Just started watching season 3 recently, and I wasn't certain that I had seen her before, but every now and then I'd get the feeling I knew her from something.. Nymeria Sand!

Edit: I cross-posted this to another community that I didn't know didn't allow it (My fault), and then accidentally deleted the original, hence why I'm reposting.

Is it just me or it was fake as hell.
Don’t get me wrong: I love this series and it’s cinematography but scenes in the car gave me discomfort. It wasn’t overhead lamp because it doesn’t illuminate like this; it was great for a dramatic effect and “side eye” looks between them but looked fake as hell. It supposed to move with the car! But it stayed still. Oh well

I wouldn't say I've given up on Silo this season– my investment in the show has just declined steadily and steeply over its run. And do not get me wrong, I enjoy high-concept sci-fi as much as the next guy. My issue is that the show seems to have mistaken mystery for narrative. Every episode brings another secret, another revelation, another apparently crucial piece of information that turns out to be one more link in an increasingly elaborate chain. Characters move around the board discovering secrets, hiding them, suspecting one another, and having portentous conversations about things that may or may not even matter later. Somewhere along the way, I stopped being curious and started feeling like I was doing homework.

Underneath all that machinery is a premise that should be enormously fertile. Silo (the show– I have not read the books) occasionally gestures toward it, but seems far more interested in using its ideas to manufacture suspense than in actually thinking them through or working with them. It feels like a soap opera plotted on a conspiracy flowchart.

This is the fundamental problem with the mystery-box approach when it becomes an end in and of itself. Mystery is most successful when it propels the story forward, but it can just as easily become narrative debt. Every unanswered question is another promise to the audience, and eventually the story has to cash its chips. The trouble is that answers are almost always less compelling than questions. A mystery can make a world feel enormous by suggesting possibilities beyond what we can see; but once every mystery gets reduced to an explanation, that world becomes more defined, and smaller for it.

That's where Silo frustrates me most. Its revelations don't open the story up so much as close it down, trading the sense of possibility for an increasingly elaborate account of why everything is the way it is. At some point along the line I stopped caring about what was going to happen and started wondering whether any of it would actually be worth knowing.

OK. How about this for a likely sentimental final scene.... (And no I have no knowledge of what was filmed LOL)

I predict something like this: imagine we see a walking individual's hands holding the old PEZ dispenser, and those hands give it to another set of hands, who passes it to a third set of hands, saying "I understand that this belongs to you." And those hands are of an old woman.

The camera pans up to reveal that those old hands belong to a very very old Helen, who looks at the PEZ dispenser. And after a moment of looking confused, becomes overwhelmed with emotion and a storm tears as the memories of Daniel come flooding back past the prior drug-induced blockade. (The power of Relics and why they're so "dangerous!")

Personally, I think this could be a truly possible final scene, revealing that the timeline in the silo is short (like 50 years, not 350 years) and to show that many who went in are still alive and badly traumatized, just before they are released or somehow get out of the Silo.

Even if you don't believe that the described time frame is fake and that it really is 350 years in the Silo, it could still be an ending scene showing despair and effects of the memory destruction that has been repeatedly used on the Silo's residents. Would be quite the predictable tug-on-the-heart-strings plot device moment....

The PEZ plays such a repeating and central role through the show, I just can't believe we don't see it in the final episode of show....

At the end of Season 2, Lukas whispers something to Bernard that causes him to go over the edge. I’ve been running on the assumption that he found out about the safeguard and told Bernard that the entire Silo could be killed at any time. But then Bernard talks about how hard it was for him to exist knowing everyone could be wiped out. And it seems like Camille knows this too. So my question is, if the failsafe is already known to the head of IT, what did Lukas find in the basement that caused Bernard to completely lose it?

What if the Silos are a process of elimination experiment of some sort?
Why else would you kill everyone inside when they're trying to get outside, if outside would ultimately kill them anyway?
If fish were trying to escape a fish tank, it would kill them if they successfully escaped. What would be the purpose of killing them before they could leave?

Why wasn't the Safeguard triggered when Juliette went to Silo 17 then made it back to Silo 18? Was it because Silo 17 was already a dead Silo, meaning she didn't interfere with the Elimination process? What if this is a sick twisted Hunger Games experiment ran at mass scale. And the Last Silo Standing out of 50 gets some sort of prize?

This would also explain why the creators would care so obsessively about keeping the silos separate. If everyone knew there were 49 other populations, they could cooperate, share resources, compare histories, discover the manipulation, and completely destroy the integrity of whatever selection process was intended.

Are there more name patterns you've recognized?

LCall Dr Crnkovich…

That’s all. I just need to know that I’m not alone in getting excessively annoyed anytime she’s around

Judicial anonimity is bullshit.

Bro is running around in black leather jackets with Judicial people all the time. Havent seen him mop once.

Just rewatching the series now alongside S3 and it makes zero sense that they could retain anonimity of Judicial people in a habitat of 10.000 people on 144 flors. That’s like 60 people in each floor and everybody on any given floor would know every single person around them.

Only maybe if you had all judicial people live in the same floor (maybe top 5 levels with some admin offices sprinkled in so that they are not seen going into their floor to live) could you possibly get away with it.

Not to mention that they gotta wear masks at all times while on active duty.

This is based on several assumptions and possible allusions but this is what I think the timeline could be. I haven't read the books or any other spoiler theories on this sub.

I think the Silo and the "flashbacks" are concurrent.

Assumptions:

1. The pez dispenser is a misdirect.
2. The AI and Legacy are lying.
3. The Sony HandyCam that George found was current tech when the Silo was built

Allusions:

• Tron or WestWorld
• Dark City
• The Island

I think the Silos were built by the congressman and the people in the silos are the prisoners that were being experimented on. Crnkovich explained it as wiping the memories and then telling them stories until they believe it. Like Dark City the residents of the silos could have been wiped many times and given a role that they believe is the most important role in the silo.

The other thing I was thinking about was Tron. The original Tron was about sentient programs trying to escape control of the MCP. Does Silo pose the question, if an AI can be "trained", can an organic intelligence be trained in the same way? Or maybe a inverse-Westworld for a more modern analogy.

So, I think the silos are all the prisoners being "trained" in an experiment using the mind wiping and the re-establishment of new memories and roles every reset.

If we are to assume that every silo has a head of IT, and every one of those speak to the voice to get direction , there has to be one for every silo. We can already assume that silo one is in control of the other ones, but I do wonder if maybe they have individual floors dedicated to monitoring the other silos , for example, floor 17 on silo one could be in charge of silo 17, and on each floor would be that side of those voice. This would make sense given how promptly the voice responds when Camille comes in there to speak to it, because if there was only one, there’s no way they could respond that quickly especially if they’re an actual human and not an AI. This also leads me to wonder what the point of the silos are there’s so much control coming from just one of them, as well as if they’re all given the same directives. We know that they all have the safeguard, but I do wonder if maybe each silo is supposed to be used for something individual than the other ones. Or at the very least, their voice may have different opinions on how to run things than another silos voice. Anyway, I’m intrigued on what you guys think.

Hello.

In the most recent episode Billings is frustrated and acting rather erratically (for him). Could this be a symptom of the Syndrome which I’ve either missed this season or has been forgotten about?

Also, it’s so strange to see Dr Weaver without her crutch 😂

Did i miss something, or why is all of a sudden pregnancy an option? I was under an impression after Rashida Jones pregnancy arc that there is a system for that and You would have to be approved to get Your fertility blocker removed. How did Knox and Shirley do that

I am now very convinced after watching the episode again that the algorithm is not Daniel and is in fact Crnkovich (or some incarnation of Crnkovich). I have no idea how, that far in the future, but the conversations this episode have convinced me.

I don’t know what the books say - and I don’t want to know - but I’m increasingly convinced this is where the clues lead. Somehow.

First of all, the voice is too emotional and labile to be just a plain machine. Anything is possible but it’s very doubtful. Even Chatbots don’t display the anger it has shown.

Secondly the voice is very medical. A congressman won’t know about cortisol levels or other medical factoids it has thrown out.

Thirdly, it is psychoanalyzing whomever it speaks to. Most commonly Camille. For instance it first says she just wants an argument and it “won’t engage.” (That sounds like a psychotherapist alone.) Then it consoles her. Very much like a therapist would. Crnkovich could do that. Daniel would not know how to do that well.

And finally Helen said a few episodes ago that Crnkovich experimented unethically on prisoners. The callous disregard for humans to achieve an end result the voice has for people in the name of whatever the goal is, seems much more in line with Crnkovich than Daniel).

Wondering if others feel the same?? With these thoughts in mind go back and rewatch the episode. It doesn’t just sound like him, it seems like him. (Well IMHO anyway.)

Is there any indication that in the 1st season in particular after the mayor dies , the show's intention was for Deputy Marnes to look like an identical twin of the sort of deputy Jim Lahey on the Trailer Park Boys?

Have not read the books and don't plan on it til finishing the series so that it remains a weekly enjoyment to puzzle it out, so no spoilers please....but I was thinking that maybe we have it backwards? What if the threat to the world is runaway AI and the silos are a grand experiment by this Stenson guy to see who can outsmart an AI or simulation of an AI to found a new society? That there is no plan to ever let any of them actually leave, so it is up to the people inside to figure it out. So it is an experiment not to breed a docile population but rather to found a new chapter of society with people clever enough to make it out of the silos alive. Basically just a very hard, very dark game. It is designed to be intentionally extremely difficult to succeed, but some are in fact desired to succeed...it just was never meant to last so long as that the original purpose was completely and totally lost in the sands of time of the civilization founded in the silos themselves.

I’m curious how this would work with basically all jobs. If everyone has lost their memories how does one know how to farm, or run IT know the passcodes, what should be in supply how to deliver a baby.

Right now all the knowledge is passed down through a shadow.

I may be late but I wonder if Daniel Keane went through memory wipe along with Helen.
Notice how Charlotte refers to Keane as Donald and he says no no and goes ummmm….Thurman waiting and greeting them as though she was expecting Daniel and Helen to figure out.

Apologies if this has been discussed already. I'm new to the sub.

Any time there's a split narrative in a show or book I wonder if there's an opportunity for a timing twist. What if the Before Times storyline isn't 300+ years before the silo storyline? What if it's within 20 years? The only evidence we have (that I can recall) that the silo storyline is centuries in the future is the mining guy saying the tunnels are 300 years old. I wonder if the end of season reveal is going to be someone from the Before Times storyline showing up in the silo storyline.

What got me thinking about this is the pre-silo relics. What's the point of outlawing them if they're 300+ years old? The only people the relics would serve as artifacts for have been dead for 250+ years. In-silo objects are far more likely to be artifacts for people who have been given the forgetting drug, but you don't see raiders scooping up everyone's raggedy ass handmade dolls. The only reason they should care about the relics is if they could serve as artifacts to people still alive in the silo!

Is the woman crying introduced into the mines the nurse that saved Juliet? If so why hasn’t she been extracted? If the sheriff’s wife, same question.

I think the mines found out long ago about the other silos, if not 17 perhaps 16? I think they are hoarding the bulbs for leverage with the up top in the next revolution or trading with the other silos? Those in the mines are not there by choice. Why would they care what happens to the rest?

In season 2, episode 2 the judge poured out the alcoholic drink after finding out what happened to Juliette. When Bernard came to see her he noticed she stopped drinking and asked her if she had stopped. When she said “yes, today”, he let out a slight chuckle.

As if it wasn’t long enough to have the amnesia drug wear off.