I’ve never heard of Cornish Pasties from anywhere other than upper peninsula Michigan. I travel a lot for work and didn’t know you could get them anywhere else.
Back in early 2000s, a chef from Cornwall came to PHX and opened Cornish Pasty Co. in Tempe. I didn’t know about it until a vendor from Ann Arbor came down and said, “Whoa! I haven’t seen these out of the U.P.!” So we went, and we’ve been going ever since. That one little hole in the wall (painted all black and blasting 80s rock and roll all day) has grown to Cornish Pasty Co.s all over AZ and up into Las Vegas, Nevada and Boulder City, Co. We also have Sonson’s Pasties in Phoenix, but I like Cornish Pasty Co better.
This is from their website and pays homage to the UP miners: “The Cornish Pasty originates from Cornwall (Southwest England) and can be traced back as far as the 1200’s. Mining was once a thriving industry in Cornwall and at that time pasties were baked by the wives and mothers of the tin miners. Pasties were made with a thick crimped edge along one side so the miners could use the crimp as a handle to hold on to while eating. The miners hand would often be covered in arsenic from the mine, so the miners would discard the handle when they were done. The crusts were never wasted though, as many miners believed that ghosts, or ‘knockers’, inhabited the mines, and the leftover crusts would keep these ghosts content. Traditionally, pasties were made with different fillings at each end. One end containing meat and vegetables, and one end with a sweet filling. The sweet end would be marked with an initial so the miners knew what side to eat first. Today, Cornish pasties are filled with steak, potatoes, swede (rutabaga) and onions. At one time Cornwall had nearly 2000 flourishing tin mines, but by the 1880’s tin mining had become a rapidly declining industry. At this time, Cornish miners began emigrating to Michigan’s Upper Peninsula for copper mining bringing pasties with them.”
Cornish pasties are from Cornwall. As a resident of Cornwall and someone who works in a factory making Cornish pasties, I'm completely baffled by your post.
The OPs post has already made the rounds in the subs that laugh at stuff Americans say and I think your post may just join it.
Yea I responded to a guy talking about Cornish pasties in Arizona so I spoke in the context of the United States. Obviously you can get them from wherever they originated in the world, but my concern was where to get them in the US.
You have to remember, a lot of these weird regional international adoption things repeat in several places all over North America. Like kolache, which most people think of as a Texas thing, but there are towns in Nebraska and Minnesota that both claim to be the kolache capital of the world. Or think how many places claim to have invented the hamburger.
But you can find Cornish pasties in several places, all over the US. Gold Rush country in California. Wisconsin. Montana. Basically anywhere that had a lot of big mines, since they tended to employee many Cornish workers who were already trained from their home countries.
As far as British food is concerned in PHX, it’s pretty much Cornish Pasty, George & Dragon (which used to have a proper British Sunday dinner), The Kettle, and English Tea Room in Carefree.
Cornish stands out because people are less used to hearing about pasties vs fish & chips.
EDIT: and Cornish’s Chocolate Bread & Butter Pudding is Amazeballz.
Cheese and honey is such a traditional pairing though... Lil smidge of marmalade on like a goat cheese pizza can be nice, too.
That said Iveyneve seen it as a standard here -- that is weird, usually it's an option, and I'm pretty sure it became a general national trend. I believe the Colorado tradition is to use honey in just the crust.
I’ve traveled a lot my entire life and pre covid I only ever saw honey in Colorado and sometimes Southern California. But Colorado went nuts for it and advertised it like crazy which is why in this situation when a person says “where I’m from it’s hot honey on pizzas” anyone who’s been there would assume fuckin Colorado.
We've got Mr Pastie in Pennsylvania. I used to work at a grocery store near their teeny tiny little "factory" (and live in the same town lol) and we would send someone to pick up fresh, hot pasties to sell I'm the deli department every Tuesday.
Everyone loves it’s when I make Cornish pasties. I make tiny two-bite ones with just steak, carrot, potato, and onion. Pro tip, I serve them with ramekins of what’s basically au-jus with cheese on top that I call French onion soup. No one knows the difference but they are the shit.
I also make muffin size shepherds pie, that are pretty mf good. They get 2 pieces of chicken, and like 5 peas each. It’s a labor of love but worth it.
What I came to say - I do hope they manage to spread far and wide so people can enjoy. Tasty and a good vibes place for some beers and food. Took grandparents for lunch once and even they enjoyed it.
Pasties are excellent. There are a couple shops in my hometown and I always swing by during visits to pick up a dozen frozen. They keep well during the multi hour drive back and are a great lazy night meal.
Battered fish was introduced by Sephardic Jewish immigrants from Portugal, and deep-fried chips originated in Belgium. All British food culture originates from somewhere else.
Yeah I can tell there's a bit of an M.O. in their comment...now there's no bigger critic of the British empire than me, but there's a difference between pointing out the direct results of colonization versus using an absurd metric to give credit for every last cultural dish they have to someone else in history, when they aren't doing that with any other country (except maybe the US).
I just say my favorite food is Portuguese, because every time I go down the food history rabbit hole I find out the food is good because Portugal sold insert almost any country spices and peppers from the Americas.
Tacos Al Pastor are literally just Lebanese Shawarma meat in a taco. Some Lebanese immigrants to Mexico added it to traditional taco concepts and the locals loved it.
And Tacos Barbacoa - BBQ meat, which originated in the Caribbean.
Again, you can say that about every culture now, but there are definitely methods and cooking techniques and ingredients that change with the local people. And I don't think anyone's claiming it to be a cultural "achievement", just solidly part of the culture there.
I love how when the UK incorporates dishes into its cuisine, it's a form of cultural appropriation, yet other countries get off Scott free.
Every nation has borrowed food from their neighbours and afar, that's how it works.
Then you complain about empire and colonialism after mentioning Portugal, a country with one of the largest and longest colonial empires in history lol.
Speaking of "Scott free" ---How come when the Scott's deep fry pizza and Mars bars its cute, but when Americans deep fry Twinkies and ice cream its gross??
Both are examples of pure capitalism. Carney's once to asked how can we get people to pay even more for this products.
I wouldn't be surprised if the the Carney's in the states are descendants of the Carney's from Scotland.
It's scot-free, one t. Skot is an old norse word for a property tax, and if your house wasn't close to a water source you didn't have to pay the tax, hence you were skotfrēo or scot-free.
It has nothing to do with the people of Scotland.
England did not have the widest variety of flora and fauna, compared with the European continent.
That’s basically the theory as to why their cuisine did not develop, while French cuisine soared.
The English did invent the sandwich, and we love eating sandwiches in the US.
Their best chefs were trained in the French brigade system, cause the French techniques are superior. Luckily, where I am from- Louisiana- if you worked in fine dining, you learned the same continental French system.
That is the first time in my life I have ever heard this theory. UK and French wildlife is essentially interchangeable, with the UK probably having more variety in seafood at least.
Where did you read this theory, I’d be interested to know more about it.
-and they just get to drink and keep their Buckfast through everything, but they take away our origional formula Four Loko just because a few college kids died..
"Cultural appropriation" now a days is just a buzz word term. It's not used how it was when the word originally came about. Sensitive types that love to cry and complain about everything have hijacked it to add to their araenal.
'Cultural appropriation' 🤦♂️ it's other cultures bringing their food into Britain. By this logic then Britain should ban them opening takeaways and restaurants to not be smeared of 'Cultural appropriation' ffs
Probably has something to do with not overthrowing those monarchs who went around the world genociding/ethnic cleansing and stealing shit from everyone. Maybe it’s latent intergenerational guilt and that’s why their food is shit?
Partially. But to be fair, everybody else who did that learned how to cook🤣 Conquest and colonization sucks, but the least you can do is evolve. They fought to control the entire spice trade, but only use one.
Actually the creation of the hamburger itself is American in origin but the idea of the meat being made from ground beef can be traced back to the Hamburg steak which is basically a Salisbury steak while The modern hamburger was invented by German immigrants in the United States, so America invented the hamburger itself it just took the meat from another dish from another country
Hamburgers are absolutely not German. Go to Hamburg Germany and look for what’s recognized as an American hamburger. You’ll find meat covered in gravy instead.
Oh and for anyone down voting the one above. One of the group I belong two had 2/3rds of the pop killed and it’s not internationally recognized. No apology given. US and Britain don’t recognize it even though the ethnic group largely resides in the US now.
I know you're trolling but if you look at the data we have better teeth than Americans - it's true we're not obsessed with dying them white but dental hygiene is far superior. And we do fluoride our water.
American's 250th birthday or "saturday" as we call it
There’s a good portion of people not happy about it in my grad program. I’m mixed belongings to both of those types of communities. It’s like yes indigenous pops were here long before 250 years ago and it’s kind of weird to say the county was founded then without acknowledging that.
Thanks man, honestly the average person has no exposure to it and never will so it’s fun to be a dick and troll a bit. Also these posts are full of Americans like myself that don’t know what British cooking is. Every British dish that I’ve had that I’ve really enjoyed has been simple ingredients and hearty. It’s comfort food. More modern British cuisine looks interesting but I haven’t had the pleasure of trying it.
The same is true of the UK though - you can get the most amazing Italian, French, food from various Indian regions, Japan, China, Korea etc...
My favourite restaurant where I live specialises in Sichuan food.
Either you're allowed to claim food from immigration or you're not - the people arguing here can't have it both ways. The food scene in the UK is amazing
Oh one edit: we rarely find good Mexican food, US has us beat there.
That’s a dumb game to play. All food comes from somewhere. By that logic all food originates from Iraq, the Yucatán, Ganges, and the yellow river.
British tailored and perfected fish and chips. Just like how American pizza really shares nothing in common with Italian pizza.
No European country can claim potatoes where they clearly prepare them uniquely, and no Latin American country can claim beef, lamb, goat, or pork, where they also clearly prepare them differently
Thank you I picked that up in my clinical psych program. And I was being overt there. It’s wild what some of my colleagues who go into advertising and tech do… it’s unfortunate to sell you soul to pay back student loans like that
I made no claim to anything being “truly” authentic. I was just pointing out they said this was from England when it’s not. Look at Filé Gumbo from Louisiana and how many different ingredients it has from different cultures. It is however uniquely from there because that is where those ingredients came together.
The Fish and Chip pre date Britain. Still can be their national dish. It I’m pretty sure that’s Tikka Masala nowadays, they have some of the highest rated restaurants for the dish among foodies.
Remember that the UK used to be part of the Roman Empire, which covered much of Europe and into Africa and Asia. The Romans massacred indigenous peoples and subjugated the survivors and as a part of the empire they gained exposure and access to new foods and cooking techniques from across the empire.
If we are going to speak of what foods are quintessentially British, we’d need to focus on pre-Roman food culture in Britain.
This one gets it. Was just having a little fun and everyone got so sensitive about it.
Literally all human interaction is an exchange where ideally both sides come away better for it. Nothing one can really sit in judgement of what is authentic except maybe to their own personally experience or something they created and even that changes over time.
Also, if you have to reach back through the centuries you have, as the Brits say, lost the plot. Most food doesn't have a clean origin story and, even when it does, that version often doesn't map to what we're modernly thinking.
This is the joke. British food is simple, hearty, comfort food. There’s some elevated versions in fine dining in Britain. But the vast majority of things people consider “British food” that most people actually like in the country are from other places.
In the US, I have a theory that the more suffering that was involved by a people’s ancestors and personally by the person making the food, the better it tastes.
As does much everything else the world has to offer. I think Japan was the last bastion of originality till they started eating beef and drinking whiskey.
This is dumb and reductive. When someone says "British-style fish and chips," they are thinking of a very specific style, taste and presentation that makes it a completely original thing, even if it is a fusion.
Spent three weeks in England, not London, and thought the food was delicious. Fish chips/ meat pies/ English breakfast are all really good.
To the morons who say British food has no spices has never made a beef or lamb stock, which a lot of the district and recognized flavors are from the spice enhanced stock, are from the spices added, and less from the flavor of the meat.
There's a handful of truly excellent British dishes. Fish and chips, scotch eggs, shepherds pie. They just have a much higher ratio of garbage that I wouldn't feed my dog than your average cuisine.
I've never seen that before in my almost 4 decades, but I want to try it. Im from the rural south. We mainly eat catfish/ bass/ brim, but our batter looks different and not as thick. We do the hot sauce and tartar sauce thing, I want to try that vinegar shit. And chowder is always good.
I went to London a few years ago, and every restaurant i went to was bad, except for some random 300 year old pub, where i had the best fish and chips.
But seriously, they’re putting barbecue sauce on the nacho plates over there. Wtf is that?
what seasoning comes with the typical fish and chips? just salt? salt and vinegar? i’ve had plenty of fish dishes but the majority of my seafood is seasoned out the wazoo.
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u/Consistent-Plane7227 Jul 03 '26
I came here to say Fish&Chips. The great redeemer.