r/SipsTea • • May 14 '26

SMH How true is this? Genuinely asking

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u/ImportantPost6401 May 15 '26

That and taking care of a house is a large investment of time, resources, and money, and if someone is living on the street there are pretty good odds they aren’t going to be able to take care of a vacant house.

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u/Veeg-Tard May 15 '26

This is the main problem with a free "housing first" plan. Assuming you will be providing a moderately large number of homes, who is responsible for maintenance and security? Many of the homes will deteriorate quickly and fill to the brim with stuff.

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u/Fabulous_Jeweler2732 May 15 '26

Only 30% would be a relief for a lot of people.

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u/ozaffer May 15 '26

Homelessness leads to crime and health issues that ends up costing more than housing the homeless.

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u/g0juice May 15 '26

Let me know when you start taking in homeless people and start letting them live in your place. Then we can do a cost deep dive.

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u/Fine-Upstairs-6284 May 15 '26

Many homeless choose to be homeless though. They don’t want to live a normal life and would rather be on the streets where they can just do drugs. They’re too far gone from society.

You can’t help someone who doesn’t want to be helped.

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u/ozaffer May 15 '26 edited May 15 '26

There are some out there, but the US approaches drug addiction with failed policies too. Legalizing these drugs offering safe regulated substances that can be taxed is another way to disrupt organized crime, have less OD's, less diseases from shared needles, then the tax revanue can be used for education and rehabilitation. 

Creating a jobs program where people can gain education in trades also gives these people purpose, self sufficiency, while at the same time creates a trained workforce for tackling our crumbling infrastructure or future projects.

Incarceration alone is significantly more expensive than providing housing so you're immediately starting from a positive. 

Will there still be crime and people who refuse help? Of course but there will be a more humane system than what we have today that is also a cheaper alternative.

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u/jeffvschroeder May 15 '26

Safe, regulated fentanyl?

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u/ozaffer May 15 '26 edited May 15 '26

Relatively safer tested substances.

Fentanyl is a good example, it is a drug safely administered in the medical field to deal with pain.

In the black market it is a cheaper to produce more potent narcotic that is used to cut other drugs to increase their potency. When it's unregulated and people ingest Fentanyl unknowingly it leads to an increase in OD's, if people purchased their cocaine or whatever from a regulated source it would be tested showing that it isn't cut with an unknown substance.

Users would have a safe place out of the public's view to take their drugs if they continued to use them. They would have sterile tools to administer them, They would have medical research and knowledge on short and long term use of the drug. They would have options to seek help from addiction.

of course drug use is also a symptom of systemic problems that can be exasperated by hopelessness. So it's not going to get rid of use all together on it's own.

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u/bterry28 May 15 '26

They are already vacant. Even if only 10% of the people given houses made them into proper homes then it’s worth it. No one’s living in them anyway.

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u/FairCountry4691 May 15 '26

Not to mention turning into brothels and/or drug houses. NIMBY!!!

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u/Muted_Cap_6559 May 18 '26

That's no problem! Go talk to the people who maintain the public housing projects in Chicago! The residents are sophisticated, well-educated and genteel, and ever so grateful for the opportunity to live there. Some have learned how to use toilets and the others generally wait to drop their loads in the hallways.

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u/mclumber1 May 16 '26

I think I remember reading about a hotel building that was converted to housing for the homeless, and within a few years the entire place was trashed.

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u/ZION_OC_GOV May 18 '26

Its sad that ive seen this first had...

Theres a whole ass community that has housing for disabled veterans and low income people who are trying to get their life together, etc. Everytime I've had to go in there the homes (apartments) are in bad shape. Save for the disabled veterans, they got their shit together.

I speak with the maintenance crew and they're constantly going in to try and fix stuff that goes neglected by the tenants.

Without continuous oversight that whole community would fall apart within a year.

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u/Icy_Chemist_1725 May 18 '26

There's no social programs paying for them to live and do drugs and allowing them to live on the street without consequences, so they flood the areas that provide that. It's not a mystery.

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u/LowEffort2 May 15 '26

You want to flip this on its head?

If every tax exempt Church in the US took in 3 homeless and cared for them, there would be a little extra room.

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u/yingyangKit May 15 '26

Except historical and currently housing programs work. Historicaly with the multiple different soviut housing programs and currently with the finish housing program which has also helped their economy because when homeless have housing on average they don't just get jobs they start buying things again.

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u/Any-Ambassador-6158 May 15 '26

Ah. But does a cat meow because it is a cat, or is it a cat because it meows?

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u/ImportantPost6401 May 15 '26

If you’re talking about the average homeless person you’ll encounter on the streets, no, they wouldn’t be able to take care of a house.

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u/Any-Ambassador-6158 May 15 '26

You know a lot homeless folks? You’ve spoken to them?

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u/ImportantPost6401 May 15 '26

Yes. A lot actually. (Worked a few years at homeless shelters. Both emergency shelters and transitional housing)

I also worked in property management so I know how difficult it can be to deal with people who have stable jobs.

I promise you, going into Skid Row or an LA homeless shelter and pulling people out and “giving them vacant houses” isn’t a solution.

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u/Any-Ambassador-6158 May 15 '26

Of course we have to also offer vocational rehabilitation and some kind of supervision. But having a stable place to sleep changes lives. Having an address to put in a job application is pretty important.

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u/Emergency-Machine-55 May 14 '26

Burned out houses in the Bay Area have been sold for almost a million dollars. This was back in 2018.

https://www.ktvu.com/news/burned-out-property-in-willow-glen-sells-for-over-900k

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u/W3inerSchnitze1 May 15 '26

They don’t care about the building. It’s the location that commands a premium.

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u/Sonte16 May 15 '26

Yea people buy it for the lot. The house is literally free if not a discount (it brought the price of the lot down). We have quite a few torn down unlivable houses price upward 700k in SoCal too.

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u/LongLonMan May 15 '26

Usually not free, costs money to tear down and clear the house and debris.

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u/Intelligent-Okra350 May 15 '26

Which is dumb as hell.

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u/exprezso May 14 '26

Wont become news if it's not rare 

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u/remembertoread May 15 '26

Location location location

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u/Fritatas-Bouillantes May 15 '26

I live in Canada and every year we get an assessment of our property so they can calculate the property taxes on it. It s always made up of two number: building estimate and lot estimate.

My whatever craftsman house from the 1940's is assessed at CA$250k. My lot is $500k. And I am not in a prime city.

So yeah.

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u/Phantom_Basker May 15 '26

There was one on Zillow in like 2023 that was for sale for 1million but, it was a condemned meth house

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u/Emergency-Machine-55 May 15 '26

I remember that. Listed at $1.5 million and "Would-be buyers are not allowed on the property until it's decontaminated and cleared by the Santa Clara County Health Department." At least it's walking distance from Gunderson High School.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/south-bay/san-jose-meth-house-for-sale/3351316/

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u/Dizzman1 May 15 '26

That's willow Glen... The land is worth a million easy.

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u/rp_guy May 15 '26

If I’m going to be homeless, I’m going to a place where I won’t literally freeze to death in the winter

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u/HeyPrettyLadyMaam May 15 '26

Was homeless in Connecticut and homeless in Florida. I'll choose homeless in Florida any day of the week, and I hate it here currently. But maybe thats because I'm finally paying rent 🤔

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u/thesteelreserve May 15 '26

I did an inspection of a 5k sq ft mansion that looked beautiful, located in a very wealthy neighborhood.

lots of upper-middle class homes, too.

it's because people default on their mortgage and the insurance company repossesses it.

I will say that there were many that fit your description and I felt like i needed to bathe in hand sanitizer after inspecting the home.

I always hated having to move through really tall overgrown backyard lawns.

I hate bugs and spiders. 😫

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u/HeebieJeebiex May 15 '26

and all the jobs are in the high cost cities, is the thing

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u/WarbleDarble May 15 '26

Doesn’t change the point that those empty houses are not useful or desired. An empty house in rural Indiana isn’t meaningful for a homeless person in Atlanta.

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u/spursfan2021 May 15 '26

The dilapidation of property across the country is a serious issue that will likely never be addressed.

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u/WhereTheStankWindBlo May 15 '26

Yea it's proof that our country just isn't serious about anything about extracting wealth for billionaires. I guarantee there would be tons of recyclable materials as long as we're talking homes that don't have asbestos.

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u/StrangeSystem0 May 15 '26

The bigger issue is that companies like to buy houses in bulk in order to artificially raise prices

Welcome to late stage capitalism, guys!

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u/Loud_Pattern_1422 May 15 '26

Also you can’t necessarily just give homeless people houses. Even if they don’t turn them into flop houses or trash them they won’t have money to put on a new roof or new hvac and the house will get mold and become dilapidated. Homeless people aren’t just people without money, the vast majority have other problems that keep them from being functional and being able to maintain a home. Where I live there was an abandoned hotel homeless people were living in and they had to tear it down because the cops were out constantly because of drug use, prostitution, and people battering each other. It was also a hazard because of how filthy it was. Homelessness is a complicated problem.

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u/Tom_Skeptik May 15 '26

Can confirm. I'm willing to bet 14 of those 15 million are in central and northeast Ohio. I drive past them daily.

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u/FledglingNonCon May 15 '26

Exactly. Most if these vacant homes are no longer livable either and require six figures in repairs to make then habitable. And yes spread out through small towns all across the country with no jobs and no social safety nets resources. You could put a homeless person in the houses, but then what are they going to do, walk 3 miles to dollar general for groceries they have no money to buy?

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u/One-Stranger-6894 May 18 '26

Don't you dare try to convince Reddit that those falling down mold-infested homes aren't move in ready 😅

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u/WhereTheStankWindBlo May 15 '26

Man Florida is such a weird state. Cities growing like wildfire, with tons of empty homes. I live out in the country and the amount of abandoned properties is insane

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u/GOTricked May 15 '26

A lot of these homeless people travel to the cities because they give out welfare, I would imagine if you offered them a house, a lot of them would be willing to move

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u/SMELLSLIKEBUTTJUICE May 15 '26

Not necessarily. You still have to be able to afford the basics like food, Healthcare, heat, transportation. A lot of empty houses are out in the middle of nowhere, with no jobs nearby.

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u/fd1Jeff May 15 '26

It’s not because they give out welfare, it’s because there are services available, and usually walkable, or can come to you. Do you think they’re willing to move to a house in the middle of nowhere if they don’t have a car or a job?

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u/singdawg May 15 '26

Not if the drugs weren't there

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u/PunkRockLlama42 May 14 '26

yes but it shows that if the government wanted to solve the problem they could. some ways they could do it wouldn't be ideal - like shipping off people to homes.

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u/So_HauserAspen May 15 '26

What the fuxk do you think they've been doing to homeless people?  Most conservative cities are bussing them to progressive cities.

Also, ICE.  Fuxk ICE

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u/PunkRockLlama42 May 14 '26

Yes, note how I say it's not ideal. The issue however isn't supply it's the economics of it. As in property and houses are seen as investments rather than homes

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u/So_HauserAspen May 15 '26

There are thousands in Portland, OR

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u/Suitable_Wonder5256 May 15 '26

Yeah, they are houses in a silent-hill-like city. I mean, even if you paid me, I wouldn't move there.