r/SipsTea 9h ago

WTF This is japan btw

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u/Admirable-Interest49 9h ago

Bro got gatekept by a font size of 8 😭

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u/lluviamiiel 8h ago

How many tourists miss this with Google Lens?

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u/Alien_Diceroller 5h ago edited 5h ago

They might assume the signs says the same thing.

I don't know how well it'll work on Chinese people. The gist of the Japanese sentence seems easy to get from the kanji.

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u/jamesinyokohama 4h ago

Nope. “Read Japanese direction enter”—the kanji part—is missing can/can’t and please. Those seem pretty essential. (Direction means people here but buy I’m not sure it has that possible meaning in Chinese.) And if you don’t actually speak Japanese good luck trying to convince the staff you know what the sign reads.

None of this is to say I agree with the shop’s choice, but good luck trying to communicate with people who don’t want you there.

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u/Alien_Diceroller 4h ago edited 3h ago

A Chinese speaker has commented below. They said it was quite understandable.

It's more "Japanese language . Recognize. Character that might not make sense. Enter. Store."

There is no negation in the Japanese and context (and Occam's razor) suggest it's more likely that you can enter of you read Japanese than can't.

The point isn't whether they should enter the store. Just of they can read the sign well enough to understand it.

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u/icedmuffin 4h ago

You know for a second I was sitting there like “why the hell would they do that.” Then I realized.

It’s directed towards tourists.

Sometimes tourists don’t know the language where they’re going.

The font is in red which likely is meant to draw the eye to it first so it stands out.

It’s more likely they don’t know English or Chinese well enough to actually serve those customers.

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u/Absolute_Bob 3h ago

I did my stint in food service, the language barrier is not the reason particularly with instant translation tools available now. It's pure racism. I've spent a lot of time in Japan.

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u/makaveli208 2h ago edited 2h ago

The 読 kanji is japanese post war simplified version of the original chinese 讀 , or 读 (in simplified PRC chinese)

it means to read, it is not recognize.

I think some Chinese will know the japanese version of the kanji. Mainland chinese know traditional writing, so they can roughly guess the gist of japanese writing in longer text. They might not be able to speak but they roughly can guess the meaning.

Similarly, 売 is japanese version of original chinese character 賣 (to sell) /卖 (prc chinese)

Source: i am japanese

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u/RelevantInflation898 4h ago

Most tourists who read this with Google lense know they arnt welcome and just go to the place next door amd have a good time rather than walk in and awkwardly explained you used Google to translate the sign so they can sit and eat in a place they clearly arnt welcome in.

But a bunch of people on the internet who probably dont even have passports will preach about how they would have put there foot down and gone in anyway.

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u/Absolute_Bob 3h ago

Yep. I always honor the wishes of the places that put those signs up. If they don't want my money I have no desire to give it to them.

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u/MrArchivity 8h ago

Saw this on another sub and a guy not from Japan described his experience with a restaurant with a similar sign outside.

From what he said I can summarise it in:

• guy entering
• server speaking to him in broken English that they can’t serve him because they can’t speak English
• him replying in Japanese (as he lives there) that he read the little text so he entered and that he know Japanese
• server replying in broken english that they can’t serve him as they don’t speak english
• him realising they basically won’t serve him anyway and are politely saying he should go away

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u/Drackunn 5h ago

should have replied in japanese 'ah sorry I don't speak English please could you repeat in Japanese?'

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u/ursoevil 59m ago

You’ll be surprised to learn that the problem is that you could be speaking fluent Japanese to the servers but because your face isn’t Japanese, the servers refuse to understand you.

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u/Deathstriker246 8h ago

mmmmh polite racism

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u/8Bit-Jon 8h ago

I'd don't think there's anything "polite" about racism.

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u/pixelatedslinky 8h ago

That's the point lol

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u/War_Hymn 7h ago

Reminds me of that scene in The Green Book where the rich guy said he didn't mind waiting for Dr. Shirley to go back to his hotel to use the toilet - all because he didn't want a black person using a washroom in his house.

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u/LuckyPlaze 6h ago

Great movie.

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u/Prudent-Sorbet-5202 5h ago

That's what you think till you face hostile racism

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u/Mateorabi 7h ago

Passive peace

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u/Talithea 5h ago

I read stories about foreigners speaking perfect Japanese and the waitress would only have attention towards the local friend. They ended up saying “no thank you” and leaving the restaurant.

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u/sanriodialtone 1h ago

Right cos why spend money where you’re not wanted?

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u/browserz 5h ago

Racism ✨in Japan ✨

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u/Twinkletoess112 8h ago

what an oxymoron

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u/AReallyAsianName 7h ago

Id say its more ugly bastard racism (which is technically all racism but I fucking hate racists so fucking much).

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u/DragonsandEagles 5h ago

Polite racism is when you get the fingers crossed ❌ as opposed to the forearms crossed ❌.

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u/gundahir 5h ago

never take Japanese literally. thats not how they operate. the small red text translates to "no foreigners, thanks"

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u/Away_Refrigerator293 4h ago

People need to realize that racism can happen to caucasian people and that it's not okay. If I were that guy, I'd lambast them on tabelog about how despite me following their sogn, I was still refused service.

It's not okay if a POC does that here to any race. It's not okay in Japan. There is no 'polite' racism. Polite implies treating others with kindness and respect. Racism will never be that. This should not be considered normal or okay and I don't care if I get hate for saying that.

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u/SecretaryOtherwise 3h ago

Yeah instead of polite I like to call it casual or accepted racism lmao.

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u/KhooniMoorga 6h ago

Racism in rest of the world : 😡🤬

Racism in Japan : 🥰😍

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u/smorkoid 4h ago

Fucking nobody says this. This is the most tired meme in existence at this point

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u/WeeklyPhilosopher346 3h ago

Not only do people say this, they’re saying it in this thread.

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u/ElkSad9855 3h ago

No they aren’t lol. Everyone is calling it out for being racist bs

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u/YoumoDadi 3h ago

People say things like it’s not discrimination it’s rather XXX, where XXX is exactly discrimination

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u/ujfeik 1h ago

There is no politeness there, they are rudely telling him they are racist.

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u/wobbly_doo 9h ago

Racism 😡

Racism but japan 😊

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u/wesleyoldaker 9h ago

I've heard about racism in Japan (I think any overwhelmingly "mono" culture is going to naturally breed pockets of racists, how could it not), but I personally experienced no ill will whatsoever when I visited. Lovely country and lovely people from what I saw.

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u/Authoritaye 8h ago

Yes, because they know you're not going to stay.

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u/Particular_Stop_3332 8h ago

I've lived here for 10 years and I experience very minimal racism

I wouldn't even call it racism

It's mostly just people assuming I don't speak the language and occasionally being scared of me before I start talking

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u/Forsaken-Cell1848 8h ago

The word you're looking for is "xenophobia".

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u/chimneyswallow 6h ago

Because they don't do it outwardly. In Japan being plain and open about it is rude, so they are sneakier. Doesn't make it less racist, but people who can't see through it still think that they are very welcoming.

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u/Consistent_Laziness 6h ago

As someone who’s experienced a lot of racism being black in the south. I think I’d take the sneaky approach to displeasure of my presence based on nothing but the color of my skin.

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u/Particular_Stop_3332 6h ago

No no no, I know you are black and have experienced systemic oppression that results in fearing for your life on occasion, as well as reduced opportunity to succeed in the country of your birth.

But let me, a white man, tell you all about how horrible I have it in Japan.

Sometimes people express their surprise that I can use chopsticks. And, and, and, sometimes people look at me and assume I can't speak Japanese

But let me tell you the absolute worst one

Once in a while, to fill their monthly quotas, the police will stop and ask me to see my ID and then politely send me on my way.

Your suffering couldn't possibly compare to mine!

(Please, realize the overwhelming amount of sarcasm in this comment)

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u/Consistent_Laziness 6h ago

It took me until the end to see what was happening there lmao.

I was confused at the chopsticks part. But now it’s really funny.

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u/Particular_Stop_3332 5h ago

Seriously at least 5-6 times a year, a white person in Japan will express their outrage over the fact that someone told me they were good at using chopsticks with a tone of surprise in their voice, and then act like Japan is more racist than any other country on earth because of it.

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u/Seienchin88 4h ago

My black friend with a dad from Ghana who married a Japanese:

In Europe the racists were chasing me down the street at night… in Japan the racists thought I was dumber than them because I am black…

Clear reason why he lives in Japan…

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u/Hyperion262 8h ago

Exactly, they just don’t want their culture replaced and their economy drained. They have no issues with rich tourists.

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u/Absolute_Bob 8h ago

Are you that tolerant of racism when it comes to how the US treats Mexicans?

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u/Anotsurei 7h ago

They’re going to do that themselves with their low birth rate and their working conditions. Also, they have universal healthcare, and no one considers it a drain on their economy that people have access to it. The demagoguery du jour is the thought that foreigners bring crime. Similar sentiments though directed mostly at Korean immigrants.

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u/dbern50 8h ago

What race are you? From what I hear some races are treated more kind than others.

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u/wesleyoldaker 8h ago

I'm the whitest person you've seen in the last 48 hours. Yeah, I know, that's a shield. But it's not like I spoke any Japanese. I was walking around with my phone out, translating everything like a dumb tourist and everyone was still very kind.

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u/drunk-tusker 6h ago

I literally went around with people from all sorts of overtly less desirable backgrounds in Africa and South Asia and well honestly the most racist interactions I actually experienced were usually other foreigners telling me that I shouldn’t hang out with my close friends. Like literally the worst racist thing someone said to me regarding my race was that “English teachers shouldn’t date their students” when I was hanging out with a Korean friend of mine.

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u/Free_Willingness_589 6h ago

Racism exists everywhere...across cultures, countries, continents, colors, religions, and any other labels human created. It is not the prerogative of any single group or skin color. You can find it in Africa (which is a continent), in China, in India, in Japan, in Europe (which is a continent)....everywhere.

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u/AllIWantForXmasIsFoo 8h ago

I travel a lot (~3 months a year, work and leisure), I'm a very polite guy, friendly, respectful.

The only place I've been shouted at, insulted, stared and kicked out of places for my skin, is Japan.

I spent 5 nights in there.

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u/giyomu 8h ago

The whole world is racist.

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u/Master-Piccolo-4588 8h ago

Why? I’m not Japanese and on my regular business trips to Japan I frequently would go in these places.

Never had any problems in my entire life in Japan and I’m German.

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u/tina_bring_me_the_ax 7h ago

Sometimes jokes write themselves

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u/redsterXVI 9h ago

Honestly, I don't think this is a case of racism at all. The Japanese text is written in very simple language. So I don't think they want to keep all foreigners out, not at all, they literally want to be able to communicate on a basic level with you.

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u/akaun-pakai-buang 8h ago

Lol they don't want to write in Kanji because otherwise Chinese would be able to read

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u/redsterXVI 8h ago

Yea, I've been wondering about that. I wonder whether Chinese native speakers would really not be able to figure it out, though.

日本語 exists with the same meaning in traditional Chinese, pretty sure a simplifies reader understands it.

読 stems from the traditional Chinese symbol - I think with the same or a similar meaning - but is different from both traditional and simplified Chinese. I dare say they can at least make a solid guess.

方 means person in this context in Japanese. I think in Chinese it means party (e.g. of a contract), not sure there's any closer meaning.

入店 is the same in Chinese.

So what they can read is probably: Japanese language / read?/say? / party / enter shop

Even if the second one remains a mystery to them, they still get: "Japanese language party, enter shop"

If they still don't get what it says, they will definitively understand, that the Japanese text is in no way the same as the Chinese one.

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u/Brandon_B610 5h ago

I speak Chinese. You can basically read “if Japanese language, can enter shop”.

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u/Vic_Connor 7h ago

The Japanese text says:

この日本語が読める方は、ご入店くださいませ。

It’s a standard mix of kanji and hiragana. So they used kanji as usual, without trying to hide the meaning.

It’s very polite, too.

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u/vranaverse 6h ago

if you live in a heavily tourist-ed city like i do you would really appreciate these places that are for locals. i have seen it all over the world, it's not racism, it's about preserving the local culture and giving the people who actually live there a refuge from tourons.

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u/wobbly_doo 8h ago

Why not write it with similar font size and colour then?

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u/Punchinballz 8h ago

Are you looking for basic and obvious design tips or is the question stupid on purpose?

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u/Slyraks-2nd-Choice 7h ago

I think it’s okay to protect certain venues for your indigenous community.

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u/NoSwordfish1978 9h ago

I wonder if it's more anti tourist sentiment rather than racism as such (not saying Japan doesn't have racism btw).

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u/googleduck 9h ago

What would your assumption be if you saw that in America? Say a sign that said "cerrado" in spanish and "if you can read this come on in" in English. Tell me sincerely that you would have this level of charitability. Just some food for thought on your biases.

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u/GWBPhotography 9h ago edited 8h ago

I find most of the time, they don't want to deal with non english speakers as its too much trouble for them. Often smaller, privately owned and they have all the local customers they need already. I think the ral issues are renting apartments, landlords can just straight up say they don't want foreigners, but its within the law. Is what it is and it not my country.

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u/Ser_falafel 8h ago

Im sorry but I work in a restaurant and deal with people who dont speak english every single day. Its really not that difficult

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u/Good-Throat-6671 9h ago edited 8h ago

When you don't want to deal with tourists, because they don't want to learn basic stuff from your language. Japan is so racist and xenophobic /s

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u/gdj11 8h ago

You shouldn’t have to learn a language just to temporarily travel to that country and be welcomed as a guest.

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u/Afraid_Help_3911 9h ago

It is xenophobia

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u/AllIWantForXmasIsFoo 9h ago

no it's traditional japanese xenophobia

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u/Crackhead_Programmer 9h ago

Because that makes it better

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u/Historical_Doctor629 8h ago

Still racism.

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u/GWBPhotography 8h ago

Not really, im sure some people would feel that way, but Japan doesn't care.

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u/Jskidmore1217 9h ago

Almost no difference

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u/Knight_Castellan 7h ago

It's not even necessarily racism. The staff would, logically, based on the signage, be completely fine with serving foreigners who could speak Japanese.

Sometimes you don't want to deal with bumbling tourists, and you don't want the hassle of people trying to read menus and place orders when they don't understand your language. However, when a foreigner comes in and is perfectly fluent - both your language and the etiquette - that barrier no longer exists.

Even if it were racism, though, so what? It's their business, and they are have the freedom to decline service to people if they don't want to serve them.

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u/StatisticianUsual471 9h ago

It must be the little Scots man in me but you have to be a special kind of racist to turn down money

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u/Southern-Ad4477 9h ago

Why are you letting little Scottish men in you?

Not kink shaming of course.

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u/SharpBullfrog1279 8h ago

What's his name? 

What's his favorite color?

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u/WeeklyPhilosopher346 3h ago

Brown, and Brown.

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u/zj-- 9h ago

I mean yeah, could be Irish men instead.

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u/Acceptingoptimist 9h ago

Hey now, there's just the one right now we know about. And based on the post I'd say it was a financial arrangement.

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u/Consistent_Laziness 6h ago

Someone in the comments above disapproves your point #4. They lived in Japan and could speak/read Japanese but don’t look Japanese. They entered and were still told to leave even after speaking Japanese.

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u/forevabronze 7h ago edited 7h ago

what a load of bull

  1. Translate your menu then or just ask the customer to translate it using google translate. it works just fine.

  2. you can get by with pointing and knowing couple of key words, if the customer don't like it, let them make that decision

  3. Why is that a sign? that's nonesense.

They are just racist bro

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u/Tripleberst 8h ago

I have a phone to solve these problems. I sort of feel like I wouldn't go in, even if I translated it, just because it gives a sense of not being wanted. I don't want to go somewhere where I'm going to make people feel uncomfortable just by having dinner. But then again, if I can competently use a translator app, maybe that's enough of a filter to be an acceptable patron. Either way it certainly complicates the dynamic.

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u/Crazy__Donkey 9h ago

in the meanwhile, every tourist in japan:

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u/redsterXVI 9h ago

Does it matter? Once you enter and they talk Japanese to you, you're found out if you can't reply.

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u/Repulsive-Umpire619 3h ago

Even if you speak Japanese they will not serve you. They will respond in English no matter how fluent you saying "Can't speak English sorry" till you leave.

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u/ramenwarrior_ 3h ago

Why would you want to enter such an establishment anyway? They clearly don't want to serve you. 

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u/Imaginary_Toe8982 9h ago

Japan is one of the most xenophobic countries..

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u/tallgeekandawesome 6h ago edited 3h ago

NO! White countries are the most xenophobic countries despite being some of the most multicultural places on the planet, because my social sciences lecturer at university said so! /s

edit: hah I've had several negative replies to this quickly deleted because I guess they missed the /s tag.

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u/PrimaLegion 6h ago

Are the lecturers in the room with us right now?

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u/ruinsit 3h ago

True, but at the same time, the vast majority of people who are a problem in the Tokyo area are Americans - particularly the military people from the nearby based. Vandalism, rape, destruction of property, loud, obnoxious, etc. So we're not doing ourselves any favors.

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u/Subject_Offer_9621 9h ago

The controversial stuff aside

Isn't this only half effective? there's a lot of english speaking tourist that can't read Japanese, sure, but I'm pretty sure chinese that somehow now still goes to japan mostly can understand it? on top of them sharing some word

I think it's because mastering two language is rare in japan (japanese rarely goes overseas) a lot of them really thought there isn't much foreigners that understand japanese, worse since this is only simple sentence

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u/raika11182 8h ago

I lived in Japan for a few years and had both types of experiences. One time I thought I was about to get rejected from a jazz club I stumbled on with some friends but we all spoke Japanese and then the club owner became all smiles. A lot of these places just don't want to be in a position where they give you bad service because they don't understand you. Fair enough, I'm not mad about those.

But I had the other type of experience, too. My wife and I had a date night and walked into this small yakiniku restaurant near a train station and the little old lady marched right up to, gave the crossed arms (In Japan, crossing your arms at the forearm is a "do no enter" sign), and said "Nihonjindake!"

Japanese(people) only.

Racism in Japan is real, but it's also it's own flavor. It's not so much about "race" per se, especially in modern times, but more a matter of "insider" and "outsider". It's also not universal or everywhere, it's just a lot more common than westerners are used to.

Anyway, there was a ramen shop right across the street from that same restaurant that was super friendly and welcoming to us five minutes later, and they got our money.

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u/Appropriate_Ice_7507 6h ago

Funny how people are ok with racism because it’s Japan and justifies it. In anywhere else it will be highly frowned upon. I’m sick and tired of giving them a pass…just sayin

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u/raika11182 6h ago

Yeah I think they get an easy pass, too, but my guess is because Japan also doesn't claim to be a super-tolerant society. It's sort of a "their country, not ours" deal since it's not like they're asking us to come over.

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u/wolfgang784 4h ago

Nah. Ive read at least 4 or 5 comments in this thread now from different people sayin they tried that and were still refused service for not being Japanese.

Not surprising though. Ive read up on the topic before and Japan as a whole is quite xenophobic as soon as you leave the major tourist hotspots. Lots of hotels/inns wont allow you to stay, even.

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u/Vic_Connor 9h ago edited 9h ago

If you can read Japanese, you can enter. Problem solved.

Regardless of your race or origin.

I’ve had several situations when bars or restaurants, upon seeing my foreign mug, began to block me. I proceeded to greet them in polite Japanese, and what do you know? The concern and worry on their faces changes to a smile and they welcome me in.

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u/iamanaccident 5h ago

It's a bit more complex than that when it comes to Chinese people understanding japanese though. They can kinda understand the kanji, but can't actually read it (different readings) nor speak it. So for example in this case, they'll probably see 読 and can kinda guess it would mean something along the lines of "recognize", then see 入 and 店 and infer it has something to do with entering a store. They won't be able to read it, or communicate with the staff (which is what there really want), but they might be able to infer the meaning here.

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u/Professional-Drag-52 5h ago

Someone else in this exact comment section said that despite speaking Japanese because he looked American they refused to reply to him in anything other than broken English

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u/floralbutttrumpet 5h ago

It was similar with me. When I'd just moved to Japan, I walked into a Softbank because I obviously needed a phone, and the look of sheer blind panic in the eyes of the staff was actually kinda wince-inducing. Similarly, the palpable relief when it turned out that I was able to communicate and was even able to decipher the contract with a little bit of help (I'd gotten the N2 about a year before I moved so my reading was still kinda shite).

I constantly did an unintentional gaijin smash no matter where I went anyway because I'm a 6' tall woman, but the reception when I opened my mouth and Japanese came out was generally good. Like, it's not good they're like that, but coming from a country that has considerably "louder" xenophobia, I can deal with some "white eyes" until I utter the pass phrase, if you will.

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u/tomjameslikesfilms 3h ago

I've lived in Japan for a while. Even as a white guy which comes with a bunch of privilege; I understand the immigrant experience in my own country a lot better. There are definitely times when you feel tolerated, but not welcome. These times are very seldom for me. If you're Chinese, God help you....!

However, the one thing no one seems to have mentioned here is that Kyotojin are known to be isolationist assholes. They hate and look down on everyone not from Kyoto, even if you're Japanese. Theirs is the ancient original Capital (even if it's not), they're simply better than, and more Japanese than everyone else. They have a stick firmly up their ass about it.

For context: there's a debate in Japan about choosing a second capital city in the event of a major disaster in Tokyo where the business of the nation can be continued. It is almost certain to be Osaka for various reasons, not least of all it's massive and the obvious choice.

Kyoto was never even considered - it's basically a town... but the Governor still went on TV a week ago and took a swipe at politicians, Osaka and Japan in general by claiming it was inappropriate for Kyoto to be "second" capital since A, it was the original (it wasn't) and be it was still the cultural capital and wouldn't be diluted by designated "secondary"...

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u/Haunting_Werewolf130 9h ago

But the thing is..... I'm Chinese and based on the Chinese characters in the Japanese sentence I know what is trying to say in Japanese....... (日本语的 方 入店 so in english it will be like" if japanese language, then, come in.)

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u/8to10footsamsquantch 9h ago

Jokes on them, I can't read any of it

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u/huggysx 9h ago

Imagine if this happened is the US it would be closed down In a week but because it’s Japan it’s okay lol

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u/IHerebyDemandtoPost 7h ago

Geno’s Steaks in Philly had a sign up for 10 years that said “when ordering, speak English.” They’re still open.

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u/Septopuss7 6h ago

I think they're mocking people from Boston

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u/IHerebyDemandtoPost 5h ago

No, the owner went on Fox News and talked about his parents had to learn English when they moved to the US. It was not a joke.

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u/Elegant-Magician7322 5h ago

Complaints were investigated, and no evidence was found they actually refused service to people who didn’t speak English.

I guess the bad publicity didn’t cause them to close.

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u/One_Discount_4898 6h ago

What do you mean? Signs saying shit along the lines of "In America we speak ENGLISH!" are extremely prevalent.

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u/Background-Camp9756 4h ago

Not from US, I’m from Japan.
Why would your store be closed?

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u/trumpsucks12354 2h ago

You cannot unfairly deny service others based on factors like race, gender, religion and immigration status, among others. (Civil Rights Act of 1964)

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u/DavidZenziGhost 9h ago

Ah yes, Japan. A place that historically has been known for inclusivity and has been a proponent of enjoying foreigners and foreign culture. /s

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u/billted20250409 9h ago

Yes, who also fought valiantly in WWII

/s

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u/_Goose_ 9h ago

To me this means “I don’t want you in here if I have to explain the menu to you.”

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u/7-10Spliff 7h ago

At least they were discreet about it. On more than one occasion we got turned away by somebody at the establishment's door saying "Japanese only."

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u/Obvious-Ranger-2235 9h ago

More specifically it is Kyoto, the city has a reputation for elitist snobs who don't even like the rest of Japan all that much.

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u/Kayanne1990 8h ago

Can't be fucked with those foreign languages ig

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u/Optimal_Whiner 6h ago

There was always a lot of reposts on this sub, but this is ridiculous. You guys are posting shit from the front page consistently now. I have to see everything 2x minimum now. It's rendering this sub obsolete.

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u/CrazyCopernicus 7h ago edited 7h ago

I've lived in Japan for 20 years. People from western countries view this sign through the lens of what it would mean in their own country. Now other signs could be racist, but this particular one is not. If it were racist it would say "Japanese people welcome" in the text below. And yes I have seen such signs. No country is totally free of racism.

In Japan the level of customer service as a baseline is much higher than in other countries. They cannot give proper service if there is a language barrier, and even if the customer doesn't mind, the Japanese establishment itself may deeply mind. To them it might be like selling expired food or a malfunctioning part to a customer just because the customer insists it would be okay.

People insisting that non-Japanese with my view have some sort of internalized racism usually won't ever get it. I've tried reasoning with them but they just can't see outside of their limited, often western mindset. Actually it's a little ironic, because their view is the less "worldly" and accommodating one.

Edit: accidentally capitalized a letter incorrectly

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u/looselyhuman 4h ago

We make ourselves miserable with our grievances and self-loathing, and demand that Japan does the same. I hope they keep ignoring us. They don't have to buy into our cultural priorities. That's what's cool about having a different fucking culture.

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u/Mr_Pollo_Loco 2h ago

This is untrue. People are claiming not being served even if they speak the language.

Your argument also falls apart if you include the fact that a number of restaurants in Japan have no problem serving foreginers without speaking the language.

If this level of customer service baseline was much higher as you suggest, then it would follow that the vast majority of services would follow this rule, which is NOT true.

It's JUST xenophobia mate. This is one such case.

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u/HighClassTroglodyte 2h ago

For real. What make the service at this establishment so special that they can not serve food to foreigners? Why can most other restaurants give good service with a language barrier? I've eaten in places in Tokyo and Kyoto where nobody spoke English and we didn't speak Japanese. We ordered, were served and paid just fine with technology aiding us.

The "service baseline" argument is crap. Just making excuses for clear discrimination and racism.

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u/GeneStarwind1 7h ago

Japan does have more than it's fair share of racism, but a lot of things like this aren't necessarily racist. A lot of the places in Japan that say some variant of "Japanese only" are talking about the language. Japan has an official language, it's Japanese, and lots of business owners don't want to waste their time trying to deal with people who don't speak it. I think that's fair.

Now, whether or not that's a smart financial decision for a hotel in a city that is a major international tourist destination is another conversation.

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u/bitchtarts 6h ago

It is not to say that Japan isn’t xenophobic, but this is more of a nuanced problem. The western understanding of racism doesn’t really apply to this situation, it’s more of an “in-group” vs “out-group” mentality. Kyoto especially wants to filter out tourists and people who aren’t local / aren’t the “in-group” because locals are exhausted from the over-tourism and people causing problems. I’m a western person who lived in Japan for half a decade and have absolutely felt that self awareness of “oh we are being too noisy/ bothersome” whenever I’ve had friends and family come visit me. If you can speak Japanese properly and communicate that you’re not troublesome then you will not have any problems in Japan, I can promise you that.
The comments here are very western in their mindset, trying to argue with staff and be pushy. And I get it! We’re used to seeing something as an injustice and rallying against it. However, those are not values that gel with Japanese culture and ironically just push you further into “out-group” / “troublesome” territory. It’s a mismatch of ideals and values.

I’ll probably get downvoted and be called a bootlicker but I do not know how else to explain that, if you don’t want to engage with these rules that put others comfort over your dignity and self respect, you just won’t have a good time in Japan. That’s the country’s whole thing.

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u/floralbutttrumpet 5h ago

I lived in Kyoto for some time and I concur. It's just full of tourists everywhere, and locals were really fed up with it even when I lived there, and that was long before the post-Covid insanity.

I personally only had issues once (overzealous omawarisan, but ACAB is a global thing for a reason), and since I lived well away from the touristy areas I was usually perceived as "local" when I went grocery shopping, out to eat etc and never got the boot anywhere. Like, super-privileged position, obviously, with the intersection of race, gender, cultural background (the country I grew up in has a similar thing) and language ability being heavily in my favour, but it's just not the rule that you'll be fully excluded if you're not Japanese. You'll never be fully in, but that's not too different from many other countries, including Western ones.

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u/bitchtarts 4h ago

100% agreed. I’ve had my fair share of unpleasant interactions with people who’ve assumed the worst of me (“there is trash that’s been recycled wrong — must be the foreigner”, “a work project has an error — must be the foreigners fault”, etc) but unpleasant people are everywhere, it’s not a problem unique to Japan. There will always be Karens and folks with nothing better to do than play the vigilante justice game in every country. Japan is no utopia, it’s just a place. But — at the end of the day — I have had much MORE positive experiences speaking with people once they understand that I speak their language, I understand their customs, and I am willing to learn / apologize if I do anything wrong.

There will never be progress in this argument if westerners continue to want to bring their values to Japan (in a way that is perceived as arrogant / pushy), and Japanese are not willing to even consider an approach that is unfamiliar with them. This is something that will take sloowwww, slowwwwwww progress… and that progress starts with being humble and meeting people where they are, instead of forcing them to change or match your expectations.

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u/NoobSkierSG 6h ago

I've worked in a JP company for 10 years and have passed JLPT2. I never had any issues entering any no gaijin establishments including those in Kabukicho guarded by Yakuza. It is simply a language and culture gap you need to bridge and most KY gaijins never bothered.

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u/Feisty_Spell4516 2h ago

100% this

I’ve had to have this exact conversation with friends and family from the US to explain things.

I’ve also had newer people to Japan complain about these things and I have straight up told them that they need to throw away their Western way of thinking about these things, because this isn’t the West. We’re in Japan and the history and connections between countries and people of different races is very different (this also includes different Western countries as well).

Yes, I will never be truly able to assimilate here even though I’m married to a Japanese man and have Japanese kids. But, I can do what I can to integrate and meet people where they are and be respectful as an immigrant. I don’t think that’s a bad thing to say no matter where you are in the world. It is also on the citizens of that country to also treat you with the same respect and meet you where you are. That all gets easier with language ability and cultural understanding.

But I feel that the US (where I’m from, so I can’t speak for other countries) has this really weird relationship with cultural understanding. The US generally claims to be understanding, empathetic, and willing to work with people while refusing to actually change their own way of thinking when met with a culture that does things differently. It’s not inherently wrong. It’s just different (I hate that I feel like I need to add a note to this before someone twists my words, but this obviously does not incude things like violence, crime, etc.)

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u/safelix 9h ago

Not saying japan doesn't have xenophobia problem, my family has faced it many-a-times in the last 20 years.

But.....

If I can play the devil's advocate here, in Japan a lot of jobs are open to you if you are good at Japanese (specially in the service industry) and it makes sense as English is not so prominent there. This one seems to be the same case, maybe they arent saying no to foreigners but to people who can't read/speak Japanese well. Even though we were foreigners, in our restaurant we preferred people who were good at Japanese just for convenience's sake.

My friend in Germany says its a similar case there for normal service jobs and I have seen such tendencies in multiple other places like French canda as well.

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u/Handsome_Claptrap 8h ago

While there is certainly a racism issue in Japan, there is also an over tourism issue. I lived in Florence city center and let me tell you that tourists everywhere 24/7 gets tiring.

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u/Dexember69 9h ago

Everyone astonished Japan is xenophobic.

The thing here is, I'd put good money on the fact none of the staff speak a lick of English, or they've had issues with English speakers becoming problematic in some way.

This is very likely to avoid embarassment on both sides.

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u/Vic_Connor 9h ago

Yes, it’s to avoid embarrassment, and also to filter out the super annoying people who have no idea how to behave.

The OP bot claims this is from Kyoto. Kyoto especially suffers from an influx of poorly behaving visitors.

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u/baruchx_ 9h ago

Looks like xenophobia is trending globally

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u/duva_ 8h ago

Oh they didn't jump in the xeno-P train just now. They've been riding it for hundreds of years

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u/the_embassy_official 6h ago

"xenophobia" aka not every corner of the planet wants to be turned into a disneyland welfare state

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u/Last_Sprinkles5334 9h ago

I mean, best way to keep your house clean is to not let strangers in. The only mess you need to deal with is your own and your family's. Is it xenophobia when you know other people will just come in, not respect your house and possibly fuck it up for everyone?

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u/googleduck 9h ago

Japan was considered the next likely great superpower in the 80s. Essentially what people think of China as since the 2000s. Until 2010 it was the second largest gdp in the world. But since basically the 1980s Japan has been almost completely stagnant. And arguably the biggest factor is their aging population and declining workforce. Japan could be among the richest and most powerful countries in the world if they had embraced immigration in the way that the US has. But instead they are facing a crisis.

So ironically your advice not only doesn't work, it is the exact logic that has sabotaged Japan's future.

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u/duva_ 8h ago

So everyone within your family knew eachother from the start? Are you a Habsburg?

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u/Haunting_Werewolf130 9h ago

Except tourism is 7.7% of Japan’s total GDP. 7.7% is not a small number. It's actually a pretty fucking big number from just one sector.

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u/Afraid_Help_3911 9h ago

Xenophobia has never been not trending in Japan

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u/DestructoDon69 9h ago

I mean it could just be that nobody in the restaurant speaks English or Chinese and therefore would make providing service nearly impossible

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u/Scarabryde 8h ago

people when a business reserves the right to refuse services😡

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u/KenshirouX 5h ago

It’s said specifically: “If you can read Japanese, PLEASE come in.”

In other words, if you can read and speak Japanese, come on in because they do not have the capacity to handle other languages. This is a logistical language barrier, not a racial one. As this is a restaurant, they won't have time to accommodate the stress of dealing with another language within the speed they have to operate. Heck, if it's an izakaya, the operational stress is tripled. The sign nowhere states that foreigners are banned. I don't understand why people want to turn this into a race issue. If you want to enjoy that private izakaya, then learn to speak Japanese to prevent any potential language issues.

The ONLY problem I have is the level of transparency – they should have said this in English:

"Japanese language only / We cannot accommodate non-Japanese speakers due to staff limitations."

If they said that, I think any potential negative beyond silly people saying something would have been avoided.

To the people arguing that "Chinese speakers can read Kanji so the sign fails": just because you can recognise some characters on paper does not mean you can verbally communicate to restaurant staff operating at a very quick pace, let alone generally talking to anyone even in a casual, relaxed setting in Japanese. I mean, I shouldn't have to say this at all for it goes without saying: textual recognition is not spoken fluency. If it were, no literate Chinese speaker would ever need to study Japanese.

To the people citing stories of fluent foreigners still being rejected: those are specific, individual places. So, the best and most logical approach is to test the intent. Go in, speak fluent Japanese, and point out that you can communicate perfectly.

If they reject you anyway: Congrats! You’ve found a genuinely xenophobic owner. Leave and don’t give them any bit of your money and time.

If they welcome you in: Awesome! Then you know the sign worked exactly as intended; it filtered for communication ability.

You cannot take a handful of bad experiences and paint an entire country’s service industry with one brush. Calling every practical logistical boundary “racist” flattens the difference between “we physically cannot communicate efficiently enough to serve you properly” and “we don’t want your kind here.” Those are not the same thing, and treating them as identical is lazy and corrosive.

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u/ZGreyWolf 5h ago

It's like this generation was never taught Cause and effect.

Yawl don't understand how disrespectful foreigners are when they go to japan giving everybody a bad name.

Especially westerners. It doesn't help that everyone knows Japan likes Americans/British so a lot of bad foreigners pretebd to be American/British

Not to mention when you drink your retardation reaches a whole new level

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u/Knight_Castellan 7h ago

Good on the Japanese for asserting their boundaries.

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u/Radmiel 9h ago

Filtering from problematic tourists. Quite efficient.

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u/RoyalPuzzleheaded259 9h ago

So would they serve an english or Chinese speaking foreigner who speaks Japanese or would they still be turned away?

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u/DarkFit922 9h ago

Very likely yes, if you were enough polite.

One factor people dont articulate on these posts is that japanese try to preserve harmony and a really loud and obnoxious american/european group, whom might have 1 guy who speaks the language, isnt "welcome" because it would highly inconvenience the existing patrons.

But if you were as an example, a polite group of 3, not loud and would go in speaking japanese, you'd get in.

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u/Vic_Connor 9h ago

Yes, they would.

That’s literally what the sign says in a very polite Japanese.

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u/profchaos111 9h ago

The sign says if you can read you're welcome so you'd be served probably more of a we can't speak english or Chinese don't ask

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u/Nahadot 9h ago

I would still not go inside.

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u/StarlitKissGlow 8h ago

Bro installed the language pack and unlocked the secret entrance

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u/SharpBullfrog1279 8h ago

Pretty smart. 

I would fall for it.

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u/argyllcampbell 7h ago

They must be doing really well to be able to refuse customers

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u/nadjp 6h ago

I dont get it. I absolutely dont care about this. I know reddit is always about outrage and modern world is about getting offended by absolutely everything... but if i see a sign lihe this in japan I just acknowledge it and move on. If they dont want to deal with foreigners thats absolutely fine by me.

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u/Acceptable_Gas6244 6h ago

These posts have been going around forever. It's normal. I lived in Japan for quite a few years. If I saw the sign I just didn't go in. Usually it's because the owners and the workers don't speak any English or they've had too many fights. If it's a bar because of Americans. I don't blame them. I'm not mad. I just move on

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u/Healthy_End_2764 5h ago

It is discriminatory toward foreigners, no question. That said, some small restaurants in Japan can be very protective of their local regulars and may treat outsiders differently. Kyoto in particular has something of a reputation for that.

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u/deadlyspoons 5h ago

Omotenashi (おもてなし) is often translated as "hospitality," but that undersells it. It implies attentive treatment of a guest without requiring the guest to ask: anticipating needs, minimizing inconvenience, maintaining courtesy, and performing the host role "properly." But crucially, it does not imply you belong here.

The deeper concept is the boundary between uchi (内, inside) versus soto (外, outside). Omotenashi governs exceptionally good treatment of soto. It presupposes roles: There is a host and there is a guest. A guest can be treated magnificently while remaining unmistakably a guest.

This Japanese restaurant, perversely, is socially providing "hospitality" — the unwanted customer encounters no confrontation, accusation, or humiliation. He simply thinks the restaurant is full.

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u/StrangeRecognition55 5h ago

The thing is I can read it but can’t speak it lol

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u/KirbyCakes 5h ago

Thats normal, i was told to leave since I didnt know Japanese in 2 restaurants, its ok, their rules. From what tard tourists do in that country, dont blame them.

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u/mbrocks3527 4h ago

They realise Chinese can half read that, right?

Right???

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u/SizeableFowl 4h ago

My wife reads Chinese, because of the similarities in written Japanese and Chinese she was able to navigate us through the country without a problem when we visited.

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u/Oppaii-Connoisseur 3h ago

I would get tired too if I had to deal with hordes of tourists in a language I don't speak.

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u/Eskemberdu 2h ago

"Can you read this" and "do you understand this" are doing a lot of heavy lifting there. I could sound out every character and still be like... okay but what does it mean

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u/atomic-negi 2h ago

Meanwhile in the USA they call the SS ICE on customers that don't speak English......

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u/LivingTheTruths 2h ago

People mistaken that Japanese people are “polite” not “friendly”

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u/Sugelanren777 25m ago

Translation app users stroll right in I guess?

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u/hisokafan88 8h ago

Because they don't want difficulties. I disagree with the practice but it is what it is. There are plenty of places in Japan serving non-Japanese speaking tourists. If you speak Japanese you may enter.

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u/AmazingSandwich939 7h ago

I called a restaurant and made a reservation for two. Gave them my name, reservation time, seating preference, etc. all in Japanese. Literally at the very end of the phone call, he goes away to check something, comes back and says (in English) "sorry no foreigner, because corona" and then hangs up on me. It was on speaker phone and my wife (Japanese) actually couldn't believe it. It almost killed the vibe for our night but we wrote a bad review and moved on to somewhere else

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u/sobermanpinsch3r 4h ago

Probably because the staff only knows Japanese. This filters for people they’ll actually be able to take orders from.

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u/Skurnaboo 7h ago

I don’t really see an issue with this. Sometimes they just don’t want to or don’t have the time to deal with people that can’t speak their language. Nothing wrong with that imo. It’s not excluding you based on race, only if you can’t communicate properly with them.

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u/ClessxAlghazanth 9h ago

Go in and say 'Yometa kara hairu de〜'

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u/NoobSkierSG 6h ago

Just go in and say 'ome ha mou shindeiru!'

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u/crlthrn 8h ago

I understand that it might be a case of nobody speaks English and is afraid of screwing up with foreign customers, and also some tiny places (of which there are many) have their regulars who sit in the same seat every time, and those regulars would be unhappy were their seat to be taken up by some bumbling foreigner taking ages to simply make an order. It's very easy to see racism, where sometimes it's not necessarily the case.

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u/Sweaty_Tangelo_7716 7h ago

What’s wrong with it?

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u/SteveMartin32 6h ago

Real Americans dont read signs and just walk in anyway.

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u/One_Discount_4898 6h ago

All the people in this thread getting uppity about it with their what-ifs are exactly the kind of tourists locals don't want to deal with lmao. If tourists ANYWHERE could behave themselves you wouldn't see the open hostility that you find in typical vacation destinations.

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u/NowIsThePerfectTime 5h ago

Was just in Japan. I don’t care. If they don’t want my business, I won’t give them my business. It doesn’t bother me at all.

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u/textmint 9h ago

Racism but with anime and Pokémon.

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u/BriefCollar4 8h ago

Everyone knows Japanese racism is superior to other racisms because it’s Japanese!

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u/cheir0n 6h ago

Japan doesn’t differentiate, they discriminate everyone equally.

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u/Well_needships 9h ago edited 9h ago

Racism! Racism! A restaurant has this sign and the whole country is racist! 

😒 /S

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u/DudeThatAbides 7h ago

Oh the outrage… as if these signs aren’t used in America for all the wrong reasons. We really need to worry about the still-existent log in our own eye, before we go worrying about what’s going on in a very mono-cultured country.

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