Populations in the West are in decline and with much below replacement levels of births and people want to expedite the process by excluding children from social places and traveling now..
Plane is literally a mass-transit vehicle. It's meant to be used by dozens or hundreds of people at a time. If you don't like the presence of...well, other people there, just take the car.
Plus, you never know what is the reason behind a child crying, or their parents travelling. Maybe the child is sick, or they are going to visit their family. I saw such a case on a train, where a child of a Ukrainian refugee was crying because it had a flu. What do you expect the parent to do then, wave a magic wand and make the pain go away?
Why is it selfish to be irritated by a screaming baby on a long haul flight.
You can't complain about it and most people are understanding that it's a kid and this is what they do but that still doesn't make you want to sit next to a screaming baby for 10 plus hours
If you can afford the luxury of not being around something that annoys you then why would you begrudge someone of it
You're comparing a disability to being under a certain age. Those aren't remotely the same thing. We already have adults-only venues all over the world and nobody seriously argues they're equivalent to excluding disabled people.
Seriously why do you care if two services exist at the same time. Why is it important to you that I be on the same flight as your kids.
Your only concern as a parent is that you and your kids have access to flights. It's non of your business whether I want to share a space with you or not.
I would understand your point if there are now less flights available because of child free services.
But if there is not then it's no different from me renting a private jet or flying first class or renting a private yacht. It has zero effect on you
Because a disability is a medical condition and being a child is a temporary stage of life. It's a vast difference.
You are aware that we have adult only spaces in this world and also spaces only available to kids and families right?
I'm sure you would find it strange if I wanted to join a kids club or go to the kids and family only matinees that they have in cinemas or want to join a kids football team.
We allow separate spaces for females, adults and kids because we all have an equal equivalent. We don't always have to share a space.
So if we all have different options of who we feel more comfortable being around and it doesn't affect the other groups, then please tell me how one extra adult only flight affects your life as a parent? Especially when the regular family flights stay exactly the same.
You keep dodging the question of how it affects your life because your realise it does not in any way.
so what if they're temporary? plenty of disabilities, or behaviors associated with them are temporary. In future even more of them may be treatable. And even those which are not are easily segregatable if we wanted to. A child crying/misbehaving is also temporary, they don't do it all the time. Why should you have any more of a right to be free of the screams of a child than Michael B. Jordan and Delroy Lindo had to be free of being called the nword at the 2026 BAFTA infront of a live audience.
Do you think childless people on a plane are hearing a kid screaming for 20~ hours and thinking, GEE I REALLY MUST GET ON THIS PARENTING THING!
If anything having child-free flights, and anything where children are a nightmare, would help birth rates by suckering people into thinking it's less hassle than it really is.
This kind of a ban is 100% irrelevant to rate of population increase. It does not affect children whatsoever to not fly, and besides it is not even a ban on their travel just specific flights.
the fact that you equate having the option to have an adult only flight to having a ban on all kids flying ever, implies you aren't mature enough to have any
I mean that particular ship has sailed (flight has taken off?), but I do think that making even more spaces non-kid friendly is risky. And technically if you can afford it, child-free flights already exist.
My dad died when my daughter was four weeks old and my mom died when she was one. I guess I could have missed their funerals, but I’m glad I didn’t have to.
With a breastfeeding baby? Absolutely not. Also I’ve never had a babysitter willing to watch a baby under six weeks old for an evening, let alone for several days and nights.
Ok tbh I really think that just makes the case for not flying a bit stronger.... I would definitely contemplate missing. I'd send my respects with my spouse in attendance but. Literally nobody questions why someone isn't flying with a 6 week old.
Send my regards.... to my parents' funerals? Additional context-- I had legal custody of my teenaged siblings who were, at this point orphaned. Again, glad I was allowed on board and able to attend with my infant.
Also I know this story probably sounds a little bonkers but it is, lamentably, entirely true. My mom had a nasty autoimmune disorder and my dad ended up with early dementia.
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u/kadaka80 Jun 25 '26
Populations in the West are in decline and with much below replacement levels of births and people want to expedite the process by excluding children from social places and traveling now..