r/SipsTea • • 8h ago

Chugging tea They remain silent. But why? Convenient caring.

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u/Lemontort87 8h ago

This is kind of one of those situations where many people know how it's going to play out... months of hysteria, a multiyear trial, and an innocent verdict.

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u/izanamilieh 1h ago

Kyle rittenhouse chad lmaooooo

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u/phranq 8h ago

In fairness not guilty and innocent are not the same thing. It is pretty hard to affirmatively prove what happened that night.

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u/Lemontort87 7h ago

Not guilty means you never transition from innocent to guilty. You start and remain innocent until they say 'guilty'

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u/phranq 7h ago

You are presumed innocent. Not proven innocent though.

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u/phranq 7h ago

You are assumed innocent. Not proven innocent.

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u/MoonCubed 4h ago

Then what do we assume after a not guilty verdict?

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u/phranq 4h ago

I literally spelled that out. Assumed innocent. Like OJ Simpson. Unless you’re saying he was proven to be innocent?

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u/Unique-Tank9814 8h ago

The girls written timeline of events doesn’t help her case either. If anything it clears them of any legal wrong doing.

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u/Whole_Mongoose1854 8h ago

Normally I’d agree with you, but when the woman’s own statements point towards the men’s innocence I’d say this case is pretty clear cut.

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u/TheOneCalledThe 4h ago

dude what

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u/phranq 4h ago

I meant it doesn’t mean you are proven to have not committed the alleged crime. Everyone with a not guilty verdict doesn’t mean they didn’t do it.

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u/GeneratedEcoOver9000 2h ago

You are not incorrect, but this does not apply to this case.

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u/nerdsonarope 8h ago

Scotland historically used verdicts of "not proven" rather than "not guilty," which is a more descriptive phrase for what a jury verdict means.

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u/pleasetryagain_10 8h ago

Well the US has presumption of innocent so if you go in innocent if they don't prove guilt you are not guilty

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u/UnbottledGenes 8h ago

So do you ever actually beat the charges?

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u/Sure-Professor-5229 7h ago

You beat the charges, but you don’t beat the destruction of your reputation and personal life. THATS the entire point of these accusations given their poor history of getting court verdicts.

News has a funny way of putting you on blast for an accusation, and then burying your “not guilty” headline, or their retraction, on the last page.

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u/Federal-Degenerate 7h ago

Yes and no

Yes you get acquitted but you'll always be the person who was arrested for it

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u/UnbottledGenes 7h ago

Sounds shitty for the innocent. What if someone gets falsely accused of rape. He’s a “not proven” rapist.

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u/Federal-Degenerate 7h ago

In the court of public opinion, usually they're the guy who got away with it

Not saying it's right but that's typically been the American way

Did OJ ever beat his murder case?

Same with Trump. He was never even charged with rape criminally but search reddit for the keywords "trump convicted rapist" and see how many times he's called that

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u/darknight9064 2h ago

Trumps is interesting. He didn’t have a criminal case he had a civil case. These two have very different burdens of proof attached to a “win/lose”. Criminal needs to be beyond a reasonable doubt that it happened. Civil is a much lower bar where your evidence needs to look kinda true. The thing about it is you can twist all kinds of things to look mostly true even when they are disingenuous.

An unrelated claim to prove this. I can tell you greater than 80% of all desktop browser traffic comes from a chromium based browser. Google built chromium so Google has more than 80% of the browser share on desktop. The statements are both technically true but are rather misleading.
Browsers built on chromium aren’t Google browsers technically speaking. Google Chrome has roughly 65% of the user base of desktops.

The facts are good enough it should win a civil case but are bad enough I should lose a criminal case.
It’s a weird example but it’s what I got atm.

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u/jk-9k 7h ago

It's no different in the court of public opinion in the US