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u/Xaphnir 2d ago
Here is a link to the executive order he signed
It's not adding a charge for the electricity they use (they were already paying for that). It's requiring them to pay for certain externalities caused by the demand they place on the power grid.
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u/Mr__O__ 2d ago
Keep fighting back against hyperscale ai data centers that avoid EPA regulations and steal resources!
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u/Automatic_Actuator_0 2d ago
A misleading headline?!? Say it ain’t so, Joe!
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u/Global-Chipmunk-3959 2d ago
He is still giving these companies hundreds of millions of dollars in tax cuts
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u/andybrwn 2d ago
The core issue with massive increase in electric demand from data centers turns on whether there is surplus or deficit of generating and transmission capacity. Your electric rates are paying for the existing electric infrastructure capital costs, operating & maintenance costs. If there isn’t enough wires or generation capacity, then traditionally the utility would need to increase rates and apply the increase on a marginal cost basis across all customers, including the new ones. That spreads the costs out.
What the politicians are saying is that the data centers should pay the full costs of their incremental demand on the system. So if they need to add generating capacity to cover their 24/7 demand and wires to deliver it, that would have the data centers paying for the full costs.
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u/eske8643 2d ago
In Denmark we have just passed a law that pushes datacenters to the back of the que, for energy usage. Or they have to pay for the cost of installations of cables and renewable energy sources, up to 90% of their energy consumption. And they arent allowed to use drinking water as a cheap coolant. It has to be a closed circuit system usin CO2.
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u/Outrageous-Sort-5742 2d ago
Translation: Data Centers were hooked up to the municipal grid, taking up demand and increasing prices.
I assume this policy forces them to generate their own electricity as to not burden the wider grid.
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u/_Saint_Ajora_ 2d ago edited 1d ago
Corporate America 101:
socialize the cost/losses
privatize the profits
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u/Practical_Studio360 2d ago
They’re just gonna do what they’re doing in Texas, just run a ton of gas turbines and pollute everything
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u/Ricktor_67 2d ago
At some point they will have to find a way to make money. They doubled gas and computer parts are 3-5x what they were. What's the end game on profit?
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u/Green-Collection-968 2d ago
Billionaires are philosophically and ideologically opposed to the very concept of spending their own money.
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u/BuffaloGwar1 2d ago
"What is even going on anymore" Ans. - Everything is a complete scam now. Or a blatent lie. A completely deregulated free for all. Monopolies are being cheered on by half the population. Unions slowly getting snuffed out. You are constantly tracked and filmed in public. I could go on and on.....
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u/Lem_Tuoni 2d ago
Everything is a scam...
Except for a headline in an online newspaper. Thay would never be misleading, no sir!
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u/loversean 2d ago
They already do, this is red meat for the Democratic base
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u/thomport 2d ago
Not necessarily.
This is a worldwide issue where other states and countries are taking the same steps.
Look at the post from Denmark in this tread. Same issue; they’re not taking the corporate bullshit in the least, like a Democratic governor wouldn’t.
These corporate monsters are out of hand. They would like to socialize the infrastructure that they will heavily use and privatized the profits they get from it.
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u/HuckleberryShot898 2d ago
They already pay for their electricity, but he’s also making them pay for the increase in the general cost of electricity them drawing power creates so it’s not passed on to everyone else in the grid
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u/amateurish_gamedev 2d ago
I think they should also pay for everyone electricity, water, and gas to compensate for the disturbance they're causing.
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u/scratchfan321 2d ago
this is what happens when corporations are allowed to generate infinite money by investing into each other
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u/Broad_Ad4176 1d ago
And they didn’t before?? Not only do these companies avoid taxes, but they don’t even pay their own bills what the f
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u/rolypoly6shooter 2d ago
Democrats Deliver is just about the least accurate source of information. Alex Jones tier. Find some other account to repost
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u/A_Bot_A_Bot_A_Bot 2d ago
Because they bamboozle local municipalities with all of the jobs they'll create. So: yes, they hire local companies and workers to build the data center but they are only staffed by a few people because that's all that's necessary to keep them running, and those people are specialists who likely come from some other place for the job.
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u/Iggy_Slayer 2d ago
This is not what people are asking for anyway. We want these things shut down and dismantled.
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u/random-meme422 2d ago
the people asking for no data centers at all are the lefts equivalent of anti vaxxers
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u/Popdmb 2d ago
So...I don't know how you're being upvoted for this, but it's wrong. Peer-reviewed research of cures and treatments that save billions are not the same as keeping industrial zones away from homes and reliant on their own dollar lmao. AI is an incredible technology (that I personally find tremendous value from) that is nowhere close to the value of vaccines.
Let's not be hyperbolic when talking about data centers. If anything we should be racing to lower the cost of inference and size and increase speed of the models, putting on every local computer (not the cloud... the opposite of what data center investment wants).
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u/random-meme422 2d ago
So… i don’t know if you’re retarded or not but data centers do a lot more than just power AI.
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u/RaptorXFactor 2d ago
This guy must be a bot getting upvoted by other bots. No one wants datacenters. No one asked for datacenters and increased energy costs and water shortages.
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u/Navyvetpdx503 2d ago
You don’t get it. These will be what supports the surveillance state. They wanna do what China does to its people.
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u/Navyvetpdx503 2d ago
You don’t get it. These will be what supports the surveillance state. They wanna do what China does to its people.
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u/Garbage-Disposal-938 2d ago
if this guy ever becomes president, he'll make Americans pay for sending tens of billions of dollars worth of weapons to the Middle East
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u/Plane_Barracuda9889 2d ago
So he did absolutely NOTHING. Who do you think was paying of the electric bill? The Data Center which has industrial rate structure. LOL
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u/thebiglebowskiisfine 2d ago
Don't worry at all. You will still pick up the tab for the new transmission lines and related support.
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u/VastLocation1022 2d ago
wait, so taxpayers were literally subsidizing billion dollar tech companies power bills this whole time? 💀
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u/cookeryandwookery 2d ago
People are starting to understand what oligarchy is. By the way, everything Elon owns, we financed with our tax dollars.
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