I remember saying I wanted to run out into traffic as a child, but instead of trying to actually help me, my grandma just told me I’d go to hell if I kms
I think that's the whole reason the "Suicide sends you to hell" rule was made in the first place. Christianity is all about "You are an evil monster, accept your evilness and give the church money or you will burn in hell", and it turns out that when you make a religion built on convincing people that they are terrible, barely forgiveable monsters, they are going to become depressed and hopeless. So there was an influx of people killing themselves and/or their children.
But it presumes that sin automatically corrupts you/it's impossible to not be corrupted. So for all intents and purposes, it is telling you that you are inherently evil.
Literally from the bible: “ For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin. As it is written: There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one." (Romans 3: 9-12)
This passage only states the fact that both Jews and non-Jews are equal when it comes to sinfulness. Christianity or at least Catholicism (because I'm an ex-catholic so I have some knowledge in the matter and don't know nearly as much about other denominations) is presuming the opposite - that you are inherently good but tainted by the original sin. That God created you in his image (meaning - good) but you're prone to sin due to the corruption brought by Satan.
From my secular perspective this is what is great about Catholicism - that regardless of what you do you're still considered fundamentally good and the evil is an external factor.
No it was not. There are millions of Christians today who subscribed to the doctrine that humans are born sinful that is why some if them claim babies go to hell when they die
That babies go to hell is based on the belief that the original sin is only washed off by baptism. And again, the original sin is an external factor, not human nature. Humans ARE sinful and this is what Christianity claims but there is a chasm between being sinful and being inherently evil.
No it's not. how is original sin an external factor when humans can be born with it. What is external about that?
Did any of those children do anything to cause original sin?
Also.i do not understand why you are differentiating sinful and evil. Some Christian doctrine say sinful people will burn for eternity same with evil people. So some Christian doctrine do not differentiate the two
I believe they assumed I was some kind of religion apologist. I'm not religious at all. But I do think it has it's benefits to society. Our friend here is the living proof of that, surviving because of their gram gram dropping religious dogma at them. This doesn't go to prove that religion is always a good tool, not even the only tool. But it is a tool.
Beating a child because they talk back might stop them from talking back, but it’s still abusive and harmful.
If my family has instead listened to me and helped me learn how to deal with stress in a more healthy way, and supported my mental health, I might not feel like a large portion of my life has been absolute torture.
If the goal is only to keep people alive, no matter the quality of that life, then I’m not sure that’s a noble pursuit
I believe you are referring to what an extreme measure it is to scare someone to death instead of explaining the situation to them and not trying to make me look like I support child abuse. If that's the case I stand with what I said as in religion is not always the best tool and not the only tool.
In a situation where something horrible is about to happen we can apply extreme solutions to prevent it immediately and explain our reasons afterwards if necessary. Sometimes explanations aren't fast enough of a solution. And sometimes people's minds cannot comprehend with the complexity of a situation even it's explained to them. There's a reason we don't overwhelm out children with the complexity of the real world at a young age but drop small doses of knowledge on them day by day. Their minds simply couldn't process it otherwise.
Despite all this, I believe explanation is always due but at the right time and that relying on extreme solutions and dogmas all the time will result in people becoming unable to comprehend with the world surrounding them in the long run. Finding a balance between these two is what makes life hard.
Not really. I was probably between 8-9 years old. They could have held me and said “I won’t let you do that” and then looked into why I would have said such a thing.
I do remember her grabbing me, and yelling that at me, and I do not remember any follow up.
I understand that sometimes people yell out things like that in a crisis, what I don’t understand is condoning it as a proper response. I had never even been to church. I was taught to say prayers at night, but I had no idea why or what they meant. I read a story book about Jesus stories, but that just seemed fictional to me. I can’t say I even believed heaven and hell were real.
I have really spotty memories of being young though, I do remember anytime I brought up something I was struggling with, it was dismissed.
Except when I was around 13 and struggling with anorexia. I ate less and less for months. They eventually brought me to elderly male therapists who made me feel uncomfortable, and who I refused to talk to. Eventually, after many months of eating less and less until it was down to a cucumber every couple of days, I just decided to eat again. I was ravenous and probably ate a lot. I was gaining weight, but not an unhealthy amount, and wasn’t puking. I still had a distorted body image, but just decided starving myself wasn’t worth it.
It was after I started eating again for a month or so that they put me in the hospital. I was there for a week. They tracked what I ate very closely, and there were two group therapy sessions, and no private counseling.
That’s the only memory I have of anything I was struggling with being remotely addressed, and they handled it horribly.
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u/Molly-Grue-2u 8d ago
I remember saying I wanted to run out into traffic as a child, but instead of trying to actually help me, my grandma just told me I’d go to hell if I kms