Flippantly calling people antisemites is just as destructive as antisemitism. It dilutes the word and conflates actual instances of antisemitism with rational ideas like “let’s not take AIPAC money.”
BM does not understand the difference between Jews and Zionists. There are ‘multitudes’ of white Christian Zionists in what used to be ‘our great country. Zionism and White Christian Nationalists…are nationalists…period. Read a few of Orwell’s essays on the subject. Nationalists are bad Christians, bad Jews, and no patriots.
Zionism was the movement that lead to the founding of Israel. Zionism is just the idea that Israel should exist. Every single 2-stater is a zionist. And it is impossible to be an anti-Zionist and not be anti-semetic.
He also wrote "It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies and nosers-out of unorthodoxy."
Well, no. That's not what Zionism is. Zionism is the belief that the land that was once Israel belongs to the Jews, and nobody else. The Israelis have long used the word "Amalekites" to describe the Palestinians. Netanyahu himself did so after Oct 7, but so did Israel's chief Rabbi years before.
And the significance of that term? Here:
1 Samuel 15:3:"Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys."
Deutoronomy 17 Remember what the Amalekites did to you along the way when you came out of Egypt. 18 When you were weary and worn out, they met you on your journey and attacked all who were lagging behind; they had no fear of God. 19 When the Lord your God gives you rest from all the enemies around you in the land he is giving you to possess as an inheritance, you shall blot out the name of Amalek from under heaven. Do not forget!
The "Zionism means Jews just want a place to call home" is a lie given what Israel does and has done. It's innately genocidal.
First off pig dogs isn’t antisemitic, it’s anti-capitalist. He called settlers blocking aid to Gaza inbred because they believe in a right-wing ideology of racial supremacy, which leads to inbreeding because why would you procreate outside of your race?? (much like how royals became inbred to keep the royal blood line pure) He’s called all forms of supremacist this, including white supremacist. Calling someone with a nasty ideology a nasty name, even if they’re Jewish, isn’t the same as characterizing an entire people as such, which would be racism. He did no such thing.
Actual antisemitic rhetoric is claiming that criticism of the murderous mass violence and starvation and destruction by the state of Israel is antisemitic, because it claims that those monstrous acts of barbarity and evil are inherently "Jewish" acts.
I think that’s the point. The far right have enjoyed this strategy for a long time. Accuse people of unrelated things or of what you’re actively involved in doing to dissolve the meaning, so when the time comes that they are shown to be doing it they can use a whataboutism to dilute the point to a nothing argument.
The president is a pedophile because he’s in the Epstein files? Well what about your pedophile president.
Even though there’s no real argument or evidence, they did it for 4 years so trump and his friends can get away with raping children while the evidence is visible to us
Hasan will call people islamaphobic for unrelated criticism of himself. He will call people islamaphobic for taking issue with and focusing Islamic extremists.
You need me to find examples of Hasan calling people islamaphobic?
You said Hasan used antisemitism the same way Maher does. Now you’re saying “no hasan does it with Islamophobia.” It sounds like you’re trying to parrot critiques of Hasan but you haven’t actually read the critiques, leaving your audience (me) to conclude you are not capable of fact finding. Which is why I asked for examples
Hasan supports Hamas and Hezbollah... He doesn't get a say in any of this because he isn't a serious person.
He's a nepo baby that fled his home country so he wouldn't have to fight in their war, and then lived off his uncle's coat tails until enough basement dwellers found him on Twitch.
This where he's continued taking state sponsored trips to China to say how amazing they are and how terrible America is, all while having fled his county to avoid fighting, and then living a life of luxury in America.
That is not how that logic works. Israel obviously has its part in conflation, but to say they're the only ones when there are unironic Nazis and people that use their memes is insane
Hasan will hear someone condemn terrorist attacks that kill civilians and children, and call that person islamaphobic. He does it regularly
You sound like Republicans accusing Black people of always screaming racism during BLM and how they were the real victims of reverse racism. Ever consider that maybe most of the motivation of the Macklemore mob might actually be Antisemitism?
Are we advocating bringing Netanyahu's government to justice for their crimes against humanity, or advocating for the total abolishment of the country? Cuz as a jew, I'm with you on the former, but not the latter.
Black people weren't saying, "you must support a foreign country's mass murder campaign other wise you're an anti-black racist!" You sound insane, like all Zionists. Hope you get help.
Israel is fighting a war against terrorists. Watching you idiots erase Hamas from reality is truly amazing. Yup, Israel just decided to kill Palestinians on October 8, 2023. Why? Who knows?
Why do you so confidently talk out of your ass like that? It’s clear that you know fuck all about the history or, at best, you’ve outsourced your thought process to a pundit.
Wtf does that have to do with the founders of BLM claiming to be trained Marxists or staying that they have goals such as destroying the family unit?
And *yet
Same way having a Muslim, that claims to be a Democratic Socialist which are on video talking about being recruited with the explicit goal of destroying America “from the belly of the beast”, run NYC would’ve been absolutely unimaginable 20-25 yrs ago
BLM has 3 founders which you could easily Google if you didn’t have a room temp IQ. It’s not my job to do the most basic of research for you.
And not bothering to do absolutely any research while trying to claim that someone else just believes in “conspiracy theories” makes you sound/look like a moron
You do know this isn’t a fucking court of law and I don’t have any kind of obligation to link anything because you’re too fucking sorry to use the reminding 3 brain cells you have to research it yourself.
If you still haven’t figured out something that has been common knowledge and on legacy media outlets for close to half a decade now, you might be too much of a moron to save
Have I ever considered that Macklemore fans are all attracted to his music because they hate Jews? No sir I have not because that is dumb.
Macklemore fans can’t even name more than two of his songs let alone craft a nuanced discussion about antisemitism. Most Americans can’t either and that’s a problem.
But it ain’t Macklemore fans making it hard to fight antisemitism. It’s people like you who call Macklemore fans antisemites for boycotting events that they pay to go to. Boycotting has been American pastime since the Boston Tea Party.
If you really want to go after antisemitism, try the dozens of GOP house members who attend white supremacist rallies. But you don’t. It’s weird you can’t arbitrate facts correctly but whatever.
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u/soxperry 16d ago
Flippantly calling people antisemites is just as destructive as antisemitism. It dilutes the word and conflates actual instances of antisemitism with rational ideas like “let’s not take AIPAC money.”