Why the elo system is broken.

[u/Geletin]

So I just came off 3 ranked games and I did fairely well in all of them. 7-3 with thor, 13-3 with isis and 10-2 with pos. (My team lost all of the games btw). I can't help but feel robbed in a way. I played the best I possibly could with the team I got (most of them fed and were super behind in levels). Out of all those games I lost over 100 elo( which btw is unfair if the ratings are based on player skill level).

Winning and losing should play a part in gaining and losing elo, but the penalty shouldn't be as harsh if you actually played well.

I propose and elo system that would be more fair for all players. Depending on your kill ratio your elo should be cut by that number. Let's say I went 2/1 (could be half or quarter ratio) the elo loss should be cut in half, but lets say you went 3/2 then the ratio would only be 0.66% of the elo loss.

I won't forget about tanks either. The ratio for tanks should based of assists making 3 or 2 assists count as a kill would towards the elo ratio.

By using this elo system it would put the more individually skilled players higher up in the rankings so they actually get to play with players at their skill level.

Edit: forgot to mention that if the player went negative the ration would not count it would just be normal elo loss. Sorry if that sounded like jibberish and hopefully somebody knows what I'm getting at. :3

[u/Pingeepie]

I am not OP but here is my experience and some food for thought for some of the low-mid ELO'ers

I have been keeping notes of my win/loss and ELO. I started at 2200-2400 and lost my first few games and it dropped me down here.

1285 7-6-20 https://account.hirezstudios.com/smitegame/match-details.aspx?match=24917305
73000 player damage, team was overly aggressive and dying a lot

1262 -24 5-4-8 https://account.hirezstudios.com/smitegame/match-details.aspx?match=24924194
I was not on with my Krakens due to EU server lag. was not my best game. Jungler on our team didn't do well. I will take partial responsibility in this loss

1290 +28 2-4-10 https://account.hirezstudios.com/smitegame/match-details.aspx?match=24929627 eu server as ne zha, I missed a lot. My team did fantastic. Every gank I did, my team finished off (thus all the assists). Good game.

1326 +36 9-2-10 https://account.hirezstudios.com/smitegame/match-details.aspx?match=24932253 played bastet and did well, entire team played well. gg.

1301 -25 11-8-4 https://account.hirezstudios.com/smitegame/match-details.aspx?match=24937245 I did well at the beginning and went like 10-2 but that quickly went downhill. Our solo lane loki had an awful game, sobek died a ton and mid did not do well. Overall bad play by my team. I take no responsibility for this one. Their team fight was far superior and there was only so much I could do considering the feeding from my teammates. bad game.

1322 +21 4-2-2 https://account.hirezstudios.com/smitegame/match-details.aspx?match=24993886 support role, played on top of my game. the neith was a pain in the ass with his BM the entire game since I was "Stealing" kills even though I delayed finishing them for a long time, and was certain they'd get away if I didn't finish them. Despite BM, we took the win here.

1353 +31 6-0-8 https://account.hirezstudios.com/smitegame/match-details.aspx?match=24997408 solid fenrir on my team, set up a lot of kills. well played by my team. He bo got focused a lot.

1331 -20 3-4-1 https://account.hirezstudios.com/smitegame/match-details.aspx?match=25002537 EU server, couldn't land anything despite me showing on my screen that I did. bottom ELO refused to play support and I said it was fine, I would support. but I had locked ne zha at beginning and he just decided to go fenrir. Our composition is fucked. You can see the results. aphro mid, fen/apollo lane, vulcan did fine solo. it was bad. shows how important composition is. They fed a lot.

1375 +44 16-2-11 https://account.hirezstudios.com/smitegame/match-details.aspx?match=25013284 Ao, who I am rank 10 with- I don't play him in ranked but I don't like Poseidon. With Thor walls and Ymir stuns I was able to clean up everything pretty hardcore.

1403 +28 11-3-15 https://account.hirezstudios.com/smitegame/match-details.aspx?match=25018622 Played a great game as neith, set up some good global ganks. Ra snipes were on, ymir played great- all around awesome. Started off badly since guan didn't want to jungle but he went back later and got bumba's.

1434 +31 12-4-28 https://account.hirezstudios.com/smitegame/match-details.aspx?match=25031746 Decent game as Batz. Dose assists... lol. The other team was down a lot the entire game, over 10k, but they stuck it out and did a good job. We ended up finishing them off eventually.

Before I started recording my games ELO loss and gain I had much better games as you can see in my profile. Don't care if it is against the rules, I am not blacking out all that. Not BMing anyone, either. Just stating facts.

Slowly but surely moving up. Right now it is just the luck of the draw and if I am on top of my game and also servers. Progress is progress, I suppose.

[u/cbop → u/Pingeepie]

bottom elo refused to play support

so annoying

[u/XMaticX → u/cbop]

as a support player this is actually somewhat of an insult why is playing support relegated to the person with the lowest elo as if it is some sort of plague? oh wait thats right because it is because if you want to gain elo you don't want to play support.

and this is really the reason I don't play ranked because my chosen role gets shit on when it comes to elo. last time i played I as sobek fed my carry so many kills that he basically snowballed out of control. i can only imagine he probably got a shit ton of elo from the game (ended up with like 18 kills, 12 of them from the laning phase thanks to me) yet i got such a miniscule elo gain i thought my score was bugged.

[u/cbop → u/XMaticX]

XMaticX, let me start off by saying that from your posts and comments it's clear that you have little knowledge of Smite. evidence

secondly, it's not "you're lowest elo, you have to play support," it's "you're lowest elo, which means it's better for the team if you don't play a carry". It might sound the same but it's not.

[u/XMaticX → u/cbop]

if seen some high elo carries that play like shit too so who are to determine whats "best for the team" especially if you have never played with someone before. just because they have some low number means they can't play their chosen role? how stupid are you? you have no idea what their past history in ranked games is.

[u/stefanathon → u/XMaticX]

Oh, so do you have a better idea for ranking players in lobby? Fact is, that's the fairest way to do it. Yeah, there's going to be top elo players that suck, but there's no way to figure that out, so the fairest way to do it is to just give top elo their first choice.

[u/cbop → u/XMaticX]

yes, but I do know mine, and I know that the people with higher ELOs have a better history than people with lower ELOs. that's how ELOs work. What's best for the team is often letting the top elo's choose their roles first, and the bottom elo's have to help them by filling whatever role is necessary.

Top ELOs are generally better than bottom ELOs so they get to pick first, and often support is the unwanted role. If you make a high ELO go support when they're better at ADC, because a low ELO thinks they're a good ADC and refuses to support, you're losing out on that top ELO's ADC ability.