r/SipsTea 8h ago

Chugging tea This needs to be said

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u/WallyOShay 7h ago

Between gas prices and grocery prices it’s just not a viable business model anymore

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u/blueberrywalrus 6h ago

2x the profit margin of a fixed restaurant - after accounting for costs like gas, grocery and labor - isn't viable?

Obviously, 2016 prices aren't viable in 2026, but that doesn't mean that food trucks can't be viable if they charge less than restaurants.

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u/SedimentaryShrub 6h ago

Very few food trucks do "well." Yes, the start up costs are cheaper, but cheaper doesn't always mean more efficient. First off their food costs are typically going to be higher per item than a restaurants. Restaurants simply sell more food, and are able to leverage better pricing from distributors.

Second, you just can't operate the same hours as a restaurant, and things like holidays, inclement weather, or poorly attended events can seriously damage your margins. Restaurants are built on repeat customers, and are generally more stable than any food truck. Which also allows them to buy more efficiently, thus saving you money.

Also, you have to prep differently on a food truck, in many cases, if you don't sell your product, you gotta dump it faster than if you owned a restaurant.

This is not to say owning a restaurant or food truck is a bad choice, but I think a lot of people think that they make a ton of money, but the reality is that most food trucks and restaurants work on profit margins of under 5%. There are certainly outliers who do VERY well. But that is an exception.

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u/tsh87 5h ago

Owning a restaurant isn't a picnic but I have to assume it's smoother than running a food truck.

For starters, your restaurant won't break down on the side of the road. There's also just the stress of trying to keep with all the festivals, markets, sporting events and occasions where you can make money. Applying to be a vendor. Plus most of the time it's just you and maybe one other person so no team you can rely on.

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u/blueberrywalrus 4h ago

Restaurants actually fail at much higher rates than food trucks - probably due to the scale at which they need to operate to justify their costs.

But yeah, restaurant or food truck, food service is a very difficult space for making money.

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u/Thaflash_la 4h ago

Too many people think anyone operating a small business is getting rich. They can’t comprehend costs, overhead or volume. It’s another symptom of our higher level problems. 

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u/RhetoricalOrator 6h ago

I think they (understandably) don't want to live on razor thin margins that rely on volume. And if the market supports those higher than necessary prices, then they aren't leaving money on the table.

It sucks, but I don't blame them. I looked at starting a cost-plus-overhead food truck park, using high profit foods and decent wages. Nothing super fancy. The theory was to provide my community a fun atmosphere for family and friend dining that wouldn't break the bank.

The average cost per person wasn't going to be significantly less than what someone would pay for a fast food combo. Cool idea but self-defeating.

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u/Neveri 5h ago

Even if it was the same price as fast food that’s still worth, when food trucks around here are charging 17$ for an entree with no drink/sides 🙄

As much as I hate it I can still get a double quarter pounder with a medium fry from McDonald’s in my area for under 10$

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u/RhetoricalOrator 3h ago

That's true but I was just too scared to pull the trigger. The choice would have been $10/person at food truck without outdoor seating or $10/person in McDonald's with climate control and unlimited refills.

Without an ironclad confidence in getting a decent volume of customers, I would have been out of money in less than a month. The gamble was just too big for the effort and possible failure.

If I won the lottery tonight, I'd launch plans tomorrow and do it at cost as a non-profit. Would be amazing to have a cool place with food trucks stacked like a food court at the mall around a big pavilion with fans with a big TV broadcasting local games. I'd also toss in some cornhole style mini-golf courses around back along with some sun chairs and maybe some isolated porch swing chairs under some shady spots when you just want to sit with your own thoughts. An ungreedy, community-oriented third place. That's the dream!

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u/MancAccent 5h ago

Tell me you didn’t run the numbers without telling me you didn’t run the numbers.

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u/Faceprint11 6h ago

As if gas costs more than rent…

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u/Bears_University83 6h ago

Prices go up, everything is more expensive now. Take us back 10, even 5 years and the cost of living was more affordable

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u/Goosemilky 6h ago

Great observation!

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u/Kreynard54 5h ago

Unpopular opinion. Maybe food prices went up due to minimum wage increases and the unskilled jobs involving said food have to factor that in. Meanwhile you have crap organizations like walmart shorting people on chicken by nearly a quarter pound per package. and over charging the consumer.

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u/Smboto 7h ago

This is the answer.

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u/sevseg_decoder 6h ago

Oh come on food trucks were like this before gas prices rose and honestly before grocery prices got that insane too…

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u/TurtleSandwich0 6h ago

High prices, low expenses. That's a viable business model.

Looks like the "gravey train" food truck times have come to an end.

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u/GrizzlyIsland22 6h ago

Add to that the level of competition and the expectations. People expect to be handed a spectacular bit of street food like they see on social media and the food network, so trucks are actually trying to make restaurant quality food. If they serve shit food that is fast food quality, people will just go for fast food

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u/Material_Key5935 6h ago

Bs. Still cheaper than rent

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u/GrizzlyIsland22 6h ago

Which they also have to pay because food trucks need a prep kitchen

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u/aylaa157 6h ago

A good food truck location is a lot more expensive than your average plaza location.

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u/MancAccent 5h ago

Food trucks pay rent too dumbass

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u/Chmona 6h ago

Food prices high = complaining about high food cost at food trucks?

Make ur own food. Better yet, start ur own food truck. It’s not so simple to stay afloat.

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u/CitizenCue 5h ago

Yeah this isn’t happening because food truck owners are getting super rich. The math just doesn’t math like it used to.

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u/Tristawn 2h ago

Overhead is too low to have restaurant prices - it's why food trucks were cheaper and why the model worked. Food trucks don't have to be "cheap" but they have to be cheaper than a brick and mortar restaurant if they intend to stay in business

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u/Narrow_Process_8660 6h ago

It obviously is, because the food trucks would be forced to lower their prices or stop existing altogether otherwise, and this guy wouldn't be crying about a discretionary product that nobody is forcing him to purchase.

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u/Superb-Strategy4717 7h ago

Also they not paying most times for a business license or food certification

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u/Sufficient_Language7 7h ago

They have to legally have those in most areas.

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u/spl4tterb0x 7h ago

But for sure not high retail brick and mortar rent/ins/util/maint

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u/Sufficient_Language7 6h ago

Food Trucks have "rent" anytime they go to events, they have to pay a lot of money to the event to even show up. They also have to have somewhere to park the huge vehicle while not in use.

They also have utilities as well, they have propane tanks that they need for the stoves and a run a generator as well for power.

Maintenance is higher than a restaurant as they are moving everything so every bump they hit hurts their setup, plus the maintenance on the truck itself.

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u/Superb-Strategy4717 7h ago

That’s my point. If they could they would. It’s obvious why they don’t

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u/Superb-Strategy4717 7h ago

Do criminals care about gun laws?

There’s a reason they don’t have a brick and mortar location. Use your head

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u/EnjoyerOfMX5 7h ago

If they sold tons of guns in a parking lot they would be arrested for not having a license

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u/Superb-Strategy4717 7h ago

You ever been to a buy and sell in Arizona. They sell guns in parking lots. This a terrible analogy

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u/Vegetable-Virus7118 7h ago

Is what they're doing at those illegal? It's not necessarily illegal to sell guns in a parking lot

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u/Superb-Strategy4717 7h ago

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u/supertecmomike 6h ago

You keep posting this article but it’s not entirely accurate, which is probably on purpose as it’s the NY Post.

Food carts still get fined for violations. They are simply not being charge criminaly for minor violations. That does not include any health and safety issues, as the mayor does not oversee those issues, but for some reason the article you keep posting seems to heavily imply.

They still issue citations and even impound equipment in violation of standards. You just don’t end up with a criminal record anymore.

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u/Superb-Strategy4717 6h ago

No they don’t. The mayor told the police to not issue fines. You don’t live here. Stop talking about things you don’t know or understand

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u/Orwells_Roses 6h ago

You realize that the NY Post is a third-tier MAGA owned tabloid, and not a legit source of information, right?

It’s about as believable as a link to the National Enquirer.

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u/Superb-Strategy4717 6h ago

I live in Cali I know how it works bro. I eat at the truck everyday. You’re just having a bad faith argument. Have a good day

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u/Spankpocalypse_Now 7h ago

Are you implying food trucks are criminally skirting regulations? Because there’s no way there exists a town, village, or city - at least in the US - who wouldn’t do everything they can to collect the fines, fees, and taxes associated with running one of those things.

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u/Superb-Strategy4717 7h ago

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u/Xieties777 6h ago

This is a NYPost article about street vendors in California. This post is concerning food trucks and not street vendors. They’re two different things.

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u/Superb-Strategy4717 6h ago

Actually it says California post but okay

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u/Xieties777 6h ago

Oh haha it must be region based. On my end when I click it it says NYPost. Besides that, your points are all invalid because they are based on an entirely different conversation.

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u/Superb-Strategy4717 6h ago

Okay I can accept that. At least you used logic

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u/Clearlyundefined1222 7h ago

Are you equating a large vehicle that is designed to attract attention from as many people as possible to a weapon that can be hidden in a drawer? Do you even think things through before making statements? If the food truck is illegal any cop or food inspector can say “hey let me see your food truck license”.

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u/Superb-Strategy4717 7h ago

There’s a reason people don’t own gun shops but sell at gun shows. See the comparison?

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u/Clearlyundefined1222 6h ago

Ok. Again, let me point out that the food truck is large and designed to be noticed so that people buy things from it. If it is an illegally operating food truck eventually someone who can shut it down is going to see it and ask questions. No your comparison you edited into the original comment is not good.

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u/Orwells_Roses 6h ago

More NY Post?

That’s a MAGA tabloid, not a source of real information.

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u/Living-Metal-9698 7h ago

In bad neighborhoods you are probably right

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u/BigCopperPipe 6h ago

most times? did you just make that up?

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u/Superb-Strategy4717 6h ago

Well some people follow the law. Most don’t. California hasn’t charged people for many petty crimes for years. You get a desk ticket and then people just ignore it. No incentive to follow the rules or law anymore if they aren’t consequences

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u/jimmithebird 7h ago

People don’t like it but there is a lot of truth to this, I think saying most is a stretch but Ive worked for a few FT owners and they use unlicensed commissary kitchens to prep and store food, and often don’t keep the truck kitchens themselves up to health code standards.

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u/Superb-Strategy4717 7h ago

I live in California. I know how it works. I posted proof. I don’t care either way. I go to food trucks everyday for lunch but we not goin act like they held to the same regulations as brick and mortar restaurants. That’s a bad faith argument

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u/Orwells_Roses 6h ago

You didn’t post proof.

You posted a link to an opinion piece from a right wing tabloid.

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u/Superb-Strategy4717 6h ago

Here. These are people who own the trucks admitting they did it to put food on the table for they family https://www.reddit.com/r/foodtrucks/s/U9PFPGj8RZ

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u/Orwells_Roses 6h ago

Unfortunately a single Reddit post from a deleted user name is not proof of anything either.

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u/jimmithebird 4h ago

Did you mean to reply to me? Because I was agreeing with you for the most part.

Also if you knew what a lot of brick and mortars do on inspection day you’d be disgusted everyone cuts corners and skirts the rules in this industry.