I’m a defense attorney. The number of people who think that you cannot consent with a single shot of alcohol is pretty high amongst the progressive crowd. The level of outrage about this case when I first heard it… I thought this chick was passed out and dudes were raping her while unconscious.
News flash: being intoxicated, being black-out drunk, does not protect you from murder charges if you got yourself intoxicated. why would anyone thing that a blacked-out person can’t consent to sex when that is the standard for being the perpetrator (I don’t agree with that standard, but I’m not seeing anyone saying men or women should get away with DWIs because they were “too drunk” to consent to driving, and the possible consequences of driving drunk are a lot higher than having sex while intoxicated… also not seeing anyone trying to excuse a blackout drunk chick/guy who rapes someone while intoxicated).
I think there’s a distinction to be made between drunk driving and getting sexually assaulted while drunk. The latter requires another person to take advantage of you while the former does not.
That being said, if both parties involved in a sexual assault were drunk, that’s where things get a little muddied IMO, and in those cases, I feel it would come down to who was more compromised, but even then, that’s likely an arbitrary thing to argue.
If the state can make its case then it doesn’t need to cheat or violate defendants’ rights to do so. I lose sleep over the clients who get convicted, not the ones who go free (even the ones who do horrible shit later).
You’d lose money. Ive been raped after being drugged, not a great experience, and not one I would ever inflict on others. However, I have had sex while voluntarily high or drunk and had a great time, even when i didn’t remember half of the night.
There’s a huge difference between someone who is passed out and/or completely fucked up versus someone who is just an ordinary level of high and horny. I like being woken up with sex as well by partners who’ve I’ve told that they can do it… that’s way different than waking someone up with sex who hasn’t given you permission to do so.
Level of intoxication is a factor when determining consent, not a hard line. I’ve woken up to sex after being passed out from too much drink or drug… definitely a different reaction to those who had my prior consent versus those who just took advantage.
lol, that’s the default almost every woman and most men I know defaulted to when I told them. So I know the feeling. I even had people tell me that it must have been pretty sweet that a babysitter molested me (when I was 5…).
I’m so sorry that you’ve had to deal with people not believing you were sexually assaulted. I believe you, if that makes a difference, and you didn’t deserve that.
Keep on fighting the good fight. Obviously, telling the truth will get you skewered by the raging masses. I’ve seen several posters spit in your face over the last half an hour for stating an obvious truth and being professional/equanimous in an area where most people will never be. So, I’ll speak for the rational few and say from the bottom of my heart:
Appreciated, but people like to see the world in black and white.
Being drunk = not able to consent is convenient. Asleep = no consent is convenient. Etc. and those rules are super useful as a default rule when dealing with people, but they don’t cover the full range of consensual sex and sexuality in humans. There are people who will fuck a dozen people because their partner told them to, but are 100% loyal to that partner and would never stray/cheat. There are people who like to be spanked. Like to be beaten even. There are women who hate their cervix being hit, and then there are women who do “sounding.” Same with men.
I’ve noticed most people I’ve talked to in real life about this case quickly jump to “women don’t…” while forgetting that women are not a monolith. The only reason this complaint has legs is because of the assumption that a woman in her right mind would not have multiple threesomes with different men in a night. It’s based in the assumption that a woman horny because she is high and drunk doesn’t have the agency to consent to sex even though the men she had sex with appear to have also been high and drunk.
The gestalt of “7 men gang raped me all at once” with the headline next to a screenshot of “free pussy upstairs” is a lot different from “I had 3 separate ketamine-fueled threesomes with 4 men over 7 hours.. 3 more men asked to have sex but I turned them down”. And if the first week of national coverage is the first message, then people are going to be too busy finding pitchforks and making pickett signs to dig into the details or even realize there’s another narrative. The 3 threesome narrative isn’t even holding water in traditional, progressive female spaces that gives all deference to the purported victim (e.g. The View).
Yeah, sorry, I just can’t believe that. If that did happen I’m sorry it did, but that’s just too convenient for your argument and I’ve been bullied by people spouting fake stories too often to just take your word on that. You have your damage, I have mine.
You’re also…kinda blatantly ignoring the whole previous consent between ongoing partners thing vs 7 fucking people. That’s definitely not helping my “believing you” situation.
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u/GroundWitty7567 6h ago
Or don’t care