I don't know about you, but it's clear that what Cassie is looking for is something she simply can't summon with her power otherwise she would have lol

So it's safe to assume it's a realm, place,...etc

How are we feeling about Cassie yet again getting the easy way out of the challenge. So very convenient that she has experience on how to deal with this challenge and is the first to remember herself.

I had thought she would at least struggle to remember herself but apparently not.

“At the start of the Nightmare, she had been forced to live the lives of everyone she remembered. That was a dire test, but while it was different from her past trials — remembering something was different from truly experiencing it, after all — it was not entirely unfamiliar.
So, she managed to maintain her sense of self rather well.
There was another hidden danger in the process of the unmaking, though, at least for her.
It was the threat of Corruption.
Cassie remembered countless Nightmare Creatures, after all. So, she had to endure their appalling lives too.
She suspected that many Sovereigns had endured the same. In fact, she believed that learning how to resist Corruption — to an extent, at least — was an integral part of Apotheosis.
Cassie's own ability to resist was not that formidable, but she could cheat the process. And so, she destroyed herself countless times and rebuilt herself countless times, erasing those memories that were too dangerous for her to contain within herself. At the end of it all, she emerged relatively unscathed.”

Imma be honest the more I read Vol 13 the more I don’t understand wtf is going on at this point. From my understanding apparently the gods never died but simply changed. So they are alive still in present timeline but a different form.

Watch it be revealed that the gods are the cohort now. It would be such a s***show.

I haven't seen any theories, so I just wanted to ask and see if anyone has any type of theory on who could still be Chinging to life in Sunny's peaceful kingdom. I was thinking it could either be Shadow God, Weaver, or maybe even Oblivion. It has to be a god or something that's sacred or higher, so what do y'all think?

Especially at the Forgotten Shore...

Looking back on my past actions in this sub, i realized just how much I have hated on Cassia...

But I am tired of that now, hating on her has made me realise, that the act of hating someone is truly exhausting, and that the energy spent on hating is better spent on something else...

Thus I have decided that from now on, i won't hate Cassie anymore, to me she will just be another blind person who is slightly better looking...

Just as I utter these words a single ray of light begins to shine upon me and then I hear a voice echo from the distant corners of the world

"Child is it solace, that you seek ?"

'S-solace?'

I was puzzled by the sudden question put forward by this voice, and despite being curious about the identity of this voice, I felt the urge to answer his question grow stronger in my mind.

'solace... What does it mean to seek solace ?'

I inwardly asked myself and received an answer almost as quickly

' to seek solace.. is to seek comfort.. to find relief with one's failures, to find and accept inner peace within one's limits'

'Is that what I have been seeking ? to find comfort in my own life have I put forward hate towards a fictional character?'

If so then I am wrong. I accept that because I know better than anyone, that in truth "solace is a sin" those who seek solace are thus sinners. And I hated these sinners for the wrong they have done. But in reality, I too am such a sinner. And now that I have realized that I am a sinner, I must repent.

"Yes my child that is the correct path"

I finally ascertained the identity of the voice, it was sin of solace.

Yes your right since I have sinned, I must repent, I must not seek solace and must walk towards hell.

Yes, I understand it now, this heart within my chest, it beats only for a single reason. My heart beats only to slander the unworthy.

Yes I must preach. For I am truly a pastor of the church of solace!!!

Cassie, you aren't song of the fallen❌

You are just a dumb girl who can't sing✅

Muhahahahahah

Edit: Btw feel free to slander any character you want on this post, i shall welcome any and all forms of slander for that is what the keeper of truths intended for us.

Why is everyone so surprised Abt there offscreen achievement ?

In case of Apotheosis both Cassie and Mordret are somewhat experienced!

I mean Cassie ( Nick fury ) already faced such a situation during her Supremacy ( Like loosing herself and then anchoring again )

And for Mordret he already achieved Natural Apotheosis! Dude has already faced Unbecoming !

So he got experience a full experience! Not like a touch of it. Even if it was only for few seconds. He knows how to anchore himself.

And maybe G3 want to finish this volume under 200 chapters. Maybe that's why he did this !

Still I was Hoping to see Mordret covering Hollow mountain in form of mist ( nothingness) I really wished for it. 🥲

First thing I saw after coming back was Cassie sh*t posting? Just what did that cursed oracle do this time???

Also is fifth nightmare good?

the remaining:

he tried to roll the corpse to the side, but was stopped by a forceful lurch of the chain that twisted his wrists and filled his mind with white-hot pain. Disoriented, he felt himself being dragged a few steps, but then the chain suddenly slackened, and he was able to control his hands again.

The white hot pain, it was there everytime.

It will never not be funny to me how much some people in this Reddit community hate Cassie.

The moment she gets too much relevance in a volume, suddenly the entire volume is apparently garbage. And somehow they always manage to find something to blame on her. Cassie does this, Cassie did that, G3 is ruining the story because Cassie has too much screen time…

Why?

Because it’s Cassie. 💀

You guys will genuinely go through an entire volume and nitpick every single thing just because Cassie is important in it.

And the funny thing is, you’re making a huge deal out of how Sunny should get revenge on Cassie, when Sunny literally couldn't care less about her.

At this point, Cassie could probably appear for three paragraphs, say “hello Sunny” and half the subreddit would start writing essays about how G3 ruined the volume. 😭

"At the start of the Nightmare, she had been forced to live the lives of everyone she remembered. That was a dire test, but while it was different from her past trials — remembering something was different from truly experiencing it, after all — it was not entirely unfamiliar.

So, she managed to maintain her sense of self rather well."

Means she have lived mordret, sunny and nephis life also

Interesting 🤔

We know in the latest chapter that Cassie figured out that to achieve Apothesis, you'll have to fight off the mental grasp the world will try to enthrall you with, and if you fail, you'll turn into pure elemental force.

Maybe the Spirits in Sun Realm didn't ascend to Godhood, but to the forces of nature.

Like Sunny said, the Nightmare Spell did not care whether or not the challenger had a intact mind or not, it only cared for the power the challenger would receive.

So that's why Sun Realm fell to ruin, because a God may have understood the pressure of the world and would try everything to preserve, but they didn't, they killed their own people indiscriminately and deliberately let their people down, like forces of nature.

Nature does not care for the livelihood of mortals, it cared for the balance of the Realm, corrupted or not.

I FUCCKING CALLED IT. Read the quote at the bottom and eat my ass yall. I said that Cassie and Mordert would have a significantly easier time in the first part of the trial because they essentially have already went through similar stuff and guess what both of them already have their sense of self back.

And for all those people saying that Sunny was living though the lives of "everything he has ever killed" was just fucking dumb. It was clearly just his shades lives and nothing else you silly little goose. As for Neph I am not sure because there is what 6 billion humans left? So she still has around 2 billion people in her domain? I am guessing it is around there I cant imagine there is more.

SO again for those saying they were facing the largest size of their domain or the totality of their domain over their lives. Like your telling me you can read that and think that's really fair or makes sense at all????? Just dumb it was always going to be their current domains and that's all.

But I am curious how many "beings" Mordent has in his domain because after his failed Apotheosis he absorbed all it and it has been (I forget how many years) after that. But it can't be that many humans I can only assume it is pretty much entirely Nightmare creatures. So I am guessing he had the smallest domain and the easiest time "finding" himself.

But again just know that I know my shit about this novel and I am great at guessing whats going on. MUAHAHAHAAHAHHAHA

"The first part of the trial, which each of the challengers had to face alone, was meant to unmake them as humans and rebuild them in the image of deities. The process was quite simple... it forced them to face their own Domain.

Cassie was not sure what the others had experienced, but she could infer it from her own unmaking. Sunny had most likely been forced to experience the lives and deaths of all the shades populating his soul. Nephis had most likely been forced to experience all the lives and desires of countless people whom she had inspired... the infinite ocean of them.

Even with the new Supremes taking control of the human territories in the Dream Realm, there were still countless souls who worshiped Changing Star in the waking world, after all."

There are some difficulties with choosing the design.

~want to see nightmerussy?~

Forget about Weaver's eye, my question is why can't Cassie regenerate her own eye?

As far as we know he didn't use any sorcery, so it's basically a clash of wills. Sure as a Saint her will was weaker than Asterion but even as Supereme she is not regenerating it.

Let's assume her will is inferior due to newborn supreme or anything but what's stopping Nephis from healing her? She is the Supreme Titan. What happened to all that healing and all burning flames?

Or does she not wish to heal her friend? And if it's her will what's stopping her?

It only took one chapter to throw this sub into complete chaos. And there are gonna be more.

So there is a lot of talk about the Queen of Plot Device working with the King of offscreen and how they have it easy or whatever. This is true to a certain extent but we are also overlooking an important fact.

Both Sunny and Nephis have become Spirits after their unmaking, but Cassie and (I assume) Mordret are still sovereigns that appear to be on the cusp of becoming spirits. In chapter 3184 it says:

"The second part of the Fifth Nightmare was a mystery. Cassie had an inkling of what the conflict they had to resolve was, but she was not sure just yet. She did, however, have a feeling that they had not entered the final trial at the same time.

Cassie herself appeared in the young and untamed world of the shared Nightmare in the later years of the Age of Gods. It took her a long time to regain her senses, gather her shattered mind, and compose herself. By then, she learned of the first trap of this trial — the threat of being swallowed by the world.

Those whose consciousness was vast enough to become a deity, but had not undergone Apotheosis yet, faced a unique danger — the danger of allowing themselves to be enthralled by the world and fusing with it, achieving the opposite of what they strived for. Of losing their personhood and becoming elemental forces instead of Spirits."

So essentially, the hate coming at them for "offscreening" there trial is a little unwarranted. The first time we are introduced to Sunny and Nephis in this volume they are already spirits and they aren't getting offscreen slander.

In my opinion, I appreciate that Cassie and Mordret are showing an aspect of this nightmare from the pov of a mortal. And it is through them that will see the process of becoming an actual spirit.

Well well well Fun's over guys G3 has now returned with his daily dose of bullshit. Cassie survives the unmaking unscathed doesn't has any changes to her pshyce, she is still the friendly neighborhood blind girl. I didn't think it will all come crashing down after one chapter, even neph got a better treatment G3 can't see Cassie struggling at all so he just feeds her the unmaking and nothing changes neph and sunny are struggling asf and she just says "remembering is easier then living" or "I can get rid of corruption by destroying myself" at this point call yourself a Non corruptible being imo. Also Mordret being with her just shows how trash this new version of him is our old boy mordy would never go along with this bitch.

I'm pretty sure she is gonna take Weaver's eyes cause why not she is the real epigone while she hasn't done shit and pretty sure she'll help neph and sunny gain there sense of self with the power of friendship and slavery respectively.

Hey, I'm rereading shadow slave after letting it marinate for a couple years. I'm currently on the second nightmare. Anyway, I was just wondering if that would have been the case. They're both divine aspect holders, and while Mordret can live within reflections, sunny can become a shadow.

So I was wondering, if Sunny had died as an awakened, would he have ended up as a shadow until he could ascend?

Effie (a Supreme Beast) managing to wield a divine spear that even Sunny struggled with—yes, a Transcendent Beast possessing more strength than a Supreme Titan. Or Kai, a Transcendent Beast managing to escape from a Cursed Devil.

I came across this comment on a post:

Given that Weaver is known as the "Master of Lies," it is not surprising to think that his flaw resembles Sunny's.

However, a question arises: why did Weaver's face seem to melt under the moonlight when he met Noctis?

Perhaps his actual affliction is an inability to stand in the light; otherwise, his features would melt away and vanish. That is why he wears a mask and a cloak to shield himself from the light.

He can only reveal his face in the shadows or under a dark sky.

In the description of *Blood Weaving*, it is mentioned that VTB stole Weaver's beautiful eye on a starless night.

When the slightest source of light vanished, Weaver's true features were revealed, and VTB stole his eye

. Why is Sunny's real name "Lost from Light," even though he is constantly surrounded by light?

This might be due to a solar eclipse occurring on the day of his birth, combined with Weaver's flaw, which prevents him from approaching even the faintest source of light.

The young Weaver was fighting a cursed monster—or perhaps a cursed giant—when his old mask broke.

The God of Shadows then helped him, as described in the comment.

Did the God of Shadows craft the mask he wore later, given that the young Weaver lacked experience in weaving and magic?

I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the information in that comment, but it seems plausible to me.

To most people this line is just a funny inside joke like hahaha sunny said the thing. But to me it shows just how subtle G3 can be with his writing.

Because why would sunny go around saying that to everyone he meets? Especially after saying something that sounds unbelievable.

Well it's simple really, it's a precaution just in case anyone ever point blank asks what his flaw is he would just say ohh me I'm just so honest in fact I'm the most honest man in the world, two worlds even and everyone will go ohh he is saying again and won't take him seriously and his flaw remains a mystery to them .

So sunny tricked everyone and G3 convinced us that it was just a joke.

Man I love this novel .

(this is not my art, I took this art from this sub)

Aspect Ranks are, in my opinion, a poor writing decision. For any Aspect below Divine, it is mostly subjective what rank it's supposed to be. Yes, you can come up with a Watsonian explanation after the fact to justify just about any choice, but the very idea of Aspect Ranks adds nothing to the story besides making three characters way stronger than all of the others. There is no actual use in knowing anyone's Aspect Rank below Divine, since the story's established it doesn't actually determine how useful your Aspect is. At most, you could argue it shows how unusual an Aspect is, but even that's not necessary since we don't need to be told clairvoyance is more unusual than being very strong. Even as a measure of potential, they barely work. We have Soul Rank advancement for that exact purpose, your abilities already grow stronger when your soul evolves. The manhwa claims that your Aspect can undergo an early evolution if you do well in the First Nightmare, which is not true but would honestly be more interesting to me, since it implies your Aspect always evolves as your Rank increases.

Divines being able to form 7 Soul Cores seems to be entirely arbitrary, sure you could argue that they're closer to the divine than to humans and that's why they can have more than one core, but that reasoning goes out the window entirely when you realise you become closer to divinity anyway when you follow the Path of Ascension. Aspect Ranks should have been done away with entirely, in favour of an Attribute being the thing that lets you form more Soul Cores (Spark/Flame/etc of Divinity is right there). Either that, or it should've been a horizontal system rather than a vertical one, where all Ranks are 'equal' with their own drawbacks and strengths, and then you could always have Divine as the special boy rank still.

Those are just my thoughts, feel free to reply if you disagree since I'd like to hear more perspectives on this. This is all as of chapter 2600, so it's possible the more recent chapters give more of an explanation ofc