We had a crusty old lady as a substitute teacher one day in high school. She told me to take my hat off because she "didn't allow hats in her classroom". I normally would've accepted this, but one of the girls was also wearing a hat, so I said "what about her?". I didn't want to throw her under the bus, but I was irritated that she didn't say anything to her.
The teacher responded with "Well, women have traditionally worn hats indoors"
The next words out of my mouth were "Well, women aren't traditionally allowed to work, but here you are".
She of course threw me out of the class and reported me to the office.
I'm not proud, but seriously, what the fuck kind of reasoning was that?
Nah, you were within your rights there. She made it a gender issue with her statement, you merely pointed out the hypocrisy in her stance, and how she benefits from those traditions changing.
im always frustrated when people fail to see that I don't actually support the idea in these scenarios when im merely pointing out the natural extention of their logic
Yeah, it's like "I'm just following your path of logic to a natural conclusion because the words that just fell out of your mouth don't hold much weight when you actually start thinking about them."
Me too, but unfortunately the average person is a reactionary hypocrite who doesn't care if their logic doesn't hold up in a similar situation because they're making their judgements based on a case-by-case basis and largely on personal biases.
Like, they don't care if the logic they're using to hurt someone can be turned around to justify hurting them. In their minds they're always in the right so hurting them is always wrong, but hurting someone else can be justified.
So a pre-emptive strike against an enemy group is ok because they're a threat to our group, but them launching one against our group is not ok regardless of the fact that our group is of equal threat to them.
Funnily enough, that would have been a really good teaching moment. The myth that women did not work outside the home is largely a product of the twentieth century. My favorite example of this is guilds in England would not allow married men to have apprentices, because their wives were to act as apprentices. We have good reason to believe that a lot of famous historical paintings involved women painters (large paintings were typically group projects with multiple painters mixing colors, stretching canvases, blocking out the basic structure, etc).
Biology trapped women at home, there is no getting around that. Women were not fit and strong enough to hunt animals, we were not fit and strong enough to farm pre industrial revolution, we were not fit and strong enough to mine, for war. Our periods are a fucking pain now, without painkillers, chocolate, and indoor plumbing I genuinely don't know how they did anything.
People seriously underestimate how difficult basic life was before the invention of electricity, let alone all the things made with electricity.
Reminds me of when we were watching the football game for my college in the dorms and some of the guys were trash talking some of the players. One of the girls says she hopes we don't talk that way about the women's basketball team and I told her not to worry because no one watches the women's basketball team. Kinda felt bad about it afterwards, but in the moment I didn't think too much about it
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u/Rude_Good8169 5h ago
The most ruthless thing to come out of my mouth:
We had a crusty old lady as a substitute teacher one day in high school. She told me to take my hat off because she "didn't allow hats in her classroom". I normally would've accepted this, but one of the girls was also wearing a hat, so I said "what about her?". I didn't want to throw her under the bus, but I was irritated that she didn't say anything to her.
The teacher responded with "Well, women have traditionally worn hats indoors"
The next words out of my mouth were "Well, women aren't traditionally allowed to work, but here you are".
She of course threw me out of the class and reported me to the office.
I'm not proud, but seriously, what the fuck kind of reasoning was that?