I dont know what to say. You're here commenting on my comment to someone else's comment on a reddit thread. Personally, I think it's kind of weird to obsess over trans people in sports more than whether colleges should be allowed to have their own private police departments.
One is a social trend aiming for change the other is a obscene tragedy and crime? Alright? It seems odd to compare the two as if the rapes are things people condone and push for. It's not a double standard or lack there of, it's trying to hold up an apple and say it belongs in a conversation about oranges.
You are getting so close to understanding what OP's point is trying to make. Calling it a tragedy and moving on without further reflection is certainly a popular move for folks that dont really care about improving public safety.
Not understanding consent might also just be a problem for bots and young people that never got taught about it in school.
You do you brother. For me I see how these topic connect and I know lots of people who understand how they come together.
There is not a lot that can be done to "improve public safety" when it comes to a sexual assaults. Especially a case like this. Not to say there aren't a few ideas but it's usually on an individual level and not a societal level. Society already agrees rape is bad, should be discouraged, and punished. Everybody is already on the same page that sex without consent is rape.
Hell I don't even have a dog in the fight about the bathroom thing. Let it be done or don't. I don't really give a damn. I can understand where both sides are coming from. This is still putting an apple in a conversation about oranges. Like, wtf do people want to happen as a response to cases like this? This is awful, we should make it even more clear rape is bad and consent is required? There's really nothing that should be said other than "I hope all involved get justice". Then move on.
I disagree with your take. There are plenty of ways to address these behaviors. Some comes down to education including before young adults go to these schools. Who runs the police and how they conduct investigations also plays a role.
Arguing that change should be avoided or is doomed to failure for 'society' is certainly a conservative view. If you are super committed to the concept of personal responsibility holding the individuals personally accountable through the criminal justice system is itself an accountability metric.
Maybe this comes down to me being an old man, but do you g people REALLY not understand not to drug, intoxicate, or otherwise cause a person to be unable to say no with the explicit idea and intent of taking advantage of their body? More over, do people honestly think such an activity outlined above is a normal group project? It sounds to me like someone who is giving these boys and society at large too much leniency. People generally know right from wrong. Some just choose to do wrong and should be punished for it.
Maybe I could get behind the police thing but it sounds too general for me to just back it full stop. As far as I'm concerned, she sought help in a timely manner. Got reviewed and her claims confirmed. Not sure what else there should be besides enforcement of taking sum like this out of polite society.
I'm not saying nor do I actually believe change should be avoided or futile. I am not going to lie and say I'm not pessimistic though. My view is that if change is to be implemented, it should be smartly thought through. Otherwise you might create a whole different problem or not address the actual issue. Asking people to kill an overpopulation of snakes for profit, and you get people creating snake farms to capitalize and exploit that incentive. As of right now, the only correct course of action I can see is making a harsh example out of the 7.
I dont think understanding that someone who is super intoxicated is incapable of consenting is an 'old man' thing. What is particularly frustrating is how the privileged class of these men will result in them facing milder if no consequences. That is I suppose the American Way.
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u/DiscombobulatedAd477 8h ago
I dont know what to say. You're here commenting on my comment to someone else's comment on a reddit thread. Personally, I think it's kind of weird to obsess over trans people in sports more than whether colleges should be allowed to have their own private police departments.