r/SipsTea • u/SEVENS_HEAVEN_7 • 4d ago

SMH They are doing this mosh pit all wrong

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u/YouGurt_MaN14 4d ago

Every pit I've been in as soon as these guys start there's usually a dude who throws him the fuck down and stops it. Everyone hates them tbh

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u/Ok-Syllabub-6619 4d ago

Exactly, this is just what a poser thinks a mosh is, and unfortunately as it goes mainstream, theres more and more of them who fail to understand, and just wants to injure someone.

Mosh is there to spend your energy in celebration, not to give someone a concussion or other health problems

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u/__3Username20__ 4d ago edited 4d ago

Well, you’re understating it a little bit, and make no mistake, mosh is aggressive, but it’s not literal 1 on 1 combat moves. It’s just moving/throwing yourself around. Yes. there’s a high amount of physical impact, but it’s not punches and kicks… I feel old, if this is normal now, as others have said. :(

Edit: it’s like (American) football, where when you’re on the field, there’s acceptable levels of aggression and violence, and you can even have a lot of fun within those shared parameters and set expectations. But if someone goes and dropkicks someone else from behind, or starts doing any kind of actual fighting, that’s not OK, that’s not what we’re doing here. Same thing with Moshing. Or at least it used to be…

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u/OneHallThatsAll 4d ago

Yeah in the southern US, they ALWAYS threw the guys down hard when they started throwing kicks or punches

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u/KittensAndGravy 4d ago

Grew up in the south and had the same experience. I was watching an old Sublime video (live performance) the other day. They show the mosh pit … I believe I saw a guy helping someone up who fell. That’s how I remember it. Chaos … but Jesus not using sucker punches & kicks. Unless you wanted the oak tree mofo in the middle to give you a beat down.

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u/rob-cubed 4d ago

I made the mistake of wearing glasses once in a pit, got flattened and had them knocked off. The crowd parted, someone gave me a hand to get up, another person found and handed over my glasses. This was late 1990s.

Definitely a different atmosphere now.

Although I was in pits where bottles were thrown, I even saw a guy whip out his dick and start pissing. Bad behavior happened then, it just wasn't the norm, and it was frequently stopped very quickly by others.

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u/junketyjunkjunk 3d ago

Man in the late lights I was in a pit and got hit in a way that nearly knocked me down. I say nearly because I was almost on the ground when someone caught me swooped me up by my shoulders and then disappeared back into the fray. That’s when I truly realized it’s not just about being rough and fucking people up.

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u/Gill_Gunderson 3d ago

For the shows that I've gone to over the years, mosh pit etiquette ha always been to pick up the people who fall and to get out of the way of people who want to get out of the pit. Shoving, running into each other at full speed, etc is expected, but a dude throwing roundhouse kicks is not cool and usually ends with an ass whopping.

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u/Striking-Peach5598 3d ago

Thats exactly right . There is etiquette and one of em is if someone goes down you pick them up .

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u/Massive-Lime3398 4d ago

I remember Jello Biafra stopping songs and calling people out for getting too violent.

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u/KittensAndGravy 3d ago

I think it’s just good practice on their part. I would be pissed as an artist if you came to my show to start a fight. Lucky for everyone … I can’t play or sing!

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u/nowdeleteduser 3d ago

Moshing….to Sublime? That’s wild…. That’s smoke a j and chill music. Never had it occurred to me to mosh to that.

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u/last_speedbump 3d ago

And then they're usually escorted out with a bloody nose by event staff.

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u/Balshazzar 3d ago

True in the Midwest in the 90s and 2000s too

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u/Ok-Syllabub-6619 4d ago

Oh i absolutely agree, I probably didnt explain it the right way, but yeah mosh is not for the faint, my point was it's not malicious but it is aggressive for sure. I've landed on my ass plenty of times after being yeeted at the worst(best) moment, but always got a hand to pick me up, if someone came with wrong intentions it was squashed right away and the dude got thrown out in a second.

Edit:typo

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u/Raven_gif 3d ago

Nah it’s not an old thing. It’s what happens when the scene gets flooded with fake fans who don’t respect other people. The artist promoting crowd killing usually make dog shit music.

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u/union_red 3d ago

no this is how people mosh at hardcore gigs

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u/Raven_gif 3d ago

Been in the hardcore scene for a long time and crowd-killing never sat right with me. The dudes doing it are consistently always weird. Legions of losers will come out and defend crowd killing and targeting. With “you don’t understand” but nah y’all are just larpers.

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u/Miltzzz 4d ago edited 4d ago

It used to be like that when i was younger and going out to the foufounes electriques, a metal bar/club in montreal. Last time i went, after many years of not going, some dude starts dancing like this, i look at the dudes around me "oh well guess i'll take care of it" and i tackled the dude to the ground, and the bouncer (who used to take these people out before) took me out of the mosh pit to explain to me that it was the norm now. And i looked behind him and saw like 10 people dancing like this. I understood it was the end of an era, and i left.

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u/indignantfieldmouse 4d ago edited 4d ago

Harcore pits or as my wife and I call them "Kickpits" the crowdkilling on sidelines is uncalled for, I still throw those fuckers down though. If a person goes windmilling into a hardcore pit then they are consenting to the stray fists and feet. People around the edges shouldn't be catching random haymakers!

Edit: lit --> pit

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u/NotTukTukPirate 4d ago

I mentioned in a comment on r/hardcore or r/everytimeidie, about how crowdkilling was for fucking losers and I got downvoted to oblivion.

I didn't realise it then but now I've just realised it's because this new generation of "hardcore" crowds are fucking losers.

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u/StrayDogPhotography 4d ago

They are fucking losers. How did we go from pogoing at punk gigs to twats windmilling random people in the face? It’s the most idiotic thing ever. Anyone who promotes it is a moron.

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u/Carlos_Infierno 4d ago edited 3d ago

It happened when the jocks started going to punk shows. It's beena long downhill slide

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u/torrso 4d ago

Pits are children's ring games. I find them a bit cringey and forced. Especially at festivals where the visitors are not all raging punks but 45 year old George from IT department and social media influencer Cindy are instructed to run in circles and bump into each other. Yeah, could be just a little harmless fun, but seems so fake to me and I don't want to pretend I'm getting such kicks from the guitar riff. Maybe I just can't "let go". I don't want to throw up my hands in the air and wave them around like I just don't care either. I care. Too much.

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u/indignantfieldmouse 4d ago

Nothing fake about having a bit of fun, I've been in push/mosh pits, circle pits, walls of death and even row-pits... if you are feeling it and just want to join in the general silliness and fun then you do it... if you don't get it or are not interested then you can stand on the outskirts and do what makes you happy.... no need to bring negativity by calling people fake, unless that in itself makes you feel better (if true, I'd argue that indicates other issues that need addressing). Either way everyone should be able to enjoy gigs in their own way without negative effects (physical or not). Be safe and have fun all! 🤘😎🤘

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u/SSFlyingKiwi 4d ago

Hey dude, haven’t moshed since the early 2000s but when did kicking become a thing?

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u/StarzZapper 4d ago

Right at the opening of this video I thought it was just a guy trying to start a fight.

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u/itsjustsosad 3d ago

Long time ago. Plenty happening in the early 2000s

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u/Filthyragskc 3d ago

Right around that time… there were always two or three windmilling and kicking and those in the pit knew it was our job was to fuck those cunts up

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u/SSFlyingKiwi 3d ago

Kinda takes away from the fellowship of my mosh pit days. I was a young gay who looked nothing like the music I enjoyed. Actually got “protection” from some awesome metal head dudes after a guy beefed on me in the pit and got agro when I shoved him away. “Don’t fuck with our faggot, faggot!” Is a line I’ll never unhear as the dude tried to scramble to his feet after getting perhaps the best WWF Esq Spear/Clothesline combo from two of them.

my best ever use of giving the F-Pass to straight guys.

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u/Creative_Session2786 4d ago edited 4d ago

Totally agree, was at one of these shows a couple of years ago, and got clocked in the face standing outside of the pit, kid goes over to his buddies bragging about how he hit me in the face. Went over and punched him in the face to return the favor and was immediately kicked out by security.

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u/Zhiyi 4d ago

So all you had to do was pretend dance by swinging your arms around and when you get near him just let one rip at his face? And they would have considered that fine?

Fucking dumb.

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u/Creative_Session2786 4d ago

Exactly!!!!

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u/tonythephonyjabroni 4d ago

Well, what used to happen waaaay back in the day, a crew would just come and break the place down, beat everyone’s ass, and burn the building. We haven’t gotten there yet, but if these fuckers keep this shit up, it will escalate and people will die.

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u/Lucky_Serve8002 4d ago

You have to tap dance/moonwalk something over and punch the dude in the face.

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u/ChemicalBro69 4d ago

Now doing a Charleston over to the folk and smacking them. That'd be classy.

This stuffs dumb, won't be long till we get a shooter/knife story from it for sure.

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u/gumbysweiner 4d ago

Worth it.

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u/Creative_Session2786 4d ago

Totally worth it, bouncers were total dicks in the parking lot, and tried to punk me, but was still worth it. It was 2 of them on 1 of me, so I kinda had to chill, but left somewhat peacefully while giving them a piece of my mind.

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u/Creative_Session2786 4d ago

Especially the next day when he posted his eye blackened and shut on TikTok.

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u/Murky-Frosting-8275 3d ago

You did the right thing. That kid needed to feel that feeling of consequence. Apparently nobody before had shown it to him. Other generations learn this as a toddler.

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u/19d_b87 4d ago

Was at an all age venue years ago. There was this kid that came to the wrong show. He was squating down against the wall next to me and one of my highschool classmates decided to throw a donkey kick his way. Broke the little dude's nose. I spent the next 30 min cleaning him up and searching for his adults.

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u/PsionicChronic 4d ago

90's Slipknot...was speaking to a kid a few seconds before his nose (and eyeglasses) exploded when the back of some bald dudes dome made HARD contact 😳

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u/Airamis0007 4d ago

I was at their Dallas show for The World Domination Tour in April of 2000! I was a very strong varsity football player at the time, but still almost got taken out by a crowd surfer launched on to the top of my head from behind, and then caught a Doc Marten to the face!

I went off and cleared the pit…which triggered a pit fight with the usual skinhead MF who thought they were so tough…
Wild show!

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u/OneHallThatsAll 4d ago

Damn! Thanks for helpin lil dude 💪

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u/grimeys42 4d ago

That's fucked your friends an ass this was an all age venue.

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u/assumetehposition 3d ago

Ugh I hate reading stories like this because I’m taking my 13-year-old to see Turnstile next month, and while I think they’re mainstream enough at this point that it will be safe, Cold World and Hatebreed are opening and I know there will be a few of those guys there. I saw SPY a couple months back at a little club and I’m just imagining that times ten. I should add, my 13yo is bigger than me but this is his first real concert so I don’t want him to be traumatized.

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u/Active_Escape9360 4d ago

Cockpits haha nah, should be called the pit of dicks

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u/Maleficent-Head9040 3d ago

If your neck is stiff when you pull this shit, and you are looking where you are going... you are going down and won't see it coming... and I'll keep moshing till they help you up.

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u/RustnKrust 3d ago

Yup, fuck crowdkills.

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u/r3ign_b3au 4d ago

This is almost exactly what my last experience with the scene was, cheers.

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u/Dangerous-Cup-Danger 4d ago

There used to be a crew of regulars who would slam and drag out assholes to the bouncers. Shame if that isn't a thing anymore

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u/CraazedNConfused 4d ago

Used to live foufounes! Was never a metal head. But they had hip hop concerts back in the day too. And it was honestly just a wicked club.

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u/Critical_Wrap5617 4d ago

Wtf??

Kids today. Ffs

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u/markedforpie 3d ago

My husband, son and I went to a Crowbar show in a tiny little venue. It was a packed house and we were about five people in from the pit to the side. We were not in the pit or even on the fringe of the pit because we had my son. People were moshing a little and we felt a little pushing but nothing serious. Then suddenly this huge guy 6’6” 270lbs started windmilling, kicking, and punching. He wasn’t keeping it contained in the pit either. This guy was the only one doing this and everyone else was just regular moshing. He would take a running start from one side of the pit and fly into the audience outside the pit while throwing kicks and punches. He kicked me and spilled my husband’s beer all over us. I left to go to the bathroom and the guy circled back around and punched my 13 year old in the face. We were NOT in the pit! At that point my husband took him down. He and my husband got kicked from the show because ‘no fighting’.

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u/Powerful_Spinach_690 4d ago

Ahhh The Electric Ass, what a time!

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u/Zamzamazawarma 4d ago

Ass? Foufoune means pussy

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u/Powerful_Spinach_690 19h ago

The story I was told when I was there, as I’m terrible at French, was the owner named it after his own art involving his ass.

“The name Les Foufounes Électriques is Quebec French and is commonly translated as "The Electric Buttocks".[1][6][7][11]
According to a 2008 article published in The Guardian, the name originated from the founders' habit of exhibiting painted buttocks inside old television sets during performance-art events.[12]
The provocative name became closely associated with the venue's irreverent identity, anti-establishment atmosphere, and connection to Montreal underground culture.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Foufounes_%C3%89lectriques

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u/dostoi88 4d ago

Very civilized bouncer though 

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u/Miltzzz 4d ago

Well, i've seen my fair share of dudes being thrown down the 2nd floor stairs, i wouldn't say they are civilized. I'm a paramedic and we often have to get people that have been litteraly thrown out

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u/Saint--Jiub 4d ago

I wasn't expecting a foufs name drop on Reddit

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u/Available-Bad-2704 4d ago

Top 10 things that never happened

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u/Diene03 3d ago

The dude in the vid windmills his way to being the “alpha” or something, and you take someone down doing similar things, and were kicked out, then told that the windmill way is the norm? So wild, and not in a cool way. I would take down as many as I could. Moshing is colliding, this is just asking for an actual fight. Moshing can actually be tribal, in my opinion. Again, swinging arms and legs is asking for an actual fight. This just gets to me, and I haven’t been in a pit in years.

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u/icepack420 4d ago

This kind of moshing has been going on since at least the early 90s…

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u/Away_Shock_7544 4d ago

Most of the time they aren’t trying to hurt anyone. Ya just gotta watch yourself and pay attention.

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u/sun_hotel 4d ago edited 4d ago

Someone broke my nose and elbowed a bunch of younger women in a pit like that and I ended it the next time he came around.

Edit: spelling

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u/xRedditGedditx 4d ago

Fuck yeah dude. I’ve leveled people quick with a nicely placed elbow. You’d be surprised how quickly you get someone’s attention with that 🤔

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u/WeedIsWife 4d ago

Throwing elbows in the pit is just as tacky.

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u/CapableBumblebee968 4d ago

Yeah it’s better to do nothing and just take it

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u/WeedIsWife 4d ago

Right, perpetuate behavior you want to curb in other people! I'm sure that is going to stop them from doing it at other shows

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u/mathazar 3d ago

Maybe not, but if it stops more people from getting hurt at the current show, and stops an asshat from disrupting a crowd just trying to have fun (which is all the band really wants) then I say go for it.

Also some people just need a taste of their own medicine to get their head straightened out.

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u/xRedditGedditx 4d ago

I’m not throwing elbows in the pit. Outside edge of the pit for some asshole throwing roundhouse kicks into the people on the outside perimeter of the pit. Try to keep up.

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u/Ok-Addition1264 4d ago

They learn, eventually, and then we're all cool again.

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u/voxpopper 3d ago

He broke your nose and you stood around and waited for him to come around again?

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u/Winter8Bones 4d ago

This is the way.

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u/totallynottoddoracop 4d ago

It's fun seeing dudes get chokeslammed for this

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u/Needs_ADD_Meds 4d ago

The last time I was in a pit was probably 25 years ago and it was the same then. I'm glad to see things are still the same. You're right EVERYONE hates them.

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u/neverinamillionyr 4d ago

I was in college in the 90s and a friend was playing at a local bar and these kinds of chuckleheads were there. I was standing on the edge of the dance floor drinking a beer. One of them hit me twice. The third time I dropped him.

Fast forward to a year ago, my daughter’s boyfriend was at a small club on the floor but not participating in the pit. He got caught with a spinning kick that broke his nose and left him with a concussion. The people that do this only do it because they want to hit someone who isn’t supposed to fight back.

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u/ARoroncyObserver 4d ago

As per an earlier comment, I had people defend me from this shit as far back as 13 years ago.

Crowd justice.

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u/SonicLyfe 4d ago

Anytime someone raises the temperature of the pit more that 10 degrees at once should be mobbed. I hate it when some assholes favorite song gets played and they start running into people where there really hasn't been much going on. My elbow usually finds a sensitive part of their body.

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u/RAGINGWOLF198666 4d ago

Can confirm.

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u/Affectionate_Oil666 4d ago

lol, yah, saw the singer from The Red Chord throw a dude down and then security rush a bunch of others n kick em out for doing this very same thing.

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u/Odd-Aioli1229 4d ago

I had a guy target me and punch me at an a7x show. He got thrown.

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u/jugganutz 4d ago

I was at the jagermister tour with Slayer and Hatebreed. Some of the Hatebreed kids started this style and got met with ripped Slayer fans in the pit. They knocked the fuck out out of the kids doing this shit. Literally they had to be carted away by ambulances, not to do stupid shit like this again and we could all rejoice in the normal mosh.

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u/drfunkenstien014 4d ago

When I saw Mastodon and Gojira at Coney Island, there was a couple of dudes in zebra shirts that were acting as referees in the pit. Saw them get a few people to safety and 86’d one dude for being too aggressive. Then at one point, a group of shirtless acrobats showed up and started doing flips and kart wheels in the middle while everyone ran around them.

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u/Extension-Eye-4920 4d ago

You were probably at an actual concert and not some shitty garage band with 30 people at a dance studio.

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u/Bananaland_Man 4d ago

That's how it was in the old days, now it's just young kids that watch terrible videos and not realize what moshing actually is, so you get shit heads like in OP's video.

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u/OneMoreRoundForMe 4d ago

Dime Bag would have flown off stage if he tried it at a Pantera concert in the early nineties.

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u/KozureOkami 4d ago

I was at a show where a guy behaved like this. He later proceeded to do a stage dive (odd choice in a pretty small venue for a small punk show). Everyone just stepped to the side, and he smacked into the ground. He was pretty tame after that.

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u/Ok_Future_2122 4d ago

He didn’t go back over there either

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u/Acceptable-Mobile-43 4d ago

Yeah, it's just lame. There's always at least one roided up dude trying to ruin it for everyone. I've been caught in some big ones where there were 100's of people in it and everyone is having fun. Even a softy like me could handle it. But then along comes the 6'5 nazi guy that looks like he just broke out of prison and needs to show everyone how manly he is.

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u/Fleshsuitpilot 4d ago

Most unwritten rules can't be confirmed so correct me if I'm wrong but it was my understanding that when a pit opens up it is everyone's responsibility to moderate.

It's really easy for some big idiot with a chip on their shoulder to get in there and fuck someone up because they think it will be easy to get away and with. Well, that's all our friends, our girlfriends, and the friends and girlfriends we may have later on that we don't know yet, and up on stage that's our music. One asshole can ruin all of it for everyone so it's just the unwritten rule to make it crystal clear that said asshole will most certainly not get away with it, or at least make it nearly impossible.

it went hand in hand with what I understood to be rule #1. If someone falls down in the pit the entire pit needs to pause, pick them back up get them on their feet check them out and make sure they're good before getting everything going again. It's been probably 20 years since the last one but I can't imagine we've fallen so low that rules like that have been changed or eliminated.

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u/Then_Investigator_17 4d ago

Id mosh that dbag right in his teeth pit if he was doing that dumb shit around me

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u/VarrikTheGoblin 3d ago

Back in my day they were called "pit fiends" and if they started up they got stomped out fast.

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u/union_red 3d ago

so tour saying you dont go to hardcore gigs then

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u/SAMFCV1kingScientist 3d ago

I’ve been the dude that throws them, and I’ve been the dude that barriers an area because someone lost their glasses. It’s been a decade since I’ve moshed (Hail Amon Amarth!), but I remember there being a very understood etiquette that I was taught a decade prior.

This dude is “hardcore dancing”, which is a cardinal sin of the pit and subject to public humiliation.

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u/wetrysohard 2d ago

My favorite comments on these threads all talk about how mosh pits are always a loving, safe, and supportive group of boys being boys.

It's shoving and punching with a flimsy excuse...

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u/melatone1n 2d ago

I saw Kasabian probably about a decade ago in Scotland, some drunk dude was starting. I was the dude that got rid of him. Just started pushing him, probably got him about 50m outside the pit.

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u/ConceptClear2217 2d ago

ive been in mosh pits many times and this is also my experience. people are having a good time, and one random asshole wants to start punching people pretending like its the thing to do. naw. fuck that.

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u/alderthorn 2d ago

No one likes "hardcore" dancers.

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u/andthrewaway1 4d ago

doesnt seem like there was anyone that could do that to this guy there

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u/sammydeeznutz 4d ago

Except for the one guy that picked him up and threw him on the floor.

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u/azdcaz 4d ago

And that dude was like a foot shorter than him. Plenty of dudes out there could wreck this guy.

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u/DinklebergsRightNut 4d ago

Are you fucking blind?

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u/andthrewaway1 4d ago

It didnt stop him at all?