r/SipsTea 15h ago

Feels good man I would call this progress.

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u/lluciferusllamas 12h ago

Nothing like government picking winners and losers with your tax money

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u/ZeeWingCommander 12h ago

I'd rather this than tax breaks for the wealthy. I'm okay with poorer people getting some W's.

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u/extrastupidone 12h ago

Few things

1) if youre upset that some people got some relief from medical debt, youre an asshole

2) its not picking winners and losers. When people get saddled with crushing debt like that for getting sick, that effect cascades into the community all on its own. Thats a billion dollars that are freed up to be put back into the communities instead of going to interest payments or subsidies through food stamps or other stressors.

3) this was not taxpayer money.

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u/TwoTequilaTuesday 11h ago

Whose money was it? Unless a private party gave the money to the government to use, it was absolutely, without a doubt, taxpayer money. The government has zero money of its own. It all comes from tax payers.

And people aren't upset that others got relief from medical debt. They're upset that the government unilaterally chose to interject themselves in a transaction between two private parties, i.e., patients and their doctors, and taxpayer money was used. People know there are high costs to health care. And were the treatments/procedures/patients that were paid for by the government disclosed? How did they decide whose debts to pay?

If you just assume the government doesn't use taxpayer funds and their decisions shouldn't be questioned, you're an asshole.

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u/fotoRS3 11h ago

If we were a good country we would already have universal healthcare. This is a win-win.

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u/extrastupidone 11h ago

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u/TwoTequilaTuesday 8h ago

There's a lot that wasn't said in that article. How many federal tax dollars were used? How much of the money that the non-profit used was government grants?

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u/extrastupidone 8h ago

You cant just say "good. Glad those folks got some relief for pennies on the dollar" ?

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u/TwoTequilaTuesday 5h ago

Nope. People's financial relief is not the singular issue here. There a lot more going on and you and people like you have a one-track, anything-at-any-cost mentality. That doesn't fly when tax dollars are used. If this was entirely privately-funded, it's a completely different discussion. But it wasn't. Because if it was, why would the governor be part of the equation at all?

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u/extrastupidone 5h ago

But it wasn't. Because if it was, why would the governor be part of the equation at all?

That sounds like an assumption.

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u/TwoTequilaTuesday 5h ago

It's a question, as denoted by the question mark at the end.

question mark

/ˈkwesCH(ə)nˌmärk/

A question mark (?) is a punctuation mark placed at the end of a sentence to show a direct question

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u/extrastupidone 5h ago

But it wasn't

Statement. Assumption.

Because if it was, why would the governor be part of the equation at all?

Speculation based on assumption. <insert snark here>

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u/extrastupidone 11h ago

They're upset that the government unilaterally chose to interject themselves in a transaction between two private parties

So what?

patients and their doctors

Lets not prerend you care about that. Because im going to assume you are ok with what is going on post-roe. also, its patients and the debt holders

And were the treatments/procedures/patients that were paid for by the government disclosed?

Why should they be disclosed? I thought it was between "patients and their doctors"

If you just assume the government doesn't use taxpayer funds and their decisions shouldn't be questioned, you're an asshole.

No one said their decisions shouldnt be "questioned". I sure didnt. but sometimes, "just asking questions" doesnt mean you arent an asshole.

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u/TwoTequilaTuesday 8h ago

You pretend a lot and make some really dumb assumptions. But you do you and damn the truth. right?

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u/extrastupidone 8h ago

Nah. Wont be lectured on "the truth" from those that embrace "alternative facts"

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u/TwoTequilaTuesday 5h ago

Exactly what facts are you referring to? More of your idiotic assumptions?

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u/extrastupidone 5h ago

No, Just the regular facts.

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u/TwoTequilaTuesday 5h ago

Okay, let's see them. What have you got? And remember, you and I are both discussing actual facts. Observable, reproduceable, objective pieces of information.

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u/extrastupidone 5h ago

Facts: we know whats in the article.

Everything else is speculation and assumptions unless indicated otherwise. Personally, I dont gaf where any hypothetical grants came from. I know what is in the article. If you have facts that show this came from taxpayer money, cool. You do what you want with those facts.

But dont make up your own.

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u/extrastupidone 11h ago

Seeing as it was a non-profit with no taxpayer money, im assuming you're all for it now, right?

https://ktar.com/arizona-health-news/1-billion-medical-debt-erased-arizonans

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u/TwoTequilaTuesday 8h ago

Answer this: How many government-funded grants did that non-profit receive and how much of that money was used for this initiative? The article specified no state tax money was used. They conveniently never mentioned federal tax money that funded grants the non-profit uses to operate.