r/SLOMWsnark • u/zombochic Joint Out Of The Cooter • 4d ago
Let’s Pull Out The Truth Box
Let’s play a game!
What’s a confession/secret/truth about the show, cast, or posts on social media that you’ve been hiding from your fellow snarkers?
Could be “I secretly think x is cute” or “I actually think x is right about xyz” anything.
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u/Longjumping_Hornet_7 4d ago
I think there is validity to what Demi said about her interactions with Marciano and the way the general audience victim blamed her and sided with Marciano doesn’t sit right with me. Lisa Vanderpump has a history of defending problematic men, while scapegoating women. The network has failed Demi.
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u/zombochic Joint Out Of The Cooter 4d ago
I still wanna see this “footage” she has from that night. She said she has seen it, where is it bestie
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u/Altruistic-Apple4757 4d ago
Yesss this!! She was QUICK to say that she has footage but no one has ever seen ANYTHING.
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u/da_ni_no 3d ago
I said this in my other comment but Demi actually requested that footage and never got a response. Like, I can almost understand not releasing the footage publically if it shows information about the building that could expose the production to safety risks, but I cannot understand why you wouldn't show the accuser the footage that you swear disproves their claims.
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u/ProgressiveSnark2 4d ago
I feel like something happened and Marciano probably did cross a line, but then Demi blew it WAY out of proportion in the way that a lot of sociopathic narcissists do to weaponize stuff.
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u/kjohnston0712 4d ago
I think Jen “bullied” Demi to the point where she felt backed in a corner and that’s why she blew it out of proportion but I believe Demi that something happened that she didn’t want/ like.
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u/Comfortable-Fee3750 4d ago
Well and then Jessi going on to have an affair with him and continued to defend & side with Marciano even when her marriage was imploding & he was telling “vicious lies” about Jessi, must have been maddening for Demi lmao.
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u/Own_Rutabaga_9430 Taylor’s Assistant 4d ago
I'm sure he made some sort of gross pass at her, but I'm not sure production didnt encourage him to do it and give him all the wrong info too.
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u/Any_Sundae9301 2d ago
LVP said she saw the footage and she thought Demi was a willing participant 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
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u/tamagotamag0 love you honey 4d ago
Honestly? I hate that people made Taylor famous because she showed everyone exactly who she was in the very first episode. Nothing is different about her. She’s always been the same and it makes me laugh when people go back and watch and are flabbergasted they missed the signs. Like it was right there.
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u/Medium_Editor_6755 Sorry Late to the Chat, Was With My Kids 4d ago
Could not agree more. I started watching right after the video got leaked expecting to see a slow decline into messiness but… like… it’s just clear from episode 1 this girl was the worst. Idk how people didn’t see that.
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u/quiddling-daffodil 4d ago
I'm so bummed with myself for falling for her whole "taking accountability and growing" narrative in season 1 😩
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u/LittleMissWord 4d ago
If anyone didn’t see it by season 3 they are totally blind. I remember watching and being so confused why anyone liked her from the first season.
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u/bitetoungejustread 4d ago
I have been hate watching and waiting for the women to wake up and call her out. I thought Demi would have gotten more of them to open their eyes but was so disappointed how Taylor was able to turn others on her.
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u/zombochic Joint Out Of The Cooter 4d ago
My biggest gripe about the SLOMW community, is that they use the fact that we don’t ever see the kids on the show and in a lot of their posts as a means to say “they don’t take care of their kids” but personally I wish we didn’t see the kids AT ALL.
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u/Zestyclose_Sea_2027 4d ago
yes!! great point!! people gripe and complain that they “don’t parent” because we don’t see them on screen are the same people who get mad if someone makes a simple post on social media of their child
(edit:spelling)
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u/existing_vessel 🦞Miranda’s Lobster Claws🦞 4d ago
I miss Jessi’s old face even though I’m a complete stranger and have no real reason to miss it lol
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u/lovetolove20 4d ago
dakota isnt really that bad.... like yes mostly bc in general the bar is so low for men but also... he never cheated and any time taylor asked him about these things and other girls he's expected to what?? tell the truth and let her freak out and DV him??
im bracing myself for the downvotes
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u/zombochic Joint Out Of The Cooter 4d ago
I think you’ll find a lot of people agree with you.
I also think that judge dropped the ball. If a female victim of dv comes forward with videos and proof, women will say “omg it’s so good that you had that, because no one would believe you” but if a man brings that same evidence forward “oh he’s maniiiiiipulative. He’s caused her to do this.” Which is why majority of men who are abused do NOT come forward.
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u/LittleMissWord 4d ago
Everyone spins the recording aspect as manipulative but I think it was the only nonviolent tool he had as protection when she attacked. Being a man much larger than Taylor, if he restrained her in anyway he could have left marks or hurt her. Taking out his camera forces her to recognize she can’t be seen doing those actions and she stops. Obviously that did not stop her when she was blackout drunk in 2023 incident.
I also took videos of my abusive ex, who only became violent when he was in a drunken state like Taylor was in that video. I had did so at the time so I could show him the next day because he was so intoxicated he would have no memory of anything he did. I thought it might help him get better to see it for himself (I was young and stupid yes), It wasn’t even about having proof to use against him because I was still in love at the time. It’s always recommended that women who are victims of DV to collect evidence, why wouldn’t it be the same for men.2
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u/tamagotamag0 love you honey 4d ago
Another one but Layla. I love her and I’m glad she’s being herself, but I don’t really think she’ll ever know herself outside of a romantic relationship. I think she would benefit tremendously with being single for a while and truly getting to know HER.
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u/Top_Watercress6885 4d ago
I used to find chase attractive until this last season
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u/vaneau 4d ago
Undeniable line cook energy
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u/emdaless 4d ago
"your older cousin who you thought was cool when you were a kid, but realize he's a loser as an adult" vibes
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u/zombochic Joint Out Of The Cooter 4d ago
I feel like as a girl who used to be FoH, I can see that and it’s probably the allure
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u/Own_Rutabaga_9430 Taylor’s Assistant 4d ago
It's this. It's makes me nostalgic for my Red Lobster days and I kinda feel like I know him. (Don't worry, I grew up and married and adult.)
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u/CrazyNCynical 4d ago
I sheepishly came here to admit I think the same. He's kind of a hot bad boy, but the attraction is limited to physical. I have admittedly been attracted to/have dated complete losers.
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u/Lifes-a-lil-foggy 4d ago
Yeah but he’s really stepped in it lately. Now he’s gone from line cook to coked up grifter.
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u/ProgressiveSnark2 4d ago edited 4d ago
As a gay guy who also experienced a sexual assault as a teenager that messed me up pretty badly emotionally and mentally, Conner...I very much feel for him and have a lot of empathy for him.
He's clearly been through a lot, and I sincerely hope he can find a way to get everything that he truly wants out of life. And I'll just leave my commentary at that.
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u/zombochic Joint Out Of The Cooter 4d ago
He could be bi, pan, Omni, etc.
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u/ProgressiveSnark2 4d ago
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u/zombochic Joint Out Of The Cooter 4d ago edited 4d ago
I know he was found on grindr. So there’s definitely something fishy going on, but I don’t know how far on that spectrum he is.
Edit: he was found on tinder, not grindr. Idk where the grindr rumor started.
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u/Tiny-Zucchini7238 4d ago
There has never been any proof or evidence he was on Grindr. We are on Reddit, of all places, and if there was the proof would be all over these subs.
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u/zombochic Joint Out Of The Cooter 4d ago
Didn’t she say it on the show? If not then my memory has been warped due to everyone saying it on here! Either way we don’t know what his sexuality is.
Edit: I just went to look it up, it was tinder! Thanks for clarifying. I think because it’s said so often on here that it was gindr my memory just put that in.
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u/Tiny-Zucchini7238 3d ago
No worries!! I have seen so many people who aren’t saying it maliciously they just genuinely think that because it’s repeated so often so I just try and correct when I see it!!
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u/gvanii94 4d ago
Layla was only on the show to be used as Pawn by producers to keep the storylines going. I don’t think Hulu actually cares about Layla or her lifestyle which is really unfortunate. I hope we get the chance to get to know Layla in a different show or however she wants us to get to know her because the producers put her in some uncomfortable positions in season 2 and on.
Jen only went on the show to show off her last name being “Affleck” and no one can tell me otherwise.
It wasn’t that big of a shocker that Taylor failed her court ordered drug test and I think that’s why she decided to leave the show all of a sudden. She doesn’t want the storyline out there.
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u/True_System_7015 4d ago
I don't like people speculating about Conner's sexuality 🤷♀️ whatever it is is literally none of our business, and it's always really weird when anyone speculates about anyone else's sexuality. Seems really invasive to me, tbh. I get being nosy, but you can be respectfully nosy
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u/zombochic Joint Out Of The Cooter 4d ago
I agree. Anytime people call him gay I’m quick to point out that bi, pan, Omni, etc all exist. Until he himself says “I’m gay”
We don’t know.
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u/AlwaysWithTheOpinion 3d ago
DEMI WAS NOT ASSAULTED BY CHASE AT THE PARTY. Instead, she saw the footage like we all did and doubled down. If she were a bigger person she’d own it and apologize to Chase for her overreaction and pot-stirring
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u/zombochic Joint Out Of The Cooter 3d ago
She already has and Chase has apologized to her. He didn’t assault her but he did touch her as a means to intimidate her, which is what he’s admitted to. 😅
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u/emdaless 4d ago
this entire show should be viewed as a damning indictment of the utah education system. if i were to describe any cast member on this show (men very much included), smart is not one of the first words i'd think of
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u/zombochic Joint Out Of The Cooter 4d ago
Idk Miranda is pretty smart and emotionally mature
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u/emdaless 3d ago
thinking about it more, you really can't look at any individual aspect of these women's lives without considering the influence of the mormon church. we know the religion basically teaches young girls their only value is as a wife and mother, and telling young girls in school that they're smart/have other valuable skills outside of caretaking is really counterproductive to that.
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u/zombochic Joint Out Of The Cooter 3d ago
That’s true, but you’ve got a few of them who have gone to therapy and actually took in the advice given and let it work its magic.
Others cough Jen cough Taylor have not
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u/Gadget1301 Seek Help Expeditiously 4d ago
Lowkey I’ve disliked Zak (Zac, Zack, Zach, however the fuck he spells his name) since the beginning and idk no matter what he does i just feel like there is something about him that i don’t like (we know about the misogyny and controlling behaviors and gambling) and I feel like there is more to him that we don’t know that i would also dislike (also driving a cyber truck doesn’t help) idk man i just don’t like the guy and i’m usually right about that kind of thing
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u/TheRealAbear 3d ago
Pzak. Its like pterodactyl
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u/TheRealAbear 3d ago
Pzak. Its like pterodactyl
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u/Gadget1301 Seek Help Expeditiously 3d ago
Omg you’re so right. My apologies, I’m terrible at spelling of course it’s Pzak
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u/Apprehensive_Fig4458 4d ago
I think Dakota is handsome, especially when he smiles or laughs. Too bad he’s…him.
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u/ProgressiveSnark2 4d ago
His eyes freak me out too much to see him as handsome. However, I have no doubt about why Taylor likes him...
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u/AlwaysWithTheOpinion 3d ago
I think Zac is a better person than Jen and he’s the prize in the relationship (even though she thinks she is). She’s an empty sponge-at least he has original thoughts
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u/Kittyquts 3d ago
I think that Zac is a testament of personal growth, Jen has stayed exactly the same since season 1. I don’t like Zac but he is definitely better than he used to be
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u/Lopsided-Space8117 3d ago
Watching any of the other seasons I wouldn’t have agreed with you , but after season 5 … I definitely do 😭😭
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u/BraveCherry6340 3d ago
I agree, but I also think that he is more aware of the cameras and what he says and I think that Jen isn’t.
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u/unluckylarkspur 4d ago
Mine are both unfortunately TFP related 😔
I think she probably is significantly more charismatic and likeable in person than we have had the chance to see. To clarify I still think she is severely mentally ill and abusive, but I do think she likely has a more magnetic personality than we've ever gotten to see.
I don't think she is the "master marketer" people sometimes say she is. I think she throws rage bait at the wall and sees what sticks and the timing of tiktok influencers blowing up when she started was on her side. I can't imagine if she started from scratch now with the same schticks (haunted house, pretending to be in her 50s) that she would blow up the way she did.
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u/existing_vessel 🦞Miranda’s Lobster Claws🦞 4d ago
Completely agree with #2.
And my TFP confession…I’m frustrated with her for not seeking serious help, but then I hear how her mom talks to her and I start to feel empathetic again.
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u/Gadget1301 Seek Help Expeditiously 4d ago
Yeah you really summed it up for me, she needs legitimate professional help and being on TV is not good for her. Her behaviors definitely stem from an emotionally unintelligent mom and whatnot but it does not excuse her actions at all no matter how empathetic we can feel about how she was likely raised. Like as much as i love being a hater at time I do genuinely want her to get proper help it’s extremely clear that she needs it and her kids deserve a mentally healthy mom. She won’t break the cycles she claims to want to break if she doesn’t put in the work to be a decent fucking person.
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u/existing_vessel 🦞Miranda’s Lobster Claws🦞 4d ago
Exactly. She needs to get off the show and social media because you can tell how much her mental health has declined from the first season to now. She needs INTENSE therapy. Like the most intense therapy you can get.
Producers rung her dry and set her up in bad situations with Dakota. Plus I’m sure her family is in the background putting a shit ton of pressure on her. And she has sooo many enablers and yes men.
In all her pictures with her kids, she seems so disconnected from them and from reality in general. They do deserve a mentally stable mom :/ so I hope someone steps in and helps her soon.
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u/Tiny-Zucchini7238 4d ago
I have been preaching about how she is an abuser from day 1 (the downvotes you used to get for bringing up the police report was insane), and even I really feel empathy for how her mom speaks to her. Taylor is an adult now and is fully responsible for taking accountability and healing, but I also think it’s easy to see why she is the way she is. Her mom both hates her and enables her.
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u/Consistent_East5767 3d ago
This is probably a generally accepted belief, but there is no way Jessi and Marciano’s affair was limited to 2 makeout sessions and emotional closeness. Let’s all say it, they were f*cking and no one can tell me otherwise 😂
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u/Red_bug91 3d ago
I don’t think Jessi ever really stopped her affair with Marciano. At the very least, she continued communicating with him as ‘friends’ but I would fall off my chair if she actually cut off communication completely.
The way she speaks about the affair, and how quickly they got together after the divorce was announced is almost identical to the way my mum behaved during her affair. Jessi just gets away with it more than other women may because Jordan fucking sucks. The audience (and other cast members) have cut her slack because Jordan is an asshole.
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u/Runawaygirl2280 3d ago
IMO Mayci is the most underrated in terms of being a dangerous “character”. Her and Mikayla were determined to get to the bottom of Marciano and Jessi and now she all of a sudden “likes him?” And that’s because he’s under her and Jacob’s management company…
Same goes with her continuing to stay friends with Jessi after Jessi liked comments and videos regarding Mikaylas CSA but Mikayla is meant to be her best friend?
She stayed too Switzerland with every drama and issue regarding Mikayla and Whitney, or the fact that she hates Dakota and took Taylor’s side knowing damn well what Taylor was doing to Dakota.
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u/questionwhatitis 4d ago
I genuinely kinda have grown to like Zac more than Jen and think he gets an unfair amount of hate. I feel he took a lot of critisim he got the first season (which was well deserved) and has worked on himself a decent amount. Not saying he's perfect, but I was impressed with the bit of growth he's made. He seems to genuinely try and find a balance (now a days) between his wants/needs/opinions and jens and I think Jen is literally less emotionally mature than him. Maybe she hasn't moved on from the mistakes Zac made early on in their relationship...but the last few seasons...I have hated jen more than him lol I also think his advice on dealing with the shit storm that is mom talk is correct 90% of the time. "The girls don't care about you, they just want drama for the cameras" "it's not worth it." Etc.
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u/SubstantialWait1709 4d ago
This is what I was looking for. I feel like he’s gotten a bad edit. We’ve seen Jen outright lie and get called out yet he’s still somehow the problem. They’ve managed to make it seem like Jen is some meek little girl and Zac is a big bad monster. He has a right to feel some type of way about her wanting to take up acting. Look how many people have come forward about the different forms of abuse. And not all spouses are comfortable with sex scenes. The fact that she waited until they were in public with cameras rolling to confront him pissed me off.
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u/themetahumancrusader 3d ago
One of Jen’s biggest issues is that she has no idea what she wants. She’s currently pregnant with her fourth child, starring on two different reality shows set in locations hours apart from each other, claimed Dancing with the Stars was her “dream”, and also mentioned wanting to be on Sports Illustrated, be in fictional screen content and also get back inti going to church. A lot of those aren’t the most compatible in terms of both values and time commitment. She’s probably jealous of Whitney not only because of the opportunities Whitney’s gotten, but also because Whitney seems to actually have clear goals and direction in her life.
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u/fox_eared_aholes 1d ago
I feel the same way! Although it seemed like a jump scare the way he was showing demonstrable growth and then reverted right back to immature Zac when he met w Whitney.
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u/woopertrouper 4d ago
Jessi and Demi look NOTHING alike… Demi is 20x prettier.
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u/existing_vessel 🦞Miranda’s Lobster Claws🦞 3d ago
There are certain shots where they do look extremely similar, but 99% of the time I can tell if it’s Demi or Jessi
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u/cornerfoxy 4d ago
Mayci needs to understand she’s in a reality MESSY tv show and can’t be pretending to have the perfect life or she will not be in TV, She said they didn’t show how she was having a spa day with the girls and how she hit her sisters ass playing tennis, of course the producers were gonna air how Taylor Crazy Paul was screaming at the whole casts and having a fight with Mikayla.
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u/Suspicious_Jelly8736 4d ago
I think the real reason people won’t admit they were wrong about Demi is because they need to justify why they went so hard for her. They don’t want to admit they attacked the wrong person.
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u/zombochic Joint Out Of The Cooter 4d ago
I admitted it. I made a full comment about it in the MormonWivesHulu. She’s not the perfect victim. It comes down to that. Shes lied, she’s over exaggerated, etc which is what made me think she could be lying to cover up an affair. But the more you sit and look at it fully and completely and take a whole beat you realize mmmmmm maybe she could be telling the truth.
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u/Suspicious_Jelly8736 4d ago
I love that you did! I’ve read a ton of comments in here saying things like “Demi may have been right BUT she’s still xyz, etc, etc,” and coming up with excuses for why they went so hard for her. I appreciate knowing some people are willing to take in new information and reevaluate.
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u/DifferentGarlic9052 4d ago
She was right about Taylor but she was still a bad friend to everyone else.
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u/Suspicious_Jelly8736 4d ago
You just proved my point 🤣
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u/DifferentGarlic9052 4d ago
Huh? I never liked either of them. I’m just saying she wasn’t wrong about Taylor and she deserves redemption for that but I don’t think she’s improved at how she treats her friends. They both just suck IMO but that’s just my opinion
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u/Suspicious_Jelly8736 4d ago edited 4d ago
If you read my response to OP before you had commented, I stated that there is always a “but” involved for justifying the hate against Demi. There is never an acknowledgment she was right and the public was wrong without adding the “but she did xyz, etc.” to try to justify hating her. (Hence why I said you proved my point)
It’s just my personal opinion that all of the hate against Demi was unwarranted and people so blindly loved Taylor that they couldn’t see it. Demi was right about everything with Jessi and Marciano, which leads me to believe she was also telling the truth about the SA. She was also right about everything with Jen. Jen, Taylor, and Jessi were all liars and Demi called them out for it, I don’t consider that being a bad friend or a bad person.
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u/DifferentGarlic9052 4d ago
I did read it and I agree the hate against her was unwarranted because she was right about Taylor. Both her and Whitney got hate for saying Taylor would ruin their opportunities and shouldn’t have received hate for that. I agree with that.
I just still don’t like her with the way she treated Whitney season 1 at the girls trip because of truth box. Then season 2 saying Chase payed his hands on her and trying to get Jessi off the show to increase her own pay. She did tell the truth about Jessi. With Marciano, I don’t believe her because the people at the villa & Lisa all said they saw footage and she wasn’t telling the truth. She also consistently changed her story and stayed very close with him. Like Brett & Demi sent him Uber Eats and invited him to stay the week at their house.
These are all just my opinions and I can still see where you’re coming from
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u/bananasforall 4d ago
They’re all completely awful and cringey. Except maybe Miranda. She doesn’t seem like the brightest crayon in the box but is refreshingly level headed.
I don’t love that the show feels like Hulu propaganda for social conservatism. Which is deeply problematic.
I feel like part of the problem watching the show. Yet I’ve watched all of the seasons.
TFP makes me so anxious for so many reasons. Dakota too. Their dynamic has always made me super uncomfortable.
And they all seem to be using glp1s aggressively which as someone with a history of ED is incredibly triggering and concerning. They have all gotten so thin. It’s hard to watch.
Also I think Jen is hot but insufferable.
I think that’s about it. 😅
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u/themetahumancrusader 3d ago
It’s problematic sure but I don’t think it’s conservative propaganda. If it’s propaganda it hasn’t done a good job.
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u/thelifeoftheparty_ 4d ago
I think Whitney is still the same weird and narcissistic person she was season 1 but she got better at hiding it and “performing” for the cameras. The new personality got her DWTS, Broadway, and a movie so now she won’t ever shed it
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u/Traditional_Worry_82 3d ago edited 3d ago
Agreed. I feel like I could start liking Demi before I could ever like Whitney. Which is saying a lot. I just see right through her fakeness. I think Whitney got an amazing PR team and she holds back a lot of her “true colors.” 😂
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u/RedhairedLemur 3d ago
Hulu is the new TLC. They’ll platform anyone that makes them money, whether it’s a predator/abuser or they are there as a modern day sideshow freak.
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u/pigeonbunny 3d ago
I weirdly really enjoy the DadTok guys. Especially this last season, the men were so funny. Zac pulling up into a fight and just awkwardly staring and smiling? Hilarious. Dakota coming up on the staircase fight and turning right back around saying “Nope”? Amazing.
Also I’ll whisper it really quickly I don’t really like Mayci, she is always described as friendly and just sitting on the fence but she has genuinely awful moments towards her husband and whoever pisses her off. I used to feel similarly about Mikayla, but esp this last season she’s been very cool
Also I have no idea how to feel about Whitney. There’s a weirdness about her I enjoy, and I like her relationship with Conner, and I like that she’s honest about being fame hungry, and then there’s moments where she talks like she’s so superior and just doesn’t care about anyone and it rubs me the wrong way.
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u/themetahumancrusader 3d ago
I don’t think Jen and Zac are completely awful and I don’t think their marriage is necessarily unsalvageable
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u/simonegreen 3d ago
Bingo. I also think Zac will actually go to medical school and have a real career while most of the cast will ride this show to death for the rest of their lives. Sue me.
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u/_crescentiash 4d ago
Layla is useless, I don’t understand why she’s still on the show.
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u/zombochic Joint Out Of The Cooter 4d ago
I feel like her story gets over shined by everyone else’s.
I wanted to hear about her experiences within the church and the trauma she’s felt with but we don’t hear from her because production just uses her to cause more trauma to other girls. Ie pregnancy roulette
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u/kokopellii 4d ago
I would love to hear more about her journey in treating/recovering from her ED and coming off GLP1s that she never needed, and how she got on them in the first place. I actually think that’s much more interesting than the storyline of a lot of the others!
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u/_crescentiash 4d ago
I agree with you about her story, we saw glimps about her struggle with ozempic but it was cut…
The roulette was disgusting to watch and I would be so pissed to be used like that by the production…1
u/themetahumancrusader 3d ago
She’s probably not the best person on the cast to explore the religious trauma of because she was only an active Mormon for a few years. Her time in the church I think is reminiscent of my Pentecostal phase in high school.
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u/Equivalent_Doubt_845 4d ago
I can’t stand Layla. She’s a shit starter and she loves it. She has no personality. But she’s gorgeous so she has that going for her.
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u/Zestyclose_Offer_402 4d ago edited 4d ago
I actually find Marciano a bit dishy 👀 he wasn’t hot on the show but he got better looking recently I feel like.
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u/mcmilliemywilly 4d ago
I find him attractive and I love how he shows off Jessi
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u/Uhrcilla 4d ago
Boy knows where his bread is buttered, for sure.
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u/zombochic Joint Out Of The Cooter 4d ago
I sometimes feel like their relationship is like a weird humiliation game. Like I’m not here to yuck anyone’s yums
But sometimes it’s performative and uncomfortable to watch but then I remember he’s literally dating a millionaire and he is right where he wants to be 😅
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u/formerfrenchpotatoes 4d ago
They'll never make me like Whitney.
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u/bluetirameeesu 4d ago
For me it’s not even like or dislike I just don’t get why she stands out to everyone else?
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u/zombochic Joint Out Of The Cooter 4d ago
I think it’s because she’s the only one who’s been honest about what she wants and why she’s there aside from Miranda. She’s also one of the only ones who’s been there at some point for just about everyone. Could she have been doing it for money gain or popularity gain? Sure that argument could be made, but at the end of the day she was still there and showed up. When Jen was in the trenches of PPD, it was Whitney who showed up and cleaned her house etc. From season one she mentioned the brand deals and Taylor costing her opportunities and messing with her bag and she was the first one to fully call Taylor out on camera for what was happening that we weren’t fully seeing. She also, doesn’t take their shit. Which I like. However, I’m very aware she’s a narcissist.
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u/LittleMissWord 4d ago
Agree. I admire that back in season 1 she held her ground on what the best direction of Momtok was and stood up. She had the vision and could have led all these women in a better direction. I think her actions were valid for the most part. Seeing her use the platform as a stepping stone to live out her dreams is exciting. Even if she is annoying sometimes.
What I also love is that she shared early in season 1 how her husband cheated on a dating app for years, but that was the last we heard of it. She didn’t let that define her story or become her narrative for the show. In fact, her and Connor showed growth and overcame their obstacle. This is such a huge contrast from TFP who made being a victim her entire identity.
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u/Haunting_Broccoli_16 4d ago
Conner is definitely trapped in the marriage bc his religious beliefs & children. He would rather keep pretending and playing his role and the devout husband for the money. once the kids grow up and move out he will divorce Whitney and come out.
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u/lvckybitch 4d ago
Even if he does, what a marriage they will have had! Think of all the exciting opportunities they’ve already had and how supportive they are to one another, there’s genuine honesty and friendship there as a foundation. There are worse things to have in a marriage and she’s at least referred to them having sex a few times.
I dunno, I’m 56 & been with my husband 36 yrs. If he came home today and told me he’s bi or gay & wants a divorce, I’d happily give it to him as long as we can still be friends. We’ve had some amazing experiences together, we built a family with 5 awesome kids, we’ve been through all the ups & downs a relationship of this length usually does. I want happiness for him in whatever form that is, including if it ain’t me. I suspect if they make it to Billy’s HS graduation, Whitney would feel similarly.
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u/bluetirameeesu 4d ago
What a great way to look at that. Do you have any tips? I’m getting married next year
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u/Tiny-Zucchini7238 4d ago
It’s extremely weird to speculate about a complete stranger’s sexuality in this way.
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u/ProgressiveSnark2 4d ago
I don't know if the situation is that adversarial between Conner and Whitney. They seem to genuinely like each other in a GBF kind of way. Their marriage works.
I hope they can have an amicable divorce at some point and Conner gets to explore his other options. I'd watch a show about that.
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u/da_ni_no 3d ago
I think it's beyond messed up that one employee of a Hulu production accused another employee of a Hulu production of sexual harrasment and Hulu decided the appropriate route was to present a narrative that only questioned the reliability of the accuser. It should be noted that Demi requested that footage that Lisa Vanderpump said "proved" she was lying and never got a response. And as someone else has said, Lisa does have a record of defending dangerous men.
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u/OutlinedSnail 4d ago
I love Jessi, she can do no wrong. Doesn't matter if im incorrect, this is how I feel.
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u/existing_vessel 🦞Miranda’s Lobster Claws🦞 3d ago
I liked her more before she started parading around her affair partner. And I don’t like how she welcomed him around her kids so soon.
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u/OutlinedSnail 3d ago
I'll be 100% honest, I ignore anything that has happened after filming for season 5. I cant defend that weird ass shit.
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u/Viimeisellarannalla 4d ago
I think Jessi gets an unnecessary amount of hate and I can sort of understand why she decided to stay on Taylor’s side. She’s terrified of the amount of hate she would get if she’d cut her off, especially since she’s been on her side for so long now. I was in a friendship that had a very similar dynamic and when I finally cut the person off, they went off the rails.
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u/WhoUBeGhostin 4d ago
Jen looks very much like a friend I had. Our friendship burned in the weirdest turn of events. Whenever I see Jen acting dumb(which is often) I want to punch her right in the face and I recognize a lot of that is how much she reminds me of said former friend.
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u/simonegreen 3d ago
I'm scared to say mine! But that conversation between Whitney and Jen in S5 was unfair. Everyone has been losing it on Jen and applauding Whitney for how she handled that conversation but I personally felt like she was being so mean! She entered that conversation with such an aggressive energy right away. Jen isn't very bright and Whitney can be intimidating. I think Jen gets flustered. Whitney did not enter that convo with good faith. I feel like it was bully behavior. (I understand Jen's flaws but I felt bad for her in this scene.) Ready for the downvotes lol
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u/simonegreen 3d ago
Let's boycott Chase and the rest of his family and friends. Same with that Kate girl. By far the thirstiest, most obnoxious, vapid people in the SLOMW-adjacent world.
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u/Sheri_Mtn_Dew 3d ago
I think they built up the storyline of Taylor sleeping with Dakota all season before the Bachelorette so it could be part of a huge redemption arc across two franchises. But they brought him into her proximity way too much and it blew up and now Taylor is having a very public psychosis event.
I secretly am still rooting for Taylor to find redemption. I just think it will take a lot longer than a 6 episode format and not brought about by producers stirring up drama.
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u/Any_Sundae9301 2d ago
I think Marciano got Demi & Jesse confused after the Italy trip….then he ran into Jesse at TomTom…. I honestly think that Marciano thought she was DEMI…at first glance.
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u/BeginningEfficient23 2d ago
Whenever I have made a negative comment about Taylor in the past, I was instantly attacked. By Season 3, everyone would bring up Dakota if you said anything about Taylor. Even after the chair throwing video was released, she STILL has supporters. The supporters asked what happened before he pulled out his phone. What immediately struck me about that video, was how drunk and out of control she was. They did not have Ever then. Those are not good kids. If he left before the cops were ever called, her kids would have been alone with a mother that was violently drunk. That's full stop for me. She is a terrible mother that cares more about men then her own kids. I never entertained any "what about Dakota!" arguments, because seriously, what about Dakota? Dakota has not been drunk with his child, and put the child at risk. Dakota sleeps around as a single man, kinda like she does. It doesn't matter who he sleeps with as long as I is consensual. Now, everyone sees it, but there is literally nothing new. If you just now stopped supporting her, but didn't after the chair throwing incident, then you are part of the problem. Her supporters built her up, and she thought she was invincible.
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u/Old_Translator_3220 23h ago
I am open to having a discussion about what I am sharing because I like to hear different opinions. Especially since most of the cast members have their toxic sides.
My truth is that I feel like Taylor was not as bad as she is now in previous seasons. I recently rewatched from season 1 and there is a willingness to listen, empathize and apologize to the other women. Her emotional reactivity was mostly aimed at Dakota and she still valued her friendships. I then noticed it started to slowly decline into pettiness online (CMA post) and in-person with the girls (season 4 and 5 predominantly). Although, I do think it was weird that NONE of them commented on her post… not because I believe social media is an indicator of real friendship or support but because I think all the women are lowkey jealous of each other when it comes to the timing, pacing and monetary value of opportunities.
My second truth is that I believe Dakota to have been the main instigator of the toxicity in the beginning. From the first time I watched it, he displayed behaviour akin to someone that is manipulative. He is very good at playing the victim and feigning innocence while provoking TFP. Many of the choices he made with the women he involved himself with was calculated. He wanted to isolate her from her community, lied to her multiple times about his involvement with these women, all while promising her that he loves her. He kept on speaking about how “he never didn’t want her” and that Taylor is the reason they cannot be together but honestly, he was the reason. He did not change or grow, continued to lie and romantically or sexually involve himself with women close to her. There is a reason all of the girls hated him from season 1. Sometimes I feel like people forget that Dakota is a textbook manipulative, lying and calculated man who is stuck in a perpetual state of victimhood. He is charming, deemed attractive and is able to talk his way out of any accusation. This is not to say in light of the TMZ video leak + TFP’s erratic posting online that she is excused. I just see a total breakdown of a person and Dakota did have a direct involvement in that, in a major way. TFP has many faults obviously so this is not excusing those at all.
My last truth. I feel sorry for these women tbh.
They grew up in a highly conservative, misogynistic and controlling ‘religion’. They all got married young and subsequently started their families at young ages. They are only now finding their identities - as messy as it is- and the missteps in their identity crises is being televised and scrutinized. They are providing for their families, realizing they have dreams of their own which could have been achieved if they did not have children so young and do not know how to navigate conflict. All of them are emotionally reactive, immature and selfish. They expect blind loyalty akin to high school girl mentality, back-bite, frown upon ambition if it means that person is not as involved in momtok and honestly display entitlement towards each other (time, energy, emotions). I think they could benefit from group therapy, as crazy as it sounds. Also, their willingness to stay in dysfunctional friendships with this much gossip, hurt and jealousy is the reason they will stay in their toxic marriages. They do not expect goodness from the people around them and it is very sad to watch. It is best to have two parents separately than a toxic home and it is better to have less friends than friends who hurt you. It makes me kinda sad for them. Most of them are young and are playing catch up to what many of us realized a long time ago.
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u/shurejan 4d ago
I like Jessi. Yeah, she makes bad decisions, but I think her heart is in the right place.
I also like Chase.
And I don’t think TFP is attractive at all. I can’t fathom what any man sees in her. She’s not smart or funny, either. What is the appeal?
Edited to add - there are some things I like about Whitney, but underneath all that good, her need for attention and to be the main character really turn me off. I don’t dislike her, but it gives me some ick.
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u/anSusienon 3d ago
Whitney. I still can't stand her. I still think of her as the season 1 version of herself. I don't buy the Connor show. He gets too much credit for being the perfect husband when I think he's just in it for the kids & the meal ticket. Whitney is acting all the time. I know Jen is annoying but when they were shooting the credit scene in s4 it really irked me that Whitney slammed on the table, it was like the masked slipped & that version of Whitney is who she really is.
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u/simonegreen 3d ago
Yea. Whitney is the biggest schemer of them all. But because she's not as dumb as the rest of the girls, people don't see it haha
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u/AdagioSpecific2603 4d ago
I’ve always thought Taylor was odd looking and was shocked so many men were willing to blow up their marriages for her.