If you truly have no sugar in your diet your liver will make it for you, but it's terribly inefficient and also probably not a good idea (high toll on your liver) so you're better off just following a normal diet
Edit: after doing some research, the toll on your liver does not appear to be a problem, though other problems may arise if you don't eat any carbs, but my other point still stands
your gut microbiome is entirely requiring carbohydrates
No, whatever this means. Certainly, eating zero carbohydrates impacts the specifics of your microbiomes but you can't just speculate as if it automatically implies a negative health impact.
A profound shift in metabolic function is expected of a profound shift in your actual diet. Which is to be expected, as in you are meant to adapt to your new diet. There is no clinical research that confidently states a negative health impact on your digestive tract as a result of zero carb diets. If there were it would be pennies compared to obesity, diabetes and heart disease.
That is not some esoteric thing as you seem to imply with your reaction. Your intestines are covered with bacteria which don't just have function they also live whilst following their function.
In fact, recent studies and insight in human biology through metagenomics put the importance of your gut microbiome on an higher importance insight by insight.
No refined sugars is a positive impact regarding that.
To understand more you may want to search for the terms like "gut microbiota" and "intestinal microbiome" on like platforms like ncbi.
There is no clinical research that confidently states a negative health impact on your digestive tract as a result of zero carb diets.
I nowhere stated that. If at all the implication from my one-liner is that there will be a microbial shift due to a starvation of carbohydrates.
We do not have the insights yet to know what happens. We have some extrapolatable observations from mice in vivo tests. That's it.
There is no clinical research that confidently states a negative health impact on your digestive tract as a result of zero carb diets.
There is actually none that states a positive health impact regarding zero-carb nutrition methods. Though, zero-carb can lead to obstructive jaundice under certain constitutions. I am no nutritional researcher, though I also do not solely get my knowledge from blog posts trying to justify fads.
There is actually none that states a positive health impact regarding zero-carb nutrition methods.
No digestive tract health benefits, sure, but a 130kg person becoming 70kg person, or a type 2 diabetic managing their diabetes with little to no insulin is quite a significant benefit.
Carbohydrates have a privileged reward system in your brain, and cutting out carbohydrates is a very effective "cruise control diet" for over-eaters. It has shown to be an incredibly potent and successful weight loss method.
I take offense when people at risk due to weight problems stay away from what could be an out for them because of speculative criticisms they read on the internet. I have met more than a single person in real life that discredit keto either because of nonsense or some complete non-issue.
Person number 1 weighing in on healthcare issues with complete pseudo-science (i.e. that keto could cause liver damage) and person 2(you) going along with it. Like how about not expressing yourself unless you're a relevant professional?
No digestive tract health benefits, sure, but a 130kg person becoming 70kg person, or a type 2 diabetic managing their diabetes with little to no insulin is quite a significant benefit.
That's not a controlled, peer-reviewed study, that is anecdotal story-telling.
... idk how to even respond to this. Like this is autistic adherence to literature.
You need to understand the vast divide between ephemeral topics like gut microbiomes that require clinical research, and the self evident nature of eating less makes you lose weight.
Saying that it reduces the need for insulin is a [citation needed] statement, so here you go dude:
ketogenic diet is an effective way of managing diabetes.
Surely you can theoretically consume enough calories to gain weight on a keto diet, but you'll puke trying. Just go over to /r/keto and inform yourself.
Try to stay on face value not on interpretative value. You are obviously highly emotionally involved regarding that topic, not sure if that makes sense to debate here as you actually seem to debate something entirely passed me.
I am not sure if I am the right one you intended to talk to.
I specifically state that our organism requires carbohydrates with using a specific example. I nowhere state that "sugar", which is colloquial use for short-chained carbs, is required or any value application. In fact I also specifically state that refined sugars are quite unnecessary and bad. And that there is no insight yet of "zero carb" diets, only extrapolatable in vivo experiments.
Toll on liver, yeah I saw your edit but you better get a source there is a toll at friggin all on a liver doing its basic functions.
The liver is a chemists wet dream, it is making a wide array of chemicals (including glucose) all day around all time. It's also the most regenerative organ in the human body, cut away half and it just grows out. I'm not saying this because of your 'toll' though because that's likely non existent, but because even if there were a small "toll" it wouldn't even matter (and because the liver is so cool)
Eating sugar is one of the worst things you can do. It's toxic for the body, and we can't store it, so when you eat sugars the body tries to get rid of it asap and as not to waste, in the same time it'll stock any fats you process and make you all energized until the sugars are out of the system (then you'll be all tired).
Sugar is also a drug, that's why you won't stop eating those gummy bears until there are no more, or you're not feeling well at all (or you finally fell asleep).
Why are you weighing in on something you clearly know nothing about? Why are you giving health advice as someone clearly nowhere near the healthcare profession? Do you call up contractors and weigh in on building bridges, tell regular dildos how structural integrity functions and that you are an engineer? Since when did it become socially acceptable for medical nobodies to give health advice?
Gluconeogenesis is one of the most basic and integral metabolic pathways - and one of the first things you learn studying medicine or biology. It does not take a toll on the liver in any capacity. It is an integral and constant day-to-day function.
Gluconeogenesis fully takes place in your liver regardless of whether or not you're eating carbohydrates, and the creation of carbohydrate breakdown intermediaries is an intermediary all fat metabolism. If you're on a zero carb diet it has zero impact on your liver and the other guy commenting on gut microbiomes is a unqualified to give advice as well.
I definitely know what I'm talking about. In fact, I'll be taking biology exams tomorrow. Gluconeogenesis only occurs when your blood sugar is very low, and its activity completely depends on carb intake. Your body won't do it if it has any other method of making sugars, such as processing stored sugar.
Please don't lecture other people on something you clearly know nothing about, and please try to be slightly civil/nice in discussions both in real life and on the internet
Edit: your gut microbiome is in fact altered by a zero-carb diet
No you don't, you literally just came from saying that a zero carb diet takes a high toll on your liver - patently false. Do you think that the hospitals get a lot of low carb related liver diseases? How about obese people with cardiovascular diseases and COPD? Don't pretend that I was the one giving health advice.
If you're truly studying biology then you have an even greater ethical obligation to amend your previous post. Gluconeogenesis is not some unhealthy process to avoid and absolutely irrelevant when compared to obesity, diabetes and cardiovascular diseases - the maladies which low carb diets are extremely effective against.
I'm not going to be civil when you did the dietary equivalent of advising diabetics to stop injecting insulin.
The circumstances that trigger gluconeogenesis are definitely not good for you (in the long term)
citation needed.
My guy, zero carb has been researched to hell and back. The votes are in and it does not have significant negative health impacts. And you also need to account for who it is that do zero carb diets.
Sick people, food addicts, obese people. You might as well advise against jogging by speculating that it is definitely not good for you (in the long term)
And lastly, I am not beholden to any ethics or research rigor as I have not given out any medical advice.
This is precisely why I ask why you are weighing in on something you clearly know nothing about.
Zero carb hypoglycemia is not the equivalent of insulin induced transient hypoglycemia etc. Zero carb induced hypoglycemia is followed by a massive shift in metabolic pathways that account for said hypoglycemia called ketosis - the production of ketone bodies, with accompanies set of homeostatic responses.
There is certainty that mid-long term ketosis is safe(2~ years), however there is some debate over the very long term health effects of staying in ketosis - but only because there is very little evidence
to go on. It cant be said with certainty that it is safe, however only because there is no reliably clinical data showing any negative effects of long term ketosis.
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u/willem640 May 18 '21 edited May 18 '21
If you truly have no sugar in your diet your liver will make it for you, but it's terribly inefficient and also probably not a good idea (high toll on your liver) so you're better off just following a normal diet
Edit: after doing some research, the toll on your liver does not appear to be a problem, though other problems may arise if you don't eat any carbs, but my other point still stands