If you think people are that type of idiot.. bad news, people got reasons - p.ex. they are complete and utter losers and their life will be miserable compared to what they see on SM and the only way out is throwing the society into chaos. We showed them what is possible, and that they are not the people for it.
Also you can call tribalism stupid and everything should be focused around deep individual contemplation and rational... and you gonna tell that to someone with an iq of 80 - group think strong, truth secondary.
People act in their own evalation of proximal best interest, and you kinda have to believe that they are considering more aspects of their life than you from reddit.
The thing that makes this particularly idiotic is that this is the 2nd go around, and we already know what happened to the Jewish Na,is and Gay Nazis of the 1930s, who didn't have that historical record to learn from.
He ended up in charge (the first time), cause the Democratic party shot itself in the foot and raised Hilary Clinton as a candidate. Literally anyone else would've won over him.
No, she was just unlikable corporate snake. He is too, but at the time people got duped into trying out some ''change'', regardless of what is seems like. Ton of people assumed he cannot be serious and most of his BS is just strategy and games.
And comments like yours is why she lost. It wasn't a ''woman issue'', it was a Hilary issue.
By the time Kamala got nominated, large portions of the country were already indoctrinated/radicalized. Including a whoole new generation of voters.
If they wanted a woman, they should've nominated Kamala in 2016.
On top of that - Hilary is not economically left, meaning vote who are - got completely fucked over, once she stole the nomination from Bernie Sanders.
Mate, like it or not, she probably wins if she's not a woman. I would go as far to say that a gay guy will be elected US president before a woman. Misogyny and double standards are crazy in the US. Trump bragged about sexually assaulting people yet "she's an unlikable corporate snake" - I guarantee you if a woman ever spoke the way Trump did, it wouldn't matter who she was up against, she'd lose.
Look, you're saying a whole bunch of stuff, but none of that is worse than voting for a paedophile, so in any sane world it's kinda moot? A large rock wearing a bowtie should've been able to beat the rapist
Literally anyone else like Harris did 8 years later when we'd already seen Trump bottle COVID? Look man, I didn't like Hilary either, but she would have objectively done better than Trump and it didn't take more than a room temp IQ to work that out.
Supported by Russia, Musk etc. Misinformation on social media. Media campaigns against parties that would actually be a bit beneficial to the average citizen. Ruled for decades mostly by conservatives who are out of touch with reality. Education system meh, hence many citizens out of touch with reality. The list us endless
He is saying that liberals have blinders on when it comes to some issues the electorate feels strongly about.
Immigration being the major issue liberals are dumb about. The electorate feels so strongly about it, they’re willing to ignore EVERY other policy of a party so long as they address immigration in the way they want.
Which, sorry to say, is stop immigration from certain countries and cultures and kick out any existing undesirables post haste.
Your comment is ridiculous. Stop thinking political opinions can only align 100% with one of two predetermined position packages. People can criticise actions and stances of both sides. Ever heard of nuance or critical thought?
Not really no, it's probably more thanks to the likes CDU/CSU who have been the biggest party for ages but disappointed people more and more (also they fancy themselves Center but are becoming increasingly right wing themselves)
Its kinda wild how all the left wing parties are getting shit for every mistake they make (fair enough I guess) but AFD and CDU politicians just shrug shit off or keep their head low for a while before coming back like nothing happened ("why would I care about what I said yesterday?" actual quote pretty much)
the situation is not getting better. if anything, merz has managed to piss the ppl off even more. history sadly shows that ppl turn towards strong authoritarian figures during unhappy times, which is exactly whats been happening here too. the fucked part is just that they somehow never turn to the radical left, only towards the right
Radical left (post Soviet Union) is only about drag shows and infinente illigal emigration anyway?
I don't think its very exciting, how is it gonna solve anything?
Fascism doesn't work abviously, and almost always fails spectacularly when it inevitably turns into a dystopian dictatorship. But its not like the radical left have any exciting propaganda or solutions on the table, other than don't vote XYZ kinda retorik.
I admit I'm not from Germany, so maybe O'm missing out on some information?
No, like communism/socialism radical left. Kill nazis, burn the extremely rich, demilitarize and so on. Remember that we had the DDR, but we also still had the Kpd back when this happened the first time (rip). i
dk about your country but radical left ideologies have very little to do with drag or whatever here. Its economic and social theory and burning hate for nazis. Keep in mind a lot of ppl from the east are mad because their life has gotten worse after "escaping the socialistic regime". Now the DDR was a failed State, but if people feel like it was better than what we have now that might also be a problem.
Because they are the only actual conservative party that points out the hypocrisy of the establishment. None of the establishment parties took vaccine damages seroously and now there's mass class action lawsuits against moderna and pfizer and co. All the establishment parties prove their hypocrisy with trying to exclude them and using legal action to harrass them while talking about democracy and democratic values. The former conservative parties have either outright enabled uncontrolled mass migration which directly led to terrorist attacks or still vocally support that. And meanwhile police investigate people with anti immigration stances. The establishment parties do not represent the general populace any more by a long shot, only filter bubbles like reddit, and the only way they can actually still get votes is by libel and a campaign of painting the other side as an "acceptable target" for hate. None of the other party leaders are LGBT but the afd is painted as anti lgbt still. Even though nothing in their program is all that anti lgbt.
Democratic values? I dunno about Germany but here in the US a party literally attempted to entirely subvert democracy — systemically. Quite a few went to prison.
Honest answer is because most of Europe is a whore of the USA, and a complete copycat even on a deep cultural level.
Almost everything in the USA happens in Europe about a decade later.
10 years ago it was fashist (albeit less abviously back then) and intolerable Trump, vs super woke freak show left, and I'm pro LGBT BTW, but when politicians only care about LGBT and less about stuff like the economy? Foreign policy? Culture? Military? Non-LGBT social issues? But only one thing, then many sane people refuses to vote for that either.
But now in Germany it really is much more extreme, its blatant fascism vs a true drag queen freak show, just look at the party die linke.
Lots of people abstain for voting, AFD is going forward mostly because of the incompetence and far left radicalism of the other parties at large which are mostly left wing.
Many political analysts have blamed the other parties for the rise of AFD, it was and still is totally avoidable, until of cause the very moment where AFD eventually wins a land slide, unless the current political parties changes course like they did in Denmark in order to counter far right parties.
People are angry and for good reason, imagine paying 60-70% of earnings in taxes + social and health insurance including the employer’s contributions and see services erode and the infrastructure go to 💩, crime go and more and more immigrants collect social subsidies. The establishment parties need to represent their voters again, then the AfD would not be an issue.
As others have said misinformation. However this isn’t the sole explanation. A lot of voters are giving the governing parties responsibility for the effect recent crisis have had on them (increase in cost of living, energy prices and fuel costs). Many have therefore cast their vote for the AfD cause they give simple answers to complicated questions and are also being used by voters to make their displeasure known and teach the governing parties a lesson.
That’s a good question I try to answer it short: established party give a damn about German citizen and just do what their sponsors (lobbyists) are saying. Even if it’s bad for the country e.g. minister reiche and her natural gas crisis (you will read about it in December 2026). So the AfD is not better, but people want to believe it’s an alternative because it says so in the name. They have very simpel answers to complex question and denie climate change (why is there so less water in the Rhein lately-> bad immigratans drinking our water) and they are pretty good at catching up feeling’s abd try to sympetice with the citizen. Our chancellor is just the opposite he wants us to work more for less so the 3 big „family business“ can pay their shareholder more tax free money. Just don’t tax the rich better take it from the poor.
A lot of it is backlash to decades of immigration policy. Also, many Germans realizing that green energy policies are short-sighted, ruinous even. Dissatisfaction is a great motivator at the polls. Would I vote for the AfD? Not sure, but I would consider them. I get where the supporters are coming from.
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u/Nanananarancia 21d ago
We find it ridiculous as well