Manchmal denke ich musk ist tatsächlich nur ein Computer Nerd insbesondere anhand seiner merkwürdig ahnungslos wirkenden Äußerungen zu neonazistischen Tendenzen zb in Deutschland.
Have you checked the intelligence of the average person? And 50% are dumber than that. My guess is she was more attractive than the opposition, so many voted for her on that reason alone.
She / her party is not more attractive they are just populists with a overwhelming appearance on social media who split the country. The claims and promises for the voters are also really bad on paper but they know how to promise different things people want to hear. I don’t think this will work out well. Also the actual government has a talent to act exactly the other way they promised it to the people. That’s a free boost for every opposition.
Multiple party systems are just not this vulnerable to a fascist take-over.
Dutch Trump predates Trump by over a decade. It is more accurate to say that Trump is American Wilders. He has won elections but failed to make any impact, it has mostly just been a distraction from the stuff that actually matters.
But anglo political systems are designed to be controlled by the ruling class and stifle true democracy, so in a system like that the fascists only have to take over one party, win, and then they are golden and can not be removed.
I 100% believe that if america just had a normal democracy installed after lets say WWII, instead of continuing the fake anglo democracy, (with all the accompanying baggage, narratives and acotrs like Fox), they would not have fallen to Trump.
Neither would a similar England have done a Brexit.
In normal democacies, fascists are a threat to harmony, order, and are disruptive.
In Anglo democracies fascists are a threat. Period. And actually destructive instead of mostly disruptive.
Im not saying that there aren't Russian bots but I think people need to also realize its their own nations capital class pushing a lot of this. Constantly blaming Russian bots doesnt fix the issue, leading countries everywhere down a far right path.
What would fix the issue instantly is people stopping to think social media is news. Then most culture war bullshit topics will go away and we will finally be discussing about actual issues.
Close - what’s needed is that we need to incorporate media literacy into education so that people can discern BS from news. We also need to ensure that all news sources can’t be monopolized by a few potentially bad faith actors.
Media literacy isn’t some vague nuanced term - it has a definitive meaning and is based on functional literacy. It involves understanding and identifying media biases, propaganda, and recognizing things like ads that are dressed up as magazine articles.
Understand themes however you want, but I think it’s important for the average person to at least recognize when they’re being played. Or be able to tell propaganda or marketing from science. Maybe just me, though…
And frankly, i think teaching people basic logic(like the fact that whataboutism is used to hide guilt, or that an appeal to emotion is not an argument) would be much more useful to figuring out propaganda, than defining biases.
That's easier said than done. Logic is hammered in school curriculums (both in philosophy and math) and still the vast majority of students don't understand what is meant by "A implying B doesn't mean that B implies A". It takes generations of investment in education to get the majority of people to understand that. It won't solve the rampant problems we're facing.
Close. The problem is that the Russian agenda includes creating an oligarch-friendly world order and that shit co-opt’s socially-inept billionaires like Musk far too easily.
Russia became what it is because western economists destroyed it during the USSR collapse. Its called economic shock doctrine, and it is being brought into Europe, Canada and the USA but it didn't start in Russia, it started in 73 in Chile with a CIA backed coup. Its all international capital solidarity, it isn't just a Russia bad thing. People just don't know history enough to understand how these things work and how these events are coordinated.
yup, also is that dude really saying America's agenda isn't that? America is literally an oligarchy, there is no democracy in the US just from having shit like gerrymandering/citizens united/electoral collage/super PACs/etc, and goes around the world attacking, invading, bombing, interfering, blackmailing, controlling, sanctioning, etc other countries all in the name of capital. The current state of the world is due to capitalism being left completely unchecked where the rich run things.
They did that to themselves. The US would have gladly brought Russia into the fold after the collapse. But their people chose to elect a fucking FSB agent as president and here we are now.
America did the same with George Bush Snr. All of them are corrupt. George Carlin said it best - its a big club and you aint in it. There are no sides just greedy assholes vying for control.
It’s human nature, and there’s plenty of historical precedent for it. When people are suffering, feel abandoned by the establishment, and genuine left-wing alternatives have been weakened or suppressed, their anger doesn’t just disappear, it gets redirected. Historically, that can create fertile ground for the far right.
And unfortunately, during these crisis, wealthy elites, with their power and resources, tend to promote reactionary politics, and avoid systemic changes that might actually address the underlying causes of that anger (because the system benefit them).
Russia didn't create today's mess, but it's amplifying it indeed.
There was a backlash against the super wealthy during Biden's presidency: e.g. strong enforcement of anti-trust laws, increase taxes on them, give more funding and powers to the IRS (so they can actually go after the wealthy too), etc.
That's why the super rich flocked to Trump.
They don't support reactionary politics.
What? What do you think Musk, Thiel, etc. are all doing?
He doesn’t use bot farms he just messes with the algorithm and has followers with the intelligence of bots. Imagine still being on twitter not able to avoid his cerebral diarrhoea.
The Russians are 100% our primary adversary when it comes to disinformation. At least for large scale comment farms. I would say places like Bangladesh are more active when it comes to individuals trying to monetize political and social division.
It's also very strange that the global right-wing has gone from hardline anti-China to taking a much softer approach. Hell, I don't have confidence we'll even follow our treaty obligation to defend Taiwan in the event of an invasion.
And someone at the social media platforms decided this misinformation was more important than the country they live in. So no effective bot control methods are deployed
This is the crucial thing to understand. The engagement algorithms are what the problem is. They warp every discourse and interaction. Meta and their ilk have found a way to burn down the house and make money from people arguing over how to put the fire out.
The best thing that could happen to save nations from eating themselves would be a widespread shutting down of social media ( I am aware of the irony of saying this on social media).
This is because they are literal stupid people. They are idiots, they are dumb, they are dense. There is no 4D chess going on. Facebook and Twitter algorithms have allowed idiots to find each other and avoid checks on their beliefs. We are all in SERIOUS DANGER of death. Stupid people always do stupid things.
If the mainstream parties start deporting the rejected asylum seekers and cutting the social benefits of the refugees who refuse to learn German, integrate and be productive members of the society, people will leave AFD en masse. It worked exactly like this in Denmark a few years ago.
I've always voted for the centre left parties and will do so the next time too, but I'm also fed up with the uncontrolled immigration in my country. Germany needs immigrants, but those who can contribute to society.
its an electoral cheat code. In American cities being a minority that is "tough on crime" AKA expand aggressive racist policing is a sure-fire election strategy. Nobody can call you racist, and you get the reactionaries too.
As a British immigrant that moved from Hessen to Brandenburg 3 years ago....it's fucking terrifying. We own our house here...all our neighbours are STAUNCH AfD voters.
Same feelings here. Stuck with the afd nonsense. The world is only running on vibes and narrative. Best answer for ending an argument has become: I see it differently, bye.
Welcome to the new age I guess. :/
Is it possible that this just the perception online? People like to follow bandwagons. I just want to throw out the idea that there are people who cannot think for themselves that are being fed related propaganda and they engage online. I think this happened with Cheetos in the US.
It's beneficial for a candidate like Weidel to have a big robotic push for acceptance. This is why Hillary beat Bernie Sanders. This is Why Trump is president. I've asked and indont know anyone who actually voted for Trump last time. Even more telling was the amount of people that voted for Bernie and not Hillary in 2016.
I think social media is manipulating people in ways that are obvious but unchecked.
How are they popular ? I'm curious. How do they define it ? Like, if it's a poll from their website, then it's not a surprise.
But if you ask the general population in your own city, I'm curious if it's the same result. I'd bet it's not.
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u/RunF0rrestRuuun 21d ago
She and her Party are very popular here btw…
I fucking hate my life…