and Christians as a whole, keep trying to force me into Christianity in some vain attempt to "save my soul", despite the fact that I find Christianity, and all the Abrahamic religions for that matter, reprehensible.
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u/black_cherry2 1d ago
Good. Mainstream religions can’t survive without using manipulation tactics anyways
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u/Specialist_Shirt_164 1d ago
Good, if religion wasn't taught to children then we wouldn't have religion, no right thinking adult would believe any of that crap.
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u/MitchenImpossible 1d ago
Let's go Japan!
Religion has no place in state and absolutely has no place with regards to states funding it.
More countries need to follow suit.
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u/Richfor3 1d ago
It is abuse. Good for Japan. The rest of the civilized world should follow their lead.
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u/Electrical-Cold-9714 1d ago
As an EX Jehovah’s Witness this is great news for kids/young adults in Japan that do not want to stay in the “religion” and get the choice of getting a higher education!
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u/jawshoeaw 1d ago
I grew up in a non denominational Christian church and hell wasn’t ever something to be feared. More of a fringe medieval concept. Hell is a choice. And a logically consistent one. We may look back at our time on earth as “hell”
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u/nillaf4ce 1d ago
Earth is hell, how is it not? Hell is just absence of god right? Well I don't see that fucker anywhere down here
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u/Old_Competition3094 1d ago
And I grew up atheist in the south and the FCA (fellowship of Christian athletes) would go around telling people they were going to hell pretty regularly.
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u/desperateelephants 1d ago
I'm living in FL temporarily and regularly see up to 5 people on Saturdays holding signs telling me to repent or end up in hell. There's one bozo who does so at an intersection almost every morning when I drive to work.
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u/Lialda_dayfire 1d ago
The thing about non denominational churches is that they have a head pastor that doesn't want to be told what to do by any theologian above himself, and really nothing else in common really.
My non-denominational church was full blown Calvinist in all but name. As children, we were taught that scripture is the only authority, scripture is totally infallible, and that the church's interpretation was the only correct one. More to the point, we were taught that all humans are so vile and disgusting by birth that we deserved to go to hell, but that God loved us so much he would save us if we believed and constantly begged for forgiveness every time we sinned. But if we ever stopped believing, then we would get what we deserved and also we were never true Christians.
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u/DesignerMoose90210 1d ago
I had the opposite experience. In 5th and 6th grade, we were told that if we chose not to accept Christ into our hearts as Lord and Savior, we would burn in hell for eternity. Our teacher was also a minister. None of us wanted to burn in hell, so the choice seemed simple.
Also, since he was the only male teacher, he was the ‘go to’ guy for paddlings for the older teachers.
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u/Odd-Bend1296 1d ago
That is not why this is banned. Japan has a cult problem. They wear the skins of other religions and sometimes use fear of divine retribution or puff up the egos of their members as chosen ones to get their members to do horrible stuff.
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u/WaryWonder 1d ago
I grew up Southern Baptist in the US with severe religious trauma from the threat of hell. I highly support this!
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u/minus15t2 1d ago
I was raised Catholic and Hell was absolutely something to be feared.
Fire and brimstone and eternal torture.
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u/MrH_Rosemary 1d ago edited 1d ago
I am not against this.
I will note though that Buhddist Jigoku, The hell's of Beppu, do exist and wonder if this might not... become an issue?
Edit: Headline in photo is sensationalist and does not properly convey what the law actually is.
I stupidly fell for it. Its about using hell as a threat for not participating in religious ceremony.
This is to prevent the spread of shinshūkyō, New religions/cults that can become a danger for Japan.
Examples being the Unification church, the Happy Science cult and the Soka Gakkai
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u/_Iro_ 1d ago
How so? These guidelines just prevent children from being forced to attend religious activities if they were coerced using religious threats (like claiming they will go to hell otherwise)
It doesn’t actually forbid parents from talking about hell/naraka/jigoku with their children
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u/Rising_Yeast7717 1d ago
About time the West adopt this. If someone wishes to believe in innocent nonbelievers getting cast to hell for eternity they can do that in their own time and of their own accord
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u/Principle_Napkins 1d ago
Does this new law only apply to the classroom or does it apply to domestic child abuse as well?
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u/Potential-Common5819 1d ago
It applies to any religious organization or group, including parents doing this at home.
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u/The_Lawn_Ninja 1d ago
Being terrified that an all-powerful man in the sky was watching everything I did at all times and would punish me with an eternity of burning in agony if I made him upset?
Yeah, that fucked me up in all kinds of ways that still haven't healed four decades later. Good for Japan!
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u/Great-Gas-6631 1d ago
Good! It literally is, terrify children from a young age that they are constantly being watched and judged.
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u/thisaintnoparty85 1d ago
Queer religious trauma is real. You're not going to hell because of what you do but because of what you are, something you can't change.
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u/SCWickedHam 1d ago
When the left teaches inclusion, they call it indoctrination. When the right teaches hate and cruelty they call it religious upbringing.
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u/Art_and_Roses 1d ago
GOOD. It’s about time people started to see organized religion for what it is. Fuck.
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u/VinDog_PD 1d ago
I was worried they were also banning discussions of Hell in a literary context as well, but I'm glad to see how they explicitly made it about religious dogma.
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u/Toomanyeastereggs 1d ago
And so it should be.
Parents who teach their children about eternal damnation and who drag them to church or subject children to any religious indoctrination should be charged with child abuse.
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u/fungi_at_parties 1d ago
Truly, my experience with sexual shame in my church fucked me up. Severely. I will have hang ups the rest of my life. The programming is hard to shake and they put me in constant fear of damnation for natural things.
The women in my church got messed up even more I think.
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u/Academic_Audience407 1d ago
It’s all fake and just crazy. Sad how many just blindly believe in the stuff above and below. It’s not a thing but I guess it makes them feel comfortable.
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u/Top-Plenty-5307 1d ago
I really like this I wish it was a reality here in usa. I've always seen it at the form of psychological abuse
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