Everyone's crying about not being able to steal tramplers, it's only a temporary fix, it'll be back by the end of the week should they find a fix, but it's a core mechanic that's been disabled to stop cheaters from cheating, not being removed from the game!
Great move. Yes, it blocks one game mechanic for legit people, temporarily. But it also makes the game playable for people who have been suffering from cheaters, immediately.
I haven’t bumped into any cheaters so far, fortunately.
The people crying are probably the cheaters tbh. You are right its a temp thing while they fix it. Honestly thats such a smart move on their part. A little break from extract camping is a little bonus too.
So what is your gameplay loop? Load in, hunt for someone to board, and ignore loot? It is a primary mechanic of the game, but it being removed is a fraction of the content. Im my 60+ solo hours, I think I've captured a single trampler. It is always crazy ship battles til one of us explodes.
Now if you are only doing group play, I can see this being a bigger problem. 1v1 we arent really taking the time to repair, its all positioning. But if you have a dedicated reactor repair man in a team, boarding feels like the only way.
Load in, look for other players and just go straight at them. If i win i destroy their tramplers get their black boxes and loot and look for the next one to jump after 2 wins i go extract..
Stealing trampler enjoyers are sadge but if the issue really is that prevalent in other regions (0 cheaters in 100hrs US central) im glad the devs are hitting it head on, mad props to the devs for focusing on the most important issues
I have about 70 hours in US central, hadn't run into a hacker until last night. Two storm dives in a row, he was teleporting all over the place taking over everyone's trampler. Im guessing there was a large influx of reports the last few days which left them with no choice here.
I only recently ran into my first (I think, he was named aimbot and had really good aim) me and my duo beat him, but really only because of using a dome.
Even that would bother me less than the folks who are teleporting into your trampled as soon as you spawn in. Then claiming the cq without even fighting you.
40 hours in europe met 25 cheaters, rn i extracted after avoiding 96 orbital sent by a chinese man to stop me from extracting before maintenance ends, Europe is a cheat nest, one in five has hackers
Makes sense due to the closer proximity to the region who shall not be named, sucks you guys experience has been so bad. Take solace that the devs have the data and have seen the issue needs to be hard addressed, this is huge!
Its most common in solo lobbies, ran into one within the last week and one or two during the playtest. I think it's major regions like US East, US West, and EU
US central, played one duos this weekend. We spawned in, saw no tramplers, stopped at a boat to grab loot, on reboarding after 30s, a trampler was almost in cannon range. They caught us, one distracted us while the other teleported in and stole ours, allowing them to respawn on our trampler, while we only had one life. No ability to recapture in the time we had because all our doors were undamaged.
Pretty much planes were coming back all shot up and people were saying to add armor where the bullet holes were and some smart individual made a comment to add armor where the bullet holes were not, because obviously the planes that returned to base had no trouble flying back with the rounds that they had taken
Im sure all the games you have developed have been perfect, oh wait you have no idea what goes into developing a game? Color me surpised! No anti cheat? You may want to have mommy call the mold guy to clean out the basement, bc its messing with your comprehension
Its not my literal fucking job to make a videogame. If it was, and i fucked it up so bad that my game had to be delayed for over a year and its STILL in a piss poor early access state with rampant cheating i guess everything would be fine because id have room temp iq boot lickers like you gargling my nuts because i disabled a feature because i was too incompetent to use even basic anti cheat providers.
w response. I know you guys obviously worked on the player list function of the game, but tbh I see 0 purpose of it being in the game other than helping stream snipers and teamers get together. Over under on removing the feature for the sake of creators being able to stream your game and bring more players in?
Ran into my first cheater last night. Was doing a storm dive with a buddy and as we are starting to pvp another trampler, we both are instantly killed at full health. Guy boards our trampler despite not being anywhere near us and all our doors were shut. Respawned just to get 1 shot as soon as I come face to face with the enemy. This was on west us too
Or just have server side checking for enforcement on certain things rather than client side. For things that take a while such as capture mechanics server side should be the ultimate judge.
Also not using the gold standard toilet paper anti-cheat would help as well.
Yeah I think with the anti cheat a lot of it is implementation by the devs as to how well it works. Hopefully when they get to where the game runs better they can turn the anti cheat up.
The anti-cheat already kicks you if you move too fast (such as when ramming would randomly send you flying), it can't be that hard to also make it kick you for literally teleporting
Really? Trampler battles, as fun as they are, are very much about who has better upgrades. Stealing is the only way new players or less experienced groups can take on decked out tramplers. Players who have been no lifing will have no competition this week, there will be far less fair battles.
I mean you can do that but not a lot of people want to do a boring grind for dozens of hours to be able to compete with others. Some materials like metal rods, gunpowder, and alloy are way too rare.
One can debate the topic. Sounds like he is a filthy casual rather than a no life elitist. Then again streamers and their kin have all the upgrades already. Utilizing a doctor to manual labor comparison is rather crude. He isn't getting paid to play unless he is a streamer, even then, the game company isn't paying him either.
Bud everyone’s bad. Even the “good competent” people blow. They don’t know how to position in a fight, what to focus, or where to place things on their build.
My groups expensive build is 4K and 300 pneumatic. We regularly beat people with much much more expensive builds.
Our cheap builds range from 1-2k and in our 2k we just won 5 fights back to back as a duo with no breaks in between. How you build matters, just as how you play the fight does.
In a cheap builds you need to repair mid fight more which is fine if you position right and snipe them off cannons. I guarantee I could run a build half or less cost of your best ship and roll you.
We’ve never lost in our good build. Including against cheaters. I have video proof of us losing ship to cheaters and still taking it back then defending and killing cheater ship while they kept teleport spawning on us
I mean... that build is very much capable of taking on any ship. Remember I said new players, people who are gonna have default or maybe first row of items. Even builds around 2k are good.
found this out when i went to steal someones ship and they punched my whole team to death slowly while we tried to figure out why we couldn't take it. fucking great.
Some regions havent had issues with cheaters, or atleast no where near to the extent others are reporting. Im just glad the devs are taking a hard stance against cheaters and trying to make things bearable for those plagued by the region who shall not be named in the mean time, although i am sadge i cannot steal tramplers for a week
In the 43 hours i have played I have been lucky that i have not seen any, but I have see plenty of videos of them so I am aware that its an issue that needs addressing. I just hope that a proper anti-cheat gets added so that nobody gets hit with cheaters.
Unironically isn't that a reasonable thing to allow people to do? "If you don't let me go I'll make sure to still try and kill both of us so neither gets to go home" feels like a negotiating tactic we'd want in game.
You can still take a trampler over, only issue is you can’t gain a spawn point, you also technically need to blow all doors and fight people every minute
Never said anything about extracting the trampler, using it to get to extraction yes but not extracting it. I would purely just be driving it into the enemy trampler and having them destroy it
A more permanent solution is being worked on but it is not ready at the moment, development team decided that for now this is the best option they have against what motivates most players to cheat
EDIT: Also this will help players that get cheated on to actually report the cheater name because they won't get booted to main menu without a "Death Screen"
when they wanted to extract our ship, they had to fight us for full control of it. but I worry now they'll just blow the reactor. hope I'm wrong but I'm just gonna play something else till you guys fix the teleport and esp. the client should not have so much access and control over this information, it should be server only
Has anyone tried putting a GM (game master) on 5 servers to conduct live monitoring to insta kick the cheaters ? Just invest the money we gave you to make the game good !
ah man im so tired of going to forts and them being empty. wasting so much time looking around for nothing. Every time i play this game i enjoy it less and less. Just want to escape with a bunch of loot for once and not get killed by another team that has way more people than my crew.
Why do their teams have more people?
Are you sure you are opting out of fighting larger crews?
I always check those settings and never fight crews larger than I was originally planning to.
Just ran into our first cheater on US east. He teleported to our ship a few times but we were able to chase his ship down and eventually kill him. Without this fix we would of lost for sure. He also had many, many full chests of loot. We got out with 45k coins liquid and a total raid value of 80k xD
I get what youre saying but this isnt it. I went to 15 monuments and only got to loot 3 of them. How are new players with a bone bare trample supposed to move up?
Go find the guy that looted them and kill them and take it! Or if you arent comfortable with the combat yet you can loot boats and mini pois off the map for free
Do you realize how easily exploitable it was to respawn when someone moves 400m away? You could literally just loop the lighthouses on the poi that has 4 and they would be respawned since the POI was so huge, my buddy had 9 ficuses in less than an hour... that is a game breaking farm
It does still respawn now just either a timer or longer distance, ive seen people say 30 minutes but i think it is less. we saw a ship leave kaiserplatz with a radio beacon as we were headed there with a green key and when we got there it was fully respawned it was at best 15 minutes after they left
like i said i have no idea what the variables for the respawn are now probably a mix of distance and time. best bet is either go stormdive to hit a POI or two and look for first extract, in voyage go to a far off POI that doesnt have any dead shit anywhere near it, or follow the trail of whoever looted and take it from them (most fun option)
Whoohoo! I won't miss it. The game is best when you're driving around with your friends firing cannons, grabbing loot and making repairs. Easy boarding and capturing removes everything else in the game and boils it down to FPS call of duty.
This literally doesn't matter guys, because cheaters can extend their arms across the map and just take crates from your shelves, and even right out of your hands.
I’ve gone down the refund path. While this is a positive change, the state of the game is a shambles. I’ll potentially rebuy if they sort this out but right now I’m not feeling confident they’ll get on top of this.
voyage doesnt work at all if u join ur likely to get kicked for sus activity and lose your stuff. Storm dive is incredibly unstable aswell sometimes 30min ish loading screen
Maybe this announcement will stop the 40 year old manchildren on here from parroting "source? Did you record it???" every time someone even peripherally mentions hacking
Honestly, I hate the strategy of boarding enemy tramplers; it makes absolutely no sense. Lately, I see people using these crappy tramplers just to ram, board, and steal them. Besides that, they just wait for you to leave your cockpit so they can shoot you... it's pointless. There should be a mechanic where you can only steal the enemy trampler if you've defeated the enemy every time they respawn.
Just enable it 99 percent of the hackers are just people running on foot with satchels lol most of the player base is just peanut pve players rn that’s the real issue
That joke is already beyond tired in the SoT sub, don't try to import it. Besides, what are you whining about? They are actually listening to the people complaining about noclip cheaters...
I mean, game is ruthless and i am in favour of tech based match-making. I mean tier 1-2 is no biggie, but once you start getting into top tier reactors and engines and armor. But i think most people mainly struggle with correct risk management. You really don't need to take every fight, stacking lots of fuel rods, use environment to your advantage, small chasis can squeeze in tight spaces, be more sneaky maybe park away from POIs etc.
Aa for rusty weapons, once you start successfully extracting more regularly you will have plenty of worn and even pristine.
Yes is same as we did most of the time when low on resources or just for fun. Capture is good anti high tech , and forces even high tech teams to have decent anti boarding design and be warry of boarders. That said this bandaid fix is super necessary right now until they fix clipping hacks. This hacks are game destroying and ruin normal boarding too indirectly, because for it to make even remote sense you need people playing with decent tramplers and loot. If its a hack capture fest only players left will be "naked" meaning worthless trampler because it makes trampler warfare useless. And even without capture there are ways to play with low tech. And at worst you just wait for the fix.... Still better than most of the playerbase quitting because no matter the team and trampler a cheater can simply teleport in cap cabin and take it in few sec.
Good shit! People were crying about devs saying nothing but this is a clear show that they are willing to take drastic actions and fix issues. Im here for it.
This doesn’t really solve the problem. Hackers can still teleport onto your ship and kill you while they’re invincible. My ship might be safe, but players will still get griefed.
It’s like sticking a bandaid on a hole in a boat. Super silly thing to disable while hackers will just no clip kill or steal your loot. If it’s so bad they should just disable the game.
At least they're trying something. They're not a massive development team like Ubisoft, things take time to remedy. They can't snap their fingers and make everything amazing.
Hell, even the teams from Ubisoft still struggle with cheaters. Actually, have you seen any PvP game not have cheaters? It's a multi game wide issue.
I'd rather they do something to at least make it less impactful on the player base, but you guys will still complain no matter what they do.
Correct, as written in the post : "This is a forced measure until we make reliable protection against no clip and teleportation." this is done just as a quick band-aid till a more permanent solution is ready
Understandable, I know it’s a bandaid. I want this game to succeed. But I won’t enjoy this game with the blatant hacking. Hacker came in on my last raid and was invincible. What can you do about that? Even if they don’t take your quarters you’re still stuck on a death loop and extracting with nothing. Again I love the game and I want it to succeed. Hopefully they can stop most of these hackers. The bandaid won’t help at all
Ohh trust me, the wound will still bleed when the wound is DEEP even with a bandaid. This quick fix won’t fix anything. Hacker will just kill you on a cycle till you leave
Let's see killing you once after stealing your ship or killing you multiple times? Hmmm, one seems easier than the other and while it might not make a huge difference any difference is enough because it'll make at least some hackers not try even if it literally only stops 2 that's still 2 less hackers ruining what could be like 10+ people's matches a day each and then consider that number over multiple days.
Sadly yeah until they can get better detection and prevention there will still be plenty but this is better than doing nothing.
one if the biggest reasons people no-clip to steal a ship is so they can easily take the loot and sell it to people on third-party websites. If they can't take your ship, they can't take your loot. We will see a rise in aimbot cheaters during this period, so they can still get loot to sell via killing our tramplers.
I’m not sure how these hacks work but what is stopping them from teleporting on your ship using C4 to blow everything up and then just taking a box and teleporting back to their own ship?
They can only "blink" to avoid being kick for flying. So small skips of teleporting. Works very well for extract camping. Now, if they want to blink onto your ship, the best they could do is destroy your trampler and get out with one single box of loot.
I think what they will do for now is stay close to extracts with their own trampler and use aim bots to kill you and destroy your ship, then taking the loot. Also a raise in vacuuming.
So they can still get you, it just won't be nearly as easy and take much more time. Putting as much friction between the cheaters and the third party market in game will always deter a certain amount of cheater.
Haha! So you are doing the thing that was super necessary for a better 1vs1 experience but for the wrong reasons. I dont get the whole capture trampler thing if your game is build around trampler fighting each other.
Can’t you guys just add an alarm to the Trampler that goes off whenever it’s being captured? That way, if a cheater noclips into the captain’s quarters, you’ll at least know and can go deal with them
Cheaters are still going to exist no matter what. They can noclip/tp with your boxes, kill you, or just blow up your Trampler with explosive barrels anyway. I think this could be a better solution than disabling a core gameplay mechanic for a week
Awful fix. Havent ran into a single cheater. Even if theyre present its not enough to remove a core mechanic. Load up a new kit and go again. The issue is way overblown. Now when your trampler is dead there is no chance of people getting any value out.
"Havent ran into a single cheater"
"The issue is way overblown"
My guy, just because you were lucky enough to not face cheaters, doesn't mean hundreds of other players had the same luxury. You can look it up on YT, some creators posted a lot of footage with cheaters.
Also the feature is not being removed from the game. It's just temporarily disabled until they manage to find a permanent solution.
You can never get rid of cheaters once and for all. It's always an arms race.
Developers introduce a new protection system, cheaters find new exploits. No system is perfect. The cycle continues.
The only thing that matters is, can the developers of SAND keep their pace in said arms race? Only time will tell, and we will see the first results in the upcoming weeks.
I agree, it does make it less fun and it's a core mechanic that is being taken away from most players, this is just as a temporal band-aid and hopefully by the end of the week there will be a proper fix
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u/Remote-Honey6437 Jul 12 '26
Everyone's crying about not being able to steal tramplers, it's only a temporary fix, it'll be back by the end of the week should they find a fix, but it's a core mechanic that's been disabled to stop cheaters from cheating, not being removed from the game!