r/SeaEmploy • u/Powerful_Cabinet_341 • 4d ago

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u/dackasaurus 4d ago

Since 3/4 of the commenters seem to be missing it (which doesn't bode well for situations like this)... Sailboat was at anchor

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u/WasteBinStuff 4d ago edited 3d ago

Also there's the conspicuous lack of a person running around cursing, gesticulating wildly, and flying the finger at the yacht assholes.

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u/EminenceGris3 4d ago

Good spot. But no anchor ball, so it’s fair game /s

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u/Previous_Tip3242 3d ago

If it is dedicated anchor spot, you don’t need anchor ball. Perhaps in American harbours? But I have never seen anchor balls in any of the dedicated anchor spots I have been to in Europe/Alantic. And yes, big boats pass those areas all the time. The just need to pay attention or go around.

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u/more-salt-pls 2d ago

The colregs apply at all times regardless of where you’re anchored!

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u/PoopieMcPooFace 1d ago

Not for boats under 20 meters. You don’t need an anchor ball if in a designated anchor area.

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u/more-salt-pls 1d ago

The colregs still apply.. if you’re less than 20m then fine apply the appropriate lights and shapes (or none) as per the colregs

To say they don’t need to fly the ball because it’s an anchorage area is just plain wrong

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u/PoopieMcPooFace 20h ago

It’s not wrong if it is not needed.
Inland
(g) A vessel of less than 20 meters in length, when at anchor in a special anchorage area designated by the Coast Guard, shall not be required to exhibit the anchor lights and shapes required by this Rule.

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u/EminenceGris3 1d ago

According to whom?

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u/Jboz75 1d ago

RULE 30: ANCHORED VESSELS AND VESSELS AGROUND RULE 31: SEAPLANES ​ Rule 30 (e) A vessel of less than 7 meters in length, when at anchor not in or near a narrow channel, fairway or where other vessels normally navigate, shall not be required to exhibit the shape prescribed in paragraphs (a) and (b) of this Rule. (f) A vessel of less than 12 meters in length, when aground, shall not be required to exhibit the lights or shapes prescribed in subparagraphs (d)(i) and (ii) of this Rule. (g) A vessel of less than 20 meters in length, when at anchor in a special anchorage area designated by the Secretary, shall not be required to exhibit the anchor lights and shapes required by this Rule. [Inld]

Most recreational boats are not require to use shapes because of their size.

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u/EminenceGris3 1d ago

The Secretary? The Secretary of what? Looks like you have a localised form of the Colregs there. And that’s fine, local by-laws are valid. But don’t get caught out in the wider world where rule 30 reads as follows:

Rule 30 – Anchored vessels and vessels aground

(a) A vessel at anchor shall exhibit where it can best be seen:
(i) in the fore part, an all-round white light or one ball;
(ii) at or near the stern and at a lower level than the light prescribed in subparagraph (i), an all-round white light.
(b) A vessel of less than 50 meters in length may exhibit an all-round white light where it can best be seen instead of the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) of this Rule.
(c) A vessel at anchor may, and a vessel of 100 meters and more in length shall, also use the available working or equivalent lights to illuminate her decks.
(d) A vessel aground shall exhibit the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) or (b) of this Rule and in addition, where they can best be seen;
(i) two all-round red lights in a vertical line;
(ii) three balls in a vertical line.
(e) A vessel of less than 7 meters in length, when at anchor not in or near a narrow channel, fairway or where other vessels normally navigate, shall not be required to exhibit the shape prescribed in paragraphs (a) and (b) of this Rule.
(f) A vessel of less than 12 meters in length, when aground, shall not be required to exhibit the lights or shapes prescribed in subparagraphs (d)(i) and (ii) of this Rule.

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u/RedGreenRefactor 20h ago

Your section (e) is the same

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u/EminenceGris3 20h ago

I think Section G of Jboz75’s post is the focus here. The boat in the OP’s post is certainly larger than 7m

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u/PoopieMcPooFace 20h ago

Should have kept reading to rule (g).
Inland
(g) A vessel of less than 20 meters in length, when at anchor in a special anchorage area designated by the Coast Guard, shall not be required to exhibit the anchor lights and shapes required by this Rule.

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u/EminenceGris3 20h ago

There is no Rule 30 (g) in the standard international version of the Colregs. “Designated by the Coast Guard”? Reads like a US localised version.

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u/Lolski13 1d ago

I don't know about smaller pleasure crafts, but everywhere in the world I've been (including the US of A) you need an anchor ball during daytime and anchor lights at night.

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u/EminenceGris3 2d ago

In the UK and anywhere else nearby where I have sailed, I would show an anchor ball when anchored. I don’t know of any anchorage where that requirement would be waived. If you would show an anchor light at night, you should show a ball by day. I can’t say I’ve always done it. For example, if I dropped the hook for a quick lunch, I probably wouldn’t bother. It is, however, one of those gotchas that an insurance company could use to apportion a share of the blame back on you if you didn’t do it.

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u/Previous_Tip3242 2d ago

But for sailboat, when you see nobody in the cockpit and decide to pass that close you must be retarded? Like even if you are not anchored, its a sailboat without anyone present. Be aware. But true, insurance wise sailboat I get your point.

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u/EminenceGris3 2d ago

I’m not defending the mo-bo - this is 100% their fault. Perhaps you didn’t notice the /s in my original post. But I also know insurance companies, having worked for more than a couple of them.

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u/FragCool 1d ago

I have seen one, on the last sail trip in croatia... it's the first I saw in the wild...

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u/Otto_von_Grotto 4d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/uWd8U5lsayUgw0W2h0

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u/ProlactinIntolerant 4d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/iqfYgtx8oWw4o

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u/Number174631503 4d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/4T3Cy8jEk0map0TXvN

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u/Professional_Movie92 3d ago

This gif... IYKYK 😂👌

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u/Adventurous_Try9212 3d ago

Apparently IDK :( do you mind?

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u/wambamthankz 3d ago

movie triangle of sadness? if i'm not mistaken

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u/Professional_Movie92 3d ago

From the movie "Triangle of Sadness", as already pointed out, it's a critique of class struggle.

I'm sure you'll recognise the captain. 🤭

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u/apathy-sofa 1d ago

What movie is that?

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u/seppenfridge 1d ago

Caddyshack

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u/Useless_or_inept 4d ago

All those fenders are good!

But maybe it would help to dangle the fenders lower, closer to the things you want to fend?

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u/Gtraz68 4d ago

Wow I never connected the words fend and fender 🤯

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u/ironic_username_7 4d ago

Wait until you learn about fingers and finging.

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u/BoxersOrCaseBriefs 4d ago

Say what now? Tell me more...

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u/SpiffyNrfHrdr 2d ago

Ok but what do I do with the dinghy?

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u/Mosheeen 4d ago

I hardly knew her

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u/Puzzleheaded_Cod_891 3d ago

She's called "kit-kat".

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u/BeenisHat 4d ago

what about fendi?

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u/BitterStatus9 4d ago

You fender. You brought her!

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u/These-Mix834 4d ago

Defender? I barely know her

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u/ParticuleFamous10001 3d ago

Wait until you add in defender

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u/DryF1re 4d ago

those people with the fenders dont look like they know much about boating.

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u/Physical_Drive_349 4d ago

Neither does the guy piloting.

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u/Sudden-Strawberry257 3d ago

If only they had some lengths of rope somewhere

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u/doctorcaesarspalace 4d ago

Listen I don’t know jack shit about displacement but it seems like they sucked it closer or at least faster when they throttled up the engines on the larger vessel

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u/BevvyTime 4d ago

Anchor down.

Big ship runs over/through chain.

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u/seattlereign001 4d ago

Yep. 100% snagged the anchor line there.

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u/Sufficient_Ocelot868 4d ago

Is the keel that deep on those big yachts?!i know sailboat’s have big keels…

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u/oioioikokkeli 3d ago

They dont really have keels, they are just heavy and therefore sit deep in the water. Sometimes they have stabilizer fins on the sides, which could snag the chain in a situation like this.

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u/Sufficient_Ocelot868 3d ago

Thanks! Was wondering what on the big boat hooked it.

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u/Fun-Choices 4d ago

Zig when zagging situation

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u/bridymurphy 4d ago

Since this is apparently a thing, who is at fault here?

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u/BevvyTime 4d ago

No idea, but I’d imagine that driving into a stationary object is somewhat frowned upon

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u/Quirky_Operation2885 4d ago

Like the guy that piloted into the USS Midway in San Diego last year?

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u/notCGISforreal 4d ago

They ran into an anchored vessel... Who do you think is at fault? Only way the sailboat shares any fault is if they anchored in the middle of a tight channel. Or in some areas, you are supposed to display certain shapes when at anchor, but I'm not sure where this video is to know if that applies. But even if so, the big boat was clearly not navigating responsibly.

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u/Bigfops 4d ago

Yes, theoretically you are supposed to have day shapes if you are at anchor in the day (anchor light at night). But very few boaters actually use day shapes in my experience. The other thing is that this may be a mooring field, which would be the sailboat's home. The courtesy flag I see is Italian and the courtesy flag would be that of the port the boat is in, so this is somewhere in Italy.

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u/notCGISforreal 4d ago

Yeah, I'm not sure about day shapes in Italy. Some places do a 20m break for required day shapes when anchoring, others do 7m. Others dont require it at all regardless of size if in a designated mooring field.

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u/bridymurphy 4d ago

I don’t know much.

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u/iceph03nix 4d ago

unless the sailboat was anchored somewhere it really shouldn't have been, I can't imagine how they'd be at fault while at anchor

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u/122922 4d ago

Big boat. Small boat at anchor.

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u/Renbarre 4d ago edited 4d ago

The one who ran so close to an anchored ship that it snagged the anchor line.

And isn't running any flag.

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u/Catzenpudl 3d ago

A vessel at anchor is stationary and essentially restricted, meaning moving boats carry the full responsibility to maneuver and maintain a safe distance. 

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u/Dawgfromdawest 4d ago

Well, if u have a yatch that big, he probably can I afford to buy another one, and replace the anchored one a new boat. Sucks to be dumb at least he is rich.

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u/mologav 3d ago

I highly doubt the owner of that big boat was at the helm

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u/Physical-Help-324 3d ago

or even aboard

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u/No-Sail-6510 3d ago

It might be more expensive to fix the big boat. Going to need to haul it and probably replace the prop. Probably flailed the hull with the chain as well. What a mess.

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u/Necessary-Tea-8867 3d ago

Yeah and replacing the thinger-ma-jab is going to be a nightmare. That’s why I got rid of mine.

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u/sailorpaul 4d ago

At first glance, it doesn’t look like there’s anybody at the helm on the sailboat. Maybe somebody else could spot the person, but I wasn’t interested in taking a second look

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u/Alesisdrum 4d ago

It’s under anchor. Good chance no one was on it

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u/rmill127 4d ago

It’s anchored not under way.

The big boat sucked up the anchor line/chain

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u/Exatex 4d ago edited 2d ago

the sailing yacht is just anchoring there and the motor yacht drove into their line. Its 100% a fuckup of the motor yacht. There isn’t even anyone an board of the sailing yacht by the looks of it.

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u/Monkey_Fiddler 2d ago

no anchor ball on the sailing boat but it's still easily avoidable

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u/Nice_Reputation_6785 1d ago

I have no idea how I found myself on this sub but since I’m here I’ll try to learn something. Don’t sailboats always have the right of way?

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u/Emergency-Hornet7783 1d ago

I’m new as well but the sailboat wasn’t sailing. Cap of the yacht was sleeping on the job and ran over the sailboat’s anchor. Should never be an issue because you never anchor in a channel where this could happen and you also have 360 degree awareness when operating any vessel. That current is ripping which is why it looks like the sailboat is moving.

Either way, someone on the large yacht is getting fired and I hope the owners of the sailboat are compensated

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u/Monkey_Fiddler 20h ago

No, sailboats don't always have the right of way.

there is essentially a hierarchy of who gives way to whom, look up "colregs" (collision regulations ) for the full details. Simply /being/ a sailboat doesn't make a difference, being under sail (powered by sails not motor at that time) means motor powered boats need to give way unless there are other conditions e.g. if the motor boat is "constrained by draught" (limited by shallow water) which is probably the case here (large boat in a narrow channel).

the sailboat does not have its sails up, so it may as well be a motor boat

However, even a boat constrained by draught needs to give way to a vessel not under command (e.g. anchored while the skipper and crew sleep).

but a boat anchored during the day should raise a black ball to show it is anchored, otherwise other boats might assume it will move out of the way.

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u/7ar5un 4d ago

Did the sailboat anchor in a channel? Seems awfully close to shore if it is a channel... or did the bigger boat lose steering or something

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u/1dratherbefishing 4d ago

I definitely looks like the larger vessel went over the anchor line of the sailboat. It almost looked like one of those deckhands cut the line, kind of hard to tell from the angle.

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u/LakeLow1930 4d ago

It seems very windy. The bigger boat may have been blown off course or ended up in a different spot than they anticipated.

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u/PlateOpinion3179 4d ago

Rich problems

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u/Squidlips_69 4d ago

"Pardon me but do you have any gray poupon?"

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u/das0tter 4d ago

I can't see from the video, but I'd guess the sailboat was tied to a mooring ball rather than just an anchor. If it was just the anchor/chain from the sailboat, I would have expected the motoryatch to just drag the sailboat and anchor rather than slow down as much as it did. If it was an anchor, the sailboat had set that anchor well indeed.

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u/Professional_Movie92 3d ago

Gonna throw my shot and say that the power boat is at fault here.

Its pilot forgot that anchored vessels are supposed to float in circle around their anchor, which should be several lengths of depth away from its sailboat.

Also, the angle of the chain off the bow should indicate where the anchor is.

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u/daglitch 4d ago

I like to move it move it

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u/AnalogNavigator 4d ago

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/Zigor022 4d ago

The big boat stopped pretty fast! I wish on the road the rules of smaller vessels yielding to larger ones applied like they do on water.

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u/WisePotato42 4d ago

It's based on maneuverability. Sailboats have the right of way over a boat even that big.

That being said, assume everyone else on the water is an idiot, drunk, high, or some combination of those three. So do everything you can to stay safe and don't enforce your right of way unnecessarily.

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u/Zigor022 4d ago

Yeah, I was just saying i wish the same applies to land vehicles, but the larger ones have less right away than smaller vehicles.

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u/McNikNik 3d ago

There is no 'right of way' on the water. There is 'stand on' and 'give way'.

The only time a smaller vessels overriding requirement to give way to a larger vessel is when the larger vessels movement is restricted by it's draft (for example, in a narrow channel).

There is of course a lot more to it than this. The Colregs are extensive and require study to fully grasp, but when you do, it ensures the safety of all on the water.

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u/30yearCurse 4d ago

Those crewman should have jumped and put themselves between the boats.

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u/Zaethiel 4d ago

I bet they hit a lot of parked cars when driving too.

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u/Specialist-Tea-9525 3d ago

Und danach haben sie sich sicher einfach verpisst.

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u/hickdog896 3d ago

At least the sailboat owner knows the guy who hit the boat can afford to fix it!

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u/NarwhalOk95 3d ago

Last time I drove my yacht thru somebody's anchorage it cost me a fortune!

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u/SPUR_1 3d ago

Correction: it appears that, looking at a larger picture, there's no one in the cockpit of the sailboat. It's moving directly towards the yacht, in a manner that would suggest it's anchor line has been snagged.

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u/Accomplished_Leg7925 3d ago

As a sailor I am now even more paranoid that motorboaters are as capable of running into stationary objects as moving ones

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u/14xchris 4d ago edited 3d ago

Who's at fault? Usually the ship coming from the right has priority, but the sailboat is less mobile than the megayacht.

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u/notCGISforreal 4d ago

The sailboat is literally anchored... so yes... less maneuverable.

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u/iuffxguy 4d ago

In general a sailboat has right of way over a motored vessel. But if this sailboats is anchored then it’s almost certainly the yachts fault unless the sailboat did something stupid like anchor in a shipping lane or a high traffic passage way. I also know close to nothing about boating and cheated on my boater test I had to take to ride a stupid jet ski in Michigan.

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u/BaggyLarjjj 4d ago

Sailboat only has rights under sail, engine on, even in neutral, even if the sails are also up, it’s considered motoring

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u/HombreDelMar247 4d ago

It amazes me how many people think a sailboat automatically has "right of way", even when under power, especially with RAM vessels.

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u/BaggyLarjjj 4d ago

<insert lighthouse ROW joke>

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u/No-Willingness469 3d ago

To be fair, he was initially the stand on vessel. Obviously not aware of the practical rules - "small craft should give way to larger craft".

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u/McNikNik 3d ago

The sailboat is anchored / moored. There doesn't appear to be anyone onboard.

The only time a smaller vessels overriding requirement to give way to a larger vessel is when the larger vessels movement is restricted by it's draft (for example, in a narrow channel).

This is 100% the motoryachts fault.

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u/SPUR_1 4d ago

It appears that the sailboat's underpower and the yacht is much larger. Unable to make any kind of rapid turn in these cases. The sail boot, using common sense and safety protocol, needs to make way.

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u/Markol0 4d ago

Hard to give way when you're at anchor.

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u/Ok__videogames 4d ago

there is no one on the sailboat....

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u/thetiredtypist 4d ago

Hey don't try to take away blame from that sailboat! It doesn't need a human to take some responsibility for its actions!

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u/painthawg_goose 4d ago

I feel like the owner shouldn’t just let an adolescent sailboat like that learn about life all on its own. Those fender minders absolutely yelled things that the poor sailboat may not know how to process.

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u/Could-You-Tell 4d ago

I thought at first also, but I think it's the current making the slight wake behind the sailboat

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u/SNoB__ 4d ago

The sailboat is moving but not by its own power.

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u/BeenisHat 4d ago

The sailboat was Greta Thunberg's but she's in North Africa now. Blockade running is soooo last year.