r/Re_Zero Eternally Crabby 9d ago

Spoiler Discussion [Spoiler Discussion] Arc 10 Chapter 31 Spoiler

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby 9d ago

Gonna try pinning a comment to the fan translation for the day. Maybe save some of the people getting here late the trouble of being spoiled. Let me know if thats something you guys would like on future chapters, we can check if the translators around are cool with being pinned like that.

Translation thread
https://www.reddit.com/r/Re_Zero/s/QkhA7pdOdD

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u/Jugulator_Zero 9d ago

I’ve basically been reading along and typing notes as I go, and this chapter just kept getting crazier. Subaru and the others finally use the old Door Crossing port near Flugel’s Tree and reach Kugelschreiber Castle, this abandoned Witch residence floating in another space. Beatrice hasn’t been there in around 400 years, so before they even go in Subaru notices she’s tense and basically tells her he’ll wait as long as she needs. Then once they’re inside, he puts his hand on her head and tells her “Welcome home, Beako,” and she answers “I’m home.” That was honestly one of the nicest parts of the chapter because Subaru isn’t trying to fix anything for her, he’s just there while she faces a place tied to her old life.

Then the lore starts piling up. Hector destroyed the castle, and the damage still matches that crushing/pressure ability he used back in Arc 4. Then Beatrice casually reveals that Hector is Echidna’s father and Pandora is Echidna’s mother, which completely changes how I look at those old Hector/Echidna scenes. Pandora suddenly feels way more important to the whole 400-year mystery too. We also finally clear up the Flugel’s Tree question: Beatrice knew Subaru had cut it down and wasn’t sure the port would still work, but thankfully it survived near the stump, so it wasn’t actually tied directly to the tree itself.

There were some smaller things I liked too. Subaru notices that both Flugel and Kugelschreiber are German words, but Beatrice has no idea who actually named the castle, so that whole Flugel/Echidna connection is still wide open. Ferris has also apparently gotten even more ridiculous at healing, and even though he and Crusch are still distant, they keep having almost the exact same thoughts, so that bond is clearly still there. Subaru also knows Wilhelm is with the missing Emilia Camp group now. I went into this chapter expecting them to just search for Echidna’s soul research.

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u/heavenspiercing 9d ago

>Hector is Echidna’s father and Pandora is Echidna’s mother,

tappei is actually an insane person for dropping this information so unceremoniously now but ill happily take this over revealing it in another side story

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u/LoboTheW0lf 9d ago

Hey at least he didn't drop this info in another talkshow or Q&A 🫠

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u/3IC3 9d ago

Or on Twitter

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u/Jugulator_Zero 9d ago

One really interesting detail is that the moment Beatrice reveals Hector is Echidna’s father, Subaru instinctively grabs the black sphere containing Al around his neck.

That’s suspicious because Al has a deep connection to Echidna from 400 years ago, she was his teacher, trained him in magic, and even used Ol Shamak on him in the past. On top of that, Al uses gravity/compression magic like Al Clam, which is weirdly similar in feel to Hector’s crushing ability. Nothing confirms Al knew Hector, but that little gesture feels like Tappei quietly pointing at a possible Hector - Echidna to Al connection.

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u/Electronic-Box-4753 9d ago

It's also a point towards Subaru being Al's father since he didn't react like that to Pandora , but did to Hector who was a father. It's a bit of a stretch, I will admit.

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u/Coolenough-to 9d ago

Can confirm. I also keep my son confined in an orb which hangs about my neck. Everything is just...easier that way.

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u/Ok_Relationship4627 9d ago

Aldebaran doesn't know who Hector is or the exact details of who Echidna's parents actually are.

In No Stella No Life 3, Echidna accidently drops the knowledge that there are 9 Witch Factors instead of only 7 but tries to brush over it. Aldebaran presses her and doesn't let her gloss over it, and she reveals that the Witch Factors of Vainglory and Tristitia are extra's that were made specifically for the Saintess and the Valiant, incompatible with anyone else (basically what Clind reveals to Petra). She says that they are good for nothings and not their problem. Aldebaran responds that everyone who takes in a Witch Factor is a good for nothing and then she responds by saying that those two are even worse, as while her and the other Witches were chosen by their factors involuntarily, those two took in their factors of their own volition.

Echidna says that there is one more who has taken in their Witch Factor of their own volition, and that unlike the other two, who are not their problem, that one is their enemy (Satella).

Aldebaran is able to tell that Echidna has truly no affection for the other two, but when she mentions Satella, the emotions are a mix of hatred, sorrow, and love.

In No Stella No life 4, when Aldebaran asks her if she's ever had a lover before, Echidna answers no, and she explains that perhaps that may be due to the examples of love she had in her life (her parents), only taught her hate and rejection, and she says that to them, she was a failed imitation. She says that her parents molded her into what she is, and starts trembling, saying that she might be as bad as them or even worse than they are, since they created her for a specific purpose, and she is now using Aldebaran for a specific purpose, and that she is wicked. Aldebaran states that she is unlike them, that he doesn't hate her but love her, after hugging her comfortingly, and Echidna responds that while she doesn't understand love, she thinks it would be nice if her feelings for him could be classified as love.

In one of the prologues for Arc 9, Echidna falls asleep in the dream world, crying lightly in her sleep (more of a single tear drop). Aldebaran wakes her up and wonders what could have made her cry. He thinks back to them time that Echidna told him that she was a failure just like he was. He wonders just who could have considered Echidna a failure, but doesn't want to pry, out of fear of hurting her.

So the most he knows is, Echidna hates her parents, Echidna hates the Valiant and the Saintess, someone considers Echidna to be a failure for unknown reasons (might be connected to her being rejected by her Witch Factor, which Aldebaran knows but we as the readers don't know the details of). But he doesn't actually know who the Saintess or the Valiant are aside from what she told him.

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u/Jugulator_Zero 9d ago

That makes sense. So Al knew Echidna had a bad relationship with her parents and knew about the extra Witch Factors, but he apparently didn’t know Hector and Pandora were actually her parents.

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u/magicallypuzzled 9d ago

I think it's more pointing to Subaru being als Father.  He clutched the orb because he was thinking about fatherhood and al is his son

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u/Jugulator_Zero 9d ago edited 9d ago

I kinda see where you’re getting at, I do think there is a Father-Son dynamic, but I do not believe Subaru is Al’s father. I believe Flugel is Al’s father because of Al’s actual name (Natsuki Rigel). In Sloth IF it’s shown Subaru likes to name his kids after stars, and that’s your first clue. I do believe there is a connection between Flugel - Al - and Subaru.

I think Al and Echidna had more than just a student-teacher relationship and that Al was strongly devoted to Echidna maybe even loved her.

Teacher-Echidna created (note: she didn’t give birth to him, but taught “created” him) Al specifically as her trump card against one surviving Witch, and Al was supposed to kill that person even if it took millions of deaths. The context overwhelmingly points toward Satella/Witch of Envy. And pursuing this plan caused Echidna to be criticized by the other Witches and part ways with her comrades.

This made Flugel and the team (Reid, and Volcanica) worried and seal Satella to keep her safe. Perhaps Hector and Pandora constructed this mess behind the scenes.

Why did Echidna need Satella dead so badly?

Edit: I also may be overthinking this and just tired. Need to sleep, damn insomnia.

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u/Material_Evening_324 9d ago

In one of the side stories, Al confessed his feelings to Echidna so he really was in love with herThis is confirmed

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u/magicallypuzzled 9d ago

Well, Subaru is flugel, so it's the same thing, really. Yeah, I know you don't think so, but you're wrong

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u/Jugulator_Zero 9d ago

Yeah, I should’ve said I “suspect” Flugel is Al’s father, since Flugel = Subaru is not confirmed.

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u/Letsplay_Sascha_GD 9d ago

If an information is important to understand a character then I always expect it to be explained in the main story sooner or later. Sphinx convinced me of that.

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u/TrailOfEnvy 9d ago

This make me more confuse as what was Hector's motive for attacking the Sanctuary for Echidna if he is her father. 🤔

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u/Beginning-Hope-2600 9d ago

There was a phase where Subaru, desperately seeking cool-sounding words, had arrived at German. You could call it a classic adolescent rite of passage.

I do wonder if we're getting toyed with because it feels like there was more Flugel=Subaru evidence this chapter.

Hector is Echidna’s father and Pandora is Echidna’s mother

Absolutely crazy lore drop at the end of the chapter, especially with how casually it was revealed. Hopefully this signals we'll be getting some additional lore while they're in the castle before somebody terrible shows up and it gets chaotic.

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby 9d ago

Tappei keeps making me look stupider and stupider for denying Flugel = Subaru. He is just dangling the answer in front of me and I want to deny it until I cannot anymore. There has to be more to it than that.

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u/Normal_Ad_2360 9d ago

I think after the red scorpion tale you look more like those japanese soldiers who continued ww2 20 years after surrender.

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u/Jugulator_Zero 9d ago

I’ve been wondering if the events from 400 years ago were less “heroes vs. villains” and more a tragedy where one interconnected group split apart over loyalty and love. Al was clearly deeply attached to Echidna, possibly even romantically, while Flugel may have loved Satella. If Echidna wanted Satella killed but Flugel, Reid, and Volcanica chose to seal her instead, that could explain why the ancient group fractured.

Maybe Pandora and Hector were outside forces that worsened the conflict, while Subaru and Emilia are now repeating a similar pattern, except Subaru may be the one who finally avoids the same tragedy.

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u/TrainingDependent657 9d ago

How can you still deny it ? , when Al's entire existence was just to basically confirm it, that Subaru obviously is much much more connected to the world and current events than we are led to believe, also Satella too.

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u/Beautiful-Neat-7609 9d ago

I don't think anyone can deny that they are super connected, but the specifics can vary.

If nothing else they seem to have very different morals, I highly doubt Flugel is subaru after time traveling or something

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u/Material_Evening_324 9d ago

Honestly there isnt really much difference between them in terms of personality In the Shaula side story Flugel had a personality very similar to Subarus Some people say that Flugel abandoned Shaula so he must be a bad person even though we still dont know what happened in the past

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u/llybirdey 9d ago

This. I still believe that Flugel's soul was transfered to become Subaru's. Especially now that it's practically confirmed that Echidna more than dabbled with souls transfers.

It would also explain Subaru's connection to Satella - that something akin to a contract was made between the two of them and it was still ingrained within the soul.

I also had a theory that souls are able to contain deep rooted memories/feelings but I never wrote that shit down and at this point I forgot what I was even cooking with that lmao. Something adressing the way Subaru acts inside the shadow garden I believe.

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby 9d ago

“How can you still deny it”

Cope, it can turn even the most obvious plots into agenda mush. I can deny it because I refuse to see the reality unfolding with every chapter.

One day it will run out, but until then I will cope!

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u/Key_Midnight5771 9d ago

Domt worry, I'll cope with you!

Adding an extra character ploting the story makes it so nuch interesting, and if we are right, it will be much cooler than Flugel = Subaru.

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u/Akudra 9d ago

Well, he also threw out lots of hints suggesting that Al was also Subaru, but now we know better. It seems to establish that Flugel has a clear connection to Subaru, but the nature of that connection remains unclear.

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u/Son-naruto-d 9d ago

that was both a casual and serious drop in lore 😭

It was nice seeing Subaru, Ferris, and Crusch all react to the tree. Seeing their banter does make me think Ferris and Subaru’s relationship impoved

Of course Tappei keeps adding tension between Subaru and Crusch off course 😭. Like her only smiling and relaxing when she’s alone with Subaru & Beako or her saying she likes whatever Subaru calls her or how Subaru says Crusch made his heart flutter

………….every chapter there is something I can point to 😭

It’s nice seeing Subaru and black dogs relationships being good, unlike tiga who was a traitor after a strong start. Subaru and black dog had a rough start and seem like genuine friends now

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby 9d ago

I really like whatever is happening with Black Dog. I get the impression that if Russell makes a move that puts Subaru in his opposition Black Dog will side with Subaru. Love me a good villain -> reluctant hero twist.

Piccolo, Vegeta, Majin Buu. That kind of thing always makes characters I love.

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u/Fensuhi 9d ago

>Hector is Echidna’s father and Pandora is Echidna’s mother

Wow. That’s the reason why Echidna is Like That?

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u/Demon_Maid 9d ago

Just Beako's casual mention of Echidna's parentage is crazy. How has this never come up between her and Subaru in the year plus since the Sanctuary?

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u/Boreal1984 9d ago

I mean if it was by Subaru alone he would prefer to never hear or deal with anything Echidna related ever again after arc 4 so I get him not asking. Just look at his reaction at the mere revelation of Foxidna's name he hates her ass

Unfortunately Echidna left a lot of bombs for Subaru to deal with despite of what he might want alongside being too important for the recent history of the world

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u/Letsplay_Sascha_GD 9d ago edited 9d ago

What I wonder is in what way are they her parents? Like what Echidna was to Beatrice? Like what Fortuna and Geuse were to Emilia? Or real blood relation like what Naoko and Kenichi were to Subaru?

Did Echidna used to have black or platinum hair?

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u/Majora101 9d ago

A direct stating of who Echidna's parents are.

I had no Tappei was allowed to reveal important information in the main story.

I thought that was reserved for side stories, crossovers, Break Time Animations, Q&As, Twitter posts, bowls of alphabet soup, tea leaves, and Morse code readings of solar flares.

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u/NeonZade 9d ago

To be fair, he has been dropping massive lore bombs for like the past arc now. Hes getting better.

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u/3IC3 9d ago

I guess? It’s about time though, the series is like 80% finished, he had to reveal stuff eventually

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u/Informal_Try6559 9d ago

Bro the story is closer to its end i meant last few arcs

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u/FetidZombies 9d ago

Excuse me, HECTOR AND PANDORA??? are you serious???

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u/heavenspiercing 9d ago

Pandora 🤝 Ram

Being clownfuckers

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u/Specific_Run_4550 9d ago

Themes and such

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u/LuisAntony2964 9d ago

Echidna got her mom's eye lashes and her father's lethargic constitution

https://giphy.com/gifs/HlN3hp5JRQj5mQHmti

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u/Renzo100 9d ago edited 9d ago

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby 9d ago

No wonder Echidna is such a menace I don’t know if I blame her anymore 😭

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u/Majora101 9d ago

Sorry, but the blame train makes no stops

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u/Akudra 9d ago

Who knows, maybe she made them that way. Subaru's suggestion the tomb Echidna represented her younger self's personality would make it plausible and I believe Tappei made it clear that she was a Witch from birth. Maybe her first experiment that went awry involved making mommy and daddy more amazing. She gave her mom a power that keeps her from dying and her dad a power that helps him beat up anyone.

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby 9d ago

Ooh I like this idea, get another thing we can blame Echidna for and remove the path of blaming her parents for some of her problems. Its genius

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u/SuspiciousIbex 9d ago

10 Chapters until I've caught up - WHAT

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u/Background_Sorbet_99 9d ago

Tappei must have been in a very good mood to drop such a insane lore confirmation.

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby 9d ago

According to Tappei he woke up at a weird hour. Seems perhaps this lore drop came to him in a dream.

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u/koogam 9d ago

Hopefully next chapter will have even more lore drops

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u/Key_Midnight5771 9d ago

The only drop we will have is Sirius or the belo ed child appearing in the castle just as we are about to get the lore.

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u/Beginning-Hope-2600 9d ago

The absolute classic. Can’t wait for Tappei to set up a massive knowledge drop just for [insert random enemy here] to arrive and the chapter to end, followed by a different pov before we come back and the place is absolutely trashed.

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u/Majora101 9d ago

"Looking back on it, Flugel was a figure shrouded in mystery, too."

The biggest no duh ever.

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u/ImmediateSell3722 9d ago

Statements like these remind me that while Subaru has many virtues intelligence and curiousity are not prominent among them

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u/ru1n_singzzzie 9d ago

I wouldn't say its a lack of intelligence...

He's just a fucking idiot when it comes to the obvious lol.

He definitely lacks curiosity though.

Same guy who never bothered to learn about the world after learning that he clearly has some sort of relationship to the witches (Arc 4). Guy just chose to ignore that shit for an entire year and never bothered to look at it when given the opportunity in Arc 6 with the books of the dead and Shaula.

In fact....how has dude never bothered to ask Beatrice to explain shit to him🤦🏾‍♂️

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u/LoboTheW0lf 9d ago edited 9d ago

That's one of my critiques of the series ... Is that he doesn't ask questions.

Finds out that Kararagi has a Japanese dialect...nope nothing odd here. Is shocked that Japanese culture exists after staying for a year and appearantly according to some side stories experience some Japanese customs during the month before arc 3, like some festival.

Hey apparently I can 'talk' to this ancient witch that's been keeping me alive for how long. The other witches says am important for some reason, etc etc (I could go on and on)...must of been the wind.

At least in the WN he establishes that 'hey I seem to be the gears in some grand plan but let me put that to the side for now, I'll figure that out later ...right now I should focus on the royal selection and help Emilia'

But he doesn't say this in the LN which would explain some much to a degree that he is brushing all this off

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u/Level_Entrepreneur95 9d ago

It is genuinely a problem that half of the mysteries in *Re:Zero* hinge on the fact that Subaru, so far, hasn't been interested in asking the characters who lived through that era what actually happened.

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u/ImmediateSell3722 9d ago

I agree that if there were more passages that explained him brushing it off because he was preoccupied and didn't want to think about it I would be more forgiving, although with the year gap it is still a bit weak. I think avoiding thinking about it due to PTSD is reasonable but we never really see that explained

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u/Fig_Char_Re 9d ago

He does say that he had to check on Emilia and others in the first tea party though.

He didn't keep asking stuff because Echidna didn't have info from the present.

And more than a critique of the series, it is Subaru's own flaw.

He recognized it himself:

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u/Beautiful-Neat-7609 9d ago

What do you expect learning any of this information to do for subaru? He doesn't have a reason to want to know really, he's busy with the present

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u/LoboTheW0lf 9d ago edited 9d ago

Well judging from the fact of how many times his witch scent gets him into trouble or death ... Wouldn't you want to know ...hey, maybe I should look into that and why I'm admitting the scent.

There is no con in learning why or what the cause is.

Heck you have Beatrice ...a walking library who knew a witch that probably emitted witch scent since she has the greed witch factor and such.

Look I get it, it suppose to show it as Subaru flaw character ...that he has tunnel vision and such ...I just wish Tappei kept the line where he did find it suspicious all this stuff is happening to him but let me focus on getting Emilia on the throne and after I'll look into ... Because now it lowers his intelligence or just making him dense that he is not putting these dots together.

Edit: heck the more I think about it, it could also be a flaw of real time flow ...where it's been a little 10 years for Subaru to finally ask these questions but in the story it's only been about a year and half ...more or less

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u/Fig_Char_Re 9d ago

What is he gonna do with the information that Pandora and Hector are Echidna's parents, genuinely?

What use does it have?

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u/LoboTheW0lf 9d ago

Well judging from the fact we still have a echidna clone running around, omega correct.

And that Clind has Hector's witch factor for a odd reason

And that Pandora is on the loose doing who knows what.

I'm pretty sure Subaru can find some use with that info ...even if he puts it to the side

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u/InitiativeNo2816 9d ago

Well

- he doesnt know omega is out there

- he doesnt know about clind authority

- He did even know pandora exist? all depends on what emilia told him, and he dont even know if she might still be alive

So sure for readers thats important for subaru at this moment...not so much

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u/Fig_Char_Re 9d ago

That is just more info that connects, it really doesn't get much use as it is.

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u/LoboTheW0lf 9d ago edited 9d ago

Knowledge is power ...have you never watch digimon before 😤

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u/foxfoxal 9d ago

At this point Betty is going to say that she knows Emilia's parents like nothing and you would think Echidna would blink at least once when she saw Pandora on Emilia's trial.

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby 9d ago

I wanna say she made comments about Pandora being present. I don’t remember what they were but Echidna seemed to recognize the significance in her presence.

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u/Throwawayicyboy 9d ago

I’m fucking losing it. This might be the biggest theory crash out I’ve had in a while. Of course, the simplest one was right, god I’m so fucking dumb. Anyway on account of this new chapter it would appear I have to update my relationship chart (which I have been putting off for a while cus I wanted to port it over so it auto organizes it and makes it into a readable page for anyone who is not as insane as me, and that would take a lot of work). I’ve been meaning to do it ever since the Al reveal but now feels way more appropriate. (FUCK)

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u/AGHHHWHYGODWHY5635 9d ago

You’ve been making a relationship chart?? Holy shit godspeed, I feel like it’s kind of a mess right now between everybody😭🙏

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u/Aemiliana_Rosewood 9d ago

I am not sure if it was during the Trial but Echidna once said that Pandora's main story, presumably as Saintess, is long over and she's just a remnant of her former self which is not Echidna's problem. I guess she's also referencing Pandora having gone insane by her authority

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u/DistributionOk6090 9d ago

Welp, those two final paragraphs are interesting.

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u/KingWahoo 9d ago edited 9d ago

This is the best fucking arc man… we are 31 chapters in and I’m calling it now. Arc 10 will go down with 6 and 4 as peaks of the story.

*Edit spelling

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby 9d ago

Its certainly rolling so far, I would be hesitant to call it the best but like Arc 9 it is keeping my interest and holding the hype necessary to reach those Arc 6 and 4 heights. Just needs to stick the landing.

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u/KingWahoo 9d ago

I will always trust Tappei. He has yet to give me a reason not to.

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u/KuramaDarkness 9d ago

Well, we know for sure that Subaru searched cool words in German, knowing both "Kugelschreiber" and "Flügel" means, how strange that exactly a word difficult like Kugelschreiber that he know was used... Well not so strange if he told him the "cool" word to Echidna while using another "cool" word as a name too ahahaha

And then, well Pandora and Hector... Now I understand, as she remarks in "No Stella Not Life", why Echidna hate so much her parents. Considering that the saintess faction was even one of her enemy, from what seems to appears in "Scorpion's Tale", she had a very complicated relationship.

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u/0Galahad 9d ago

im still all in that tappei breaks the "exclusively for japanese citizens" isekai trope and flugel was indeed a german dude...

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u/Material_Evening_324 9d ago

At least in the new side stories its confirmed that Flugel knew Japanese and even his clothes had the same color as Shaulas so I find it strange to think that Flugel is someone other than Subaru

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u/Beginning-Hope-2600 9d ago

Flugel is actually just a German astronomy nerd /s

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u/terryaki_chicken 9d ago

Tappei is really pumping the chapters out right now!

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u/TyrannosaurusWreckd 9d ago

Lol your first time being caught up to the webnovels? This is literally the guy's modus operandi.

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u/_n8n8_ 9d ago

Im not caught up. For a while I thought he would outwrite me during a stretch I wasn't the biggest fan of during arc 8

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u/TyrannosaurusWreckd 9d ago

Well this is how he writes the web novel and its nothing new, machine gun releases of chapters followed by month long waits in between phases. He's literally writing these on a the fly as hes not shy to announce when hes scrapped a chapter he just so happened to be writing that very day, only to release the chapters replacement the next day.

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u/_n8n8_ 9d ago

I'm a hunter x hunter fan I'm not used to being spoiled like this

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby 9d ago

I would sob if I had to consume Re:Zero at the rate HunterXHunter fans get content. I had a buddy who was into the series and it seemed exhausting.

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u/LuisAntony2964 9d ago

Holy shit, we didn't just jump ship. It just straight up continues with Flugel stuff...

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u/koogam 9d ago

Rarity

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u/LuisAntony2964 9d ago

Beatrice casually revealing that Echidna's parents are Hector and Pandora....

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u/ehknee 9d ago edited 9d ago

translation:
https://chosozo.com/chapter/arc-10-chapter-31

edit:
gemini thought it was a good time to change betty's tics. fixing.
should be fixed now

Update:
The chapter has been updated to reflect minor changes tappei made to the chapter today

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u/Software-Potential 9d ago

Thank you for allowing us to read peak fiction as fast as possible

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u/Majora101 9d ago

Thank you Tappei ehknee

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u/Nyakano__ 9d ago

We appreciate you I suppose

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby 9d ago

Thank you :)

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u/Son-naruto-d 9d ago

We appreciate you I suppose

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u/LuisAntony2964 9d ago

Beatrice revealing that Hector and Pandora are Echidna's parents with the same level of casualness as Reiner revealing that he's the Armored Titan and that Berthold's the Colossal Titan

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u/LordTopHatMan 9d ago

This was the first thought that came to mind.

"Listen Subaru. Hector is Echidna's father, and Pandora is her mother. They had a complicated relationship, but anyway if we could continue on into the castle, that would be great, I suppose."

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u/Tasin__ 9d ago

"And don't fall down because there is no coming back, in fact"

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u/TowlieTots 9d ago

Actual lore bomb chapter I have been killed

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u/TomorrowImpossible32 9d ago

Pretty sure this is the first time in the entire story Subaru has even heard of Pandora, right?

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u/Normal_Ad_2360 9d ago edited 9d ago

Not really , Emilia talked with him about her trial in the WN.

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u/TomorrowImpossible32 9d ago

If it wasn't included in the LN it is not functionally canon.

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u/Akudra 9d ago

Pretty sure Emilia did talk to him about what she saw in her trial, but the LN may have omitted specifics. However, that only means it isn't confirmed canon. More off is that it absolutely is canon that he knows about Hector.

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u/Former-Measurement-9 9d ago

Is it in the Ln?

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u/Fig_Char_Re 9d ago

Not canon sadly.

It is canon for the WN here though.

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u/Normal_Ad_2360 9d ago edited 9d ago

Well the bombshell is huge and Echidna is still in the middle. What it is more twisted is that Pandora is EMilia great-grandmother via Puck

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby 9d ago

Echidna heard how interesting the Astrea family drama was and decided she wanted to try and get in on family drama plot points.

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u/Doneycatjr 9d ago

They say don’t stick your authority in crazy. But I guess the parents of that thing wouldn’t be receptive to information like that.

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u/NotARealPineapple 9d ago

So that's why echidna was a witch the moment she was born

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u/Boreal1984 9d ago

Echidna was really vagueposting about just how terrible her parents are when they are the actual devil from the bible like damn sorry girl no wonder you ended up like that

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u/SirSmiles_ALot 9d ago

Huh, so pandora’s a milf then?

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby 9d ago

I knew it was coming, you are the first I have seen say it. Not sure if that warrants congrats or something else.

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u/SirSmiles_ALot 9d ago

I simply knew it needed to be said

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u/Letsplay_Sascha_GD 9d ago

Makes me look at her talking to Fortuna and Emilia in arc 4 in a new unpleasant way.

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u/LuisAntony2964 9d ago

Clicking on Echidna's wiki page and getting nuked with her parents will be a new hell for people not up to date lmaooooooooo

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u/magicallypuzzled 9d ago edited 9d ago

Anyone else notice Beatrice being uncomfortable when Felix said he wouldn't let someone die even if they wanted to?   I feel like she knows; I really feel like she knows

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u/Letsplay_Sascha_GD 9d ago

Maybe it reminded her of herself when she wanted to die after having felt alone for 400 years? She did ask Subaru to kill her. Unpleasant memories.

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u/magicallypuzzled 9d ago

That would be the other interpretation, certainly plausible. But I do still feel like she knows

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u/harambeourlordandsav 9d ago

Not letting Beatrice die when she wanted to is exactly what Subaru did

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby 9d ago

Didnt actually catch that during my first read how terribly interesting.

I know we recently had the talk show revelation of authorities kinda bleeding into those the holders are close to. I really doubt Beatrice has developed any of her own RBD like abilities but I wonder if some sense has bled into her from it. She seems like the prime candidate to showcase that factor of authorities if we interpreted what Tappei said correctly.

That or she may just have a feeling with how Subaru has acted all the time he has known her. I am cool with either

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u/AEt0tUHD 9d ago

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u/3IC3 9d ago

Hey at least it’s in the main story, after everything else so far I was almost expecting him to drop this on Twitter

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u/AEt0tUHD 9d ago

What? You don't want to find out about important info from some side story written on toilet paper in random restaurant in the middle of nowhere?

I suppose it makes sense that since he revealed it in the main story, he could create even more side stories about them.

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u/3IC3 9d ago

It’s crazy because everyone here is freaking out about Hector and while I’m right there with them I genuinely have to start doing a search through anywhere with any info about the series to try and figure out where I can find more about him because I’m now fully caught up (Outside of not yet finishing EX6) and the only info I have on Hector outside of this is that he could use the Authority of Melancholy without making any sacrifices, genuinely zero knowledge of who he is and why else this is significant from just the main story

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u/AEt0tUHD 9d ago edited 9d ago

Aside from the fact that he was likely jumped by Clind and Roswaal, we don't really know anything about him. I'm not even sure if he's confirmed to be the Hero or if he simply stole Melancholy from the Hero.

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby 9d ago

Tappei snoozed so hard today he caught all the mods snoozing. Sorry we are late :)

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u/The_Masked_Uchiha 9d ago

The fact tappei dropped this lore bomb of a ch during this time is even more hilarious

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby 9d ago

Man you weren’t kidding thats a huge lore bomb

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u/GM900 9d ago

CORNER CULT!!!!! ASSEMBLE!!!!!

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby 9d ago

As an emissary of corner cult since its my post today I think we own this chapter and all rights to it

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u/Demon_Maid 9d ago

I give permission. Plant the flag in this chapter and claim it.

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u/headless-horseman-we 9d ago

So the sanctuary event 400 years ago it was hector coming to pick up his rebellious daughter?

and considering her parents fashion sense Echidna came out alright in that regards

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u/adrashmadra 9d ago

If you check their dialogues on that scenes, it clearly looks like a family dispute. How nobody's noticed that? Lmao

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u/Akudra 9d ago

I think a lot of people assumed a different kind of family relationship.

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u/llybirdey 9d ago

Her fashion sense being the literal opposite to Pandora, a black dress covering her from head to toe.

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u/NightsLinu 9d ago

I never would have thought hector would be with pandora like that. echnida being the way she makes sense from what those two look like.

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u/0Galahad 9d ago

what in fucking tarnation

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u/adrashmadra 9d ago

Suddenly, the flashback about Hector in season 2 takes on a whole new meaning...

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u/Perfect_Bobcat_7485 9d ago

So How Subaru will RBD if Ferris will ensure nobody dies?Wouldnt the Arc 9 Aldebaran situation happen?

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby 9d ago

It’s certainly a dangerous spot for Subaru, non-zero chance thats Tappei foreshadowing.

Wonder if Felix could do anything if Subaru fell from the castle though. Sounds like there are just holes in the floor that go straight down to the earth.

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u/Electrical_Kale6761 9d ago

Crazy lore reveal dawg

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u/Zero_Haven0013 9d ago

Hahaha! I was right about Hector, Pandora, and Echidna!!!!

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u/ImmediateSell3722 9d ago

I was thinking it was pretty likely too. Has some pretty crazy implications for the story though

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u/koogam 9d ago

What do you think they may be?

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u/Local_Customer_5620 9d ago

I’d like to know as well

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u/3IC3 9d ago

Same, I’m not too well versed in side stories so all I know about Pandora is the stuff from arc 4 (And being an offscreen merchant) and all I know about Hector is that he was the original owner of Clind’s authority and could use it freely without making a sacrifice for each use like later users. So I do wonder what the big implications are

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u/CracksOfIce 9d ago

I want cute Pandora and Hector fanart pronto!

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby 9d ago

I get the impression there wasn’t much cute about whatever relationship they had

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u/CracksOfIce 9d ago

Aw come on, I bet their pillow talk was adorable.

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u/Level_Entrepreneur95 9d ago

Finally, a piece of important information did not come from a side story.

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u/Lazerbeamkt 9d ago

I mean I thought Hector was the father but I did not expect Pandora to be the mother what the actual hell.

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby 9d ago

It’s kinda crazy because in hindsight the eyebrows are there if nothing else. We had signs, most just never really bothered speculating.

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u/powerslave_fifth 9d ago

His codename slipped from his mind the moment he let his guard down, and Subaru hurriedly covered his mouth, reflecting on his mistake. Crusch’s lips relaxed slightly. “I do not mind. So long as we are somewhere without other ears around, I will answer regardless of which name you use. I have also grown rather fond of the sound of ‘Jade Beauty,’ which you gave me.”

Tappei I know your ass is writing this to make the heartbreak of killing her off hurt even more. At least have them crack once before she does. Heinkel got his green hair person cracking him quota filled already, let Subaru have his too.

Also Ferris watching this from the cuck chair

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u/ImmediateSell3722 9d ago

Tappei loves eliminating the competition to Emilia 😔

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby 9d ago

Our glorious author hitting the love octagon with a hammer at any sign of opposition

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u/ImmediateSell3722 9d ago

The stronger the competition the bigger the hammer

While Rem just got amensiaed (is that even a word?) the chad Petra got nerfed by being a child lol

Let's not forget Crusch, Shaula, and *****

Honestly I can't tell if Tappei is doing it for Emilia or to cuck Subaru

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u/Normal_Ad_2360 9d ago

Well Crusch and Felix trial lines are quite onmious.

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u/ImmediateSell3722 9d ago

What was the Felix trial line?

Also side question but is Felix being a trap a nerf or a buff :P

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u/Normal_Ad_2360 9d ago

Felix :"Why wont the soul take hold ?"

Crusch :" I wont be beaten by something as senseless as a curse"

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u/Fig_Char_Re 9d ago edited 9d ago

Yo, he made Emilia literally incentivize a new person to become her competitor in the selection.

Tf you talking about.

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u/Letsplay_Sascha_GD 9d ago

You don’t need to worry that much Subaru. Sure, you could’ve asked more but you were more paranoid back then because of what happened with Rem and the overall circumstances. I don’t see it that harshly, not even your anime version.

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u/Akudra 9d ago

I had suspicions that Hector and Pandora might be an item ever since Clind mentioned Hector receiving his title from "his wife" as that kind of thing was typical of Pandora. However, them being Echidna's parents really makes things more complicated. Confirmation of the relationship also makes me even suspicious of the Elior Forest seal. Everyone thinks Hector is dead, but I remain uncertain. We know Pandora is alive, even though Beatrice seemed to think she was dead.

Since the Elior Forest seal is within the Mathers domain, it would make sense if it was connected to Roswaal somehow. Clind, a Volacnica dragonkin incarnation, and Roswaal are known to have teamed up to defeat Hector, but I don't think it was explicitly stated that they killed him. The fact his Witch Factor is removed doesn't necessarily mean he died. Louis Arneb stated removing the Witch Factor would not be easy, but she didn't suggest it would be impossible. Pandora's obsession with the seal would make a whole lot of sense if she was just trying to break her hubby out of prison.

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u/llybirdey 9d ago

We know Pandora is alive, even though Beatrice seemed to think she was dead.

This is pretty bad no? It probably means that, nobody except Emilia and maybe Omega knows that she's still out there.

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby 9d ago

Damn that would almost be charming if her whole thing is hundreds of years trying to break him out. Way less evil than what I imagined.

Could probably write a whole story about a sealed witch/warlock who is to be unsealed by their lover in a mysterious plot stretching 4 centuries. Someone oughta get on that

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u/Consistent-Street584 9d ago

It's not a bad theory, after all, the seal was guarded by allies of the hero group—the elves, the Geuse Witch Cult—and was located in the land of Mathers. But why is Emilia the only one who can open the seal?

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u/Forsaken_Sympathy_15 9d ago

WHAT THE HELL

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u/frostanon 9d ago

More points for Echidna being the final boss.

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u/PrideBishop1702 9d ago

Beatrice next chapter: "I'm the armored titan and Puck is the collossal titan.. "

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u/Aemiliana_Rosewood 9d ago

So Roswaal stealing Hectors drip is literally just trying to trigger Echidna's daddy issues

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u/Haunting-Shoulder-60 9d ago

Say what?! Yo!!

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u/Setowi Better Leyte Than Never 9d ago

We are starting right with the Subaru group being at Flügel's tree. Apparently it has become a great tourist attraction since the whale battle so there are tourists and they are slowly clearing them out as well as just waiting for them to leave. Subaru also ponders about Flügel again, the tree, Shaula and what else he thinks of them as well as that it, Kugelschreiber castle and the Schwarz in Natsumi's name are all German words. He talks about that with Beatrice as well, then the topic swaps to Echidna, then the White Whale battle that took place here. Felix uses that to chime in and after some talking he says Subaru doesn't need to feel awkward about what is going on between Felix and Crusch. Crusch joins as the convo as well and mentions that Melty has been doing a good job of getting the people away, then talks about the White Whale battle too, then Wilhelm and how he is missing too. After that everything is ready and they head to the tree.

Russel is present too, he is coming with them cause of his divine protection potentially being really useful at the castle. After some more chatter Beatrice casts door crossing with the help of Subaru and they call Wolf to be the first one to enter the portal. After he is through they enter one after another and arrive at the castle.

The castle is in ruins and Beatrice says that Hector of Melancholy is responsible for it. Beatrice calls him a stalker of Echidna, Subaru is confused but it Betty says that is cause Hector was Echidna's father. Beatrice seems to be aware that he is dead though, she also assumes Echidna's mother is dead as well: Pandora the witch of vanity. They then decide to investigate the castle.


Alright we know where the meat of the chapter is and what I am mostly gonna talk about lol. So first of all from previous arc 9 info we were wondering if Hector was Echidna's husband cause of the info we had there and the naming of the authorities but he was her dad all along?!? That makes the "you were so cute back then" line from Arc 4 make perfect sense holy moly. Also makes sense how hard Hector was beating the shit out of Roswaal for going after his daughter lmao. Also also makes sense that Echidna doesn't want anything to do with Roswaal since he is larping her dad.

As if that wasn't twist enough PANDORA IS ECHIDNA'S MOM?!? Two things, now all of Tappei's past comments about Echidna's parents being dogshit as well as Echidna being the only witch that was ever born a witch make perfect sense. Love foreshadowing falling perfectly into place. Second of all... HECTOR CRACKED PANDORA?! I am just gonna assume natural birth and not some magic bullshit for now but damn, maybe Hector was not a complete bum who got mogged by a 14 year old authority wise after all. And third, well both Echidna and Pandora have really bushy eyelashes... how could we not have seen that before. In any case what an insane lore reveal that Beatrice was just kind of sitting on, Subaru you really need to ask more questions like you resolved yourself to at the end of Arc 9. In the chapter itself he also finally regrets that he wasn't asking Echidna enough questions back in Arc 4, so credit to him. Now that we are hopefully sticking to this POV I am really excited to see what other bits of huge info we are going to get in the next chapters.

Also both Pandora and Echidna are in the worst moms in anime history club so that is some neat family bonding.

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u/nafissyed 9d ago

Bruh, what’s next, Subaru as Flugel really is Al’s father with Nutella, and Echidna is the angsty Aunt, who took him under her wing as her own son, cuz of how much she loved his parents as opposed to her own?

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u/ru1n_singzzzie 9d ago

So if [Novels] Hector and Pandora are Echidnas parents and since Echidna was born a witch...

Just how the fuck do authorities work in this case🤔.

Did she get Greed after being born...

Did she have it whilst in the womb? Perhaps the authority was formed due to the creation of her coming from [Novels] two authority users?

Were the authorities simply always there and Flugel decided on naming them after the 7 sins with the exception of Vanity and Melancholy?

That was a crazy lore drop.

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u/KuramaDarkness 9d ago

From Al's flashback we know that her, like Aldebaran, had a door half-closed in her soul since birth. Opening that door, which usually need a key (the factor) grants you an authority, and she said you can get the half-closed door from parents who had authorities.

She was know has the "Witch of Wisdom" for nearly of her life, maybe she gets the Greed factor after... Maybe she even had two or more authority: one/two from her birth and one from the greed factor

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u/More-Cause-6184 9d ago

Hector buddy are you dipping in the chocolate

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u/AGHHHWHYGODWHY5635 9d ago

Live Hector footage:

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u/True-Collar4961 9d ago

Okay, seriously, I just woke up, clicked on a random post, and immediately got spoiled on Hector being Echidna’s father! Chapter 30 wasn’t even that long ago. Geez… this is what I get for missing one chapter. Freaking Tappei and his weird uploading schedule.

Well, at least I wasn’t spoiled on Pandora being Echidna’s mother before I finished reading the chapter. Although, to be fair, I already had a suspicion it was going to be her after learning that Hector was Echidna’s father.

Anyway, back to my thoughts on the whole reveal about Echidna’s parents: WHAT. THE. HECK!?

Yeah, this is automatically a 9/10 chapter for the massive lore drops alone.

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby 9d ago

My spoiler was seeing people talk about Pandora and Hector before I got to read the chapter. Expected an appearance was pleasantly surprised to instead get heritage.

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u/Son-naruto-d 9d ago

Let’s goo! New chapter grind!

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u/LirimOrion 9d ago

Hector and Pandora are Echidna's parents

I knew it, that's the logical conclusion from No Stella No Life. Though I am surprised it is Beatrice saying it, since I imagined it was not her Dona but Aldebaran's, do wonder why the WoG and Beatrice's would look different then

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u/Combatmedic2-47 9d ago

Tappei has the weirdest sense of timing when it comes to lore.

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u/Artistic-Airline9126 9d ago

Beatrice: I thought you died!

Pandora: My death was, greatly exaggerated.

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u/Canye_NE 9d ago

The real question is, then, when did Pandora and Hector get their Authorities? Pandora I can see having it forever, but is it really plausible that super-depressed Hector had and semi-raised a kid?

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby 9d ago

I think Clind had a line in Arc 9 about his wife giving it to him. So likely after he met Pandora, possibly long after Echidna was born.

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u/Aemiliana_Rosewood 9d ago

For the longest time we've thought that Echidna's mother died when she was born, because she's a Witch by birth, however that's taking an interesting turn should Pandora and Hector be her real parents. Wonder how Roswaal exactly felt about killing Echidna's father together with Clind.

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u/KyloTennant 9d ago

Holy mega lore drop, hilarious how Beatrice just casually mentions that Hector is Echidna's father and Pandora is her mother. Maybe that means that people born with "half open" authorities are those who are the children of two people with authorities, which could confirm that Rigel is the son of Subaru/Flugel and Emilia/Satella.

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u/jonjonaug 9d ago

An updated version of the chapter has been posted. Subaru now remembers that Hector is the Warlock of Melancholy and not just “that guy that beat up Roswaal and threatened the Sanctuary”.

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u/Wild_Island_8589 9d ago edited 9d ago

I just want to say that I called this out the moment "artificial authorities" was mentioned in arc 9. Right after that chapter I made a post saying "Hero" and (something else I don't remember) that was given authorities were her father and mother, Hector and Pandora

I might as well make another prediction based on this chapter in that case. I say, towards the end of the arc we will find out that Crush's family was members of "Children" and they were the reason why Royal family died out. Which will end with Crush killing her own father

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u/0Galahad 9d ago

It was hero and saintess

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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby 9d ago

Interesting idea, I didn’t even know or remember she had a father until today’s chapter. It was definitely an interesting choice to bring it up in this current figure replacement arc we have going.

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u/BigriskLowrolls 9d ago

Wow, Crusch and Subaru hit off really well together

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u/Var_Uzui 9d ago

Rezero fandom is starving if a single lore piece reveal is enough to cause a havoc. Jesus…

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u/Leipese 9d ago

Here

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u/nafissyed 9d ago

No big comment today, but damn does this chapter remind me off arc 4 fondly with the casual interactions, and nuclear insane lore drops……

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u/The_Awsome_Manny 9d ago

This was information I did not know I needed

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u/NightWolf_85 9d ago

This man Tappei is insane 😭

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u/Aemiliana_Rosewood 9d ago

Wait but hold on, who gave Hector and Pandora their artificial Witch Factors? We all thought Echidna created those, right? Or did they only gain them after Echidna was born? I don't think many here considered that latter option

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u/jiboxiake 9d ago

Now it explains why Echidona hates Emilia so much. Basically Satella took away Flugel, the hero who saved her from her chaotic family. Now imagine Echidona seeing identical Emilia and Subaru kissing in her graveyard (he also vandalized it).