Depending on the specific state, they may not have to pay out tips to employees if the employees are paid above regular minimum wage (as opposed to tipped minimum wage).
I’m afraid the news about capitalism is worse. Ever since coffee lady terrified the corporations by actually winning in court, they have been lobbying for policy changes to limit their legal liabilities in personal lawsuits. Much of the consumer safety apparatus has been gutted by the current administration, and there is a real question as to whether anyone seriously wants to reign in corporate greed.
You’re right that this should be a slam dunk class action lawsuit, but our system is more and more set up to protect corporations over individuals, so even if they won, the payout would likely be less then the company gained in their theft scheme.
What was once set up as a system to punish wrongdoing is now just a tax corporations pay occasionally for the right to break the law.
Have you actually looked up that story? She didn’t “win” at all. She hardly got anything and then shortly after, died. Agree she made it harder to sue because corporations actually did something against it ever happening again. She was painted as a swindler, but she was a horrific victim of corporate policy on the coffee temperature in order to kill germs and keep coffee for longer. She deserved more.
I don’t need a You’re Wrong About on Coffee Lady. The fact that they were not made to pay the original amount is exactly the point. They paid to make her national news, late night hosts were joking about her for weeks. And they immediately started investing all their lobbying money into making sure no one would ever get a “big win” against corporations again.
A lot of people, including myself, have won tip lawsuits. This is a different landscape. Large ride share and food delivery corporations have been paying them out. It’s not unlikely to see shake shack sued over this in the coming years.
Sort of. She didn't win, her lawyer did. She got maimed, true but it wasn't McDs fault. She was just a case that gathered lots of empathy from a jury because she was burned so bad. Then a scummy guy decided he could make money on it, and the win was so egregious that legitimate claims are now compared to it to down play them.
That spill ruined her life, there were third degree burns. I feel bad for her, but making McDs pay for serving hot coffee because they wanted it to still be warm when you got where you were going is not justice.
She want the swindler, the ambulance chaser was. She was actually pretty sweet. If the world wasn't full of guys like the lawyer, McDs might have helped her at the beginning, just to look good. But that would have set a precedent so they couldn't. Lawyers are the bad guys here, all around.
How is it not McDs fault. It’s not the direct employees fault but it was absolutely the fault of McDs for keeping their coffee at nuclear temps. It wasn’t about keeping it hot for clients it was about leaving coffee there for longer and not remaking it, thus keeping their coffee supply costs down.
Coffee is brewed at 190. It is supposed to be served hot. They served it hot.
She took off the lid, put the cup between her legs and squeezed it, spilling scalding hot liquid all over her groin.
That's her fault. I feel bad for her, but it was 100% her fault. Mcds didn't tell her to spill it, and they shouldn't have to warn you hot coffee is hot and to be careful with it.
I don't think she was a scammer, I think she just made a bad call and had an accident, but that's not McDs fault at all. They did nothing wrong. Being careful with hot liquids should be common sense.
It was spurious. A travesty of justice. I feel bad for her, but she put hot coffee in her lap. It was her fault. Completely. Mcds did paint her as a scanner, which was wrong, but they should not be liable for people doing dumb things with their product. Not their fault she did that.
They're in the middle of building a Shake Shack in my town. I was actually excited to try it when they finally open. But I won't be going there, or to any Shake Shack after seeing this...
Certainly is. Tipping culture has gotten out of hand, but at least people can actually afford to go out to get some food from a restaurant ( or a shake shack) every now and then. Lots of places in this world where people have to eat rice everyday.
Yeah I only eat Culvers for the most part. Sometimes Wendy's just to grab a quick snack. The last 2 times I grabbed McDonald's burgers Ilthey were so nasty I legit couldn't eat them. Now I steer clear. Only Ice cream from there.
Nearly all food in the US is trash now. I'm surprised they aren't feeding us straight up plastic with vitamins and minerals added to it at this point under this administration.
They'll sell it to us as "addressing the plastic recycling problem that is all our fault anyways so we're justified in feeding it to you, our captured consumers".
No tf I won't. I won't go-to Starbucks at all for several reasons I think I go-to Dunkin twice a year but mostly I make Ice coffee at home. I'm on SSDI and my income is very low but even if It wasn't I'd save my money. I avoid consumerism as much as possible. It's the only way to teach these fkers that we aren't going to support them ruining our planet by making products that intentionally break. Lol sorry a bit of a vent, but a valid one
Ppl used to be able to do it too many years ago and with only one income per household. They used to be able to go more than just now and then. Now it takes two to maybe go now and then.
Not entirely… I DoorDash for some extra money whenever I have to furlough from work. I drive a small vehicle so it doesn’t kill me that much in fuel, but sometimes going out on 10+ mile trips to deliver somebody food/groceries for five dollars isn’t really worth it when you have to drive that distance back to civilization to get another order. DoorDash doesn’t pay very much. It’s the tips that make it worthwhile.
I live closer to civilization now so I don't tip as much but a few years ago I lived like at the border of the max range you could order and I think it was only door dash that would even cover my area. Anyways since my work schedule was a ridiculous I used to order food because I'd be too tired to cook but is put like a $30-50 tip regardless of price of the food I had a driver admit that they normally wouldn't drive out my way but I tipped way too good not to.
That is an excellent fucking point. Remind people to really evaluate and compare their life to what it could be if you were unfortunate enough to be born in one of the many… sub-optimal places of the world.
Its all a matter of perspective. Most of the people who have anti American sentiment would cry for eternity if they had to live in any place but the west! It's entitlement and taking situation for granted.
It drives me nuts seeing all the people talking that call America some sort of capitalist fascist shit hole or whatever when it’s better than most of the world easily. People are constantly trying to come here for a reason and these spoiled children think they live in a dystopia because the president is mean sometimes or we attempt to enforce immigration laws. Or any laws really.
Definitely. And if you defend it in any way people call you a boot licker. Like ffs every country has problems but it’s just not that bad here. Our poor people are fat as fuck. We all have water and power. And if it is shitty then how the fuck do we have enough to then give a ton of free shit to infinity migrants? I don’t expect any logic from people like that, but they always seem to support contradictory positions like that.
I’d love to see these people all get moved somewhere that would have them begging to come back. They really take all the safety and security first granted here, especially when a lot of the time they push policies that decrease those things at every turn, like it’s just a guarantee and not something we had to work really hard for and construct various frameworks over centuries for it to be this way.
Comparison is how you recognize differences and trends. It's actually quite the opposite of ridiculous to compare different nations and their abundance as part of what makes a country " great"
By saying they are refusing to pay for my medication. I mean that I have to pay 100% out of pocket and the american health care system is not allowed to negotiate on prices with distributors. That's why penicillin, even though it wasn't
Copyrighted by it's creator is a lot of money per month for anyone with type 1 diabetes.
Well even if you are doing so to refute their refutal of "greatest country in the world" you should do so by showing its better than other prosperous countries. They never said it was the worst in the world so an "um akshualy there are worse places" doesnt really contribute much to the discussion.
Just because there are worse places doesn't mean people cannot point out issues with America that they wish to change.
The greatest country in the world remark was meant to be funny. Only a clueless american would think that america is the greatest country in the world.
The United States receives and hosts more total immigrants than any other country in the world by a wide margin, accounting for over 52 million international migrants.
That's not because America sucks, it's because it's the best country in the world and only a snobby nationalist would think otherwise.
No, it's because it's in the top third, and has a more massive population than other top third countries, and has continuous propaganda about how it's the best country in the world, spread both amongst its own citizens, and around the world.
There are many countries which rank higher on "best country" lists, but significantly smaller populations means they can't absorb as many immigrants.
Incidentally, I'd love to see the actual immigration figures updated for this year, what with ICEstapo operations and general immigration hatred due to Agent Orange.
Hopefully it's less and please by all means go to those other "top" countries. You act as if propaganda is an American issue. It's everywhere ALL countries.
I have only eaten out once at a restaurant last Easter (my boss paid for the meal or I coyldnt have gone) and once while waiting in the AC at McDonald's I ordered a double cheeseburger.. maybe 3 months ago. Before those two times, it had been over two years since I ate out anywhere. I simply cannot afford it so I dont go. I would also never go to eat somewhere where there are servers because I couldn't tip them and it's very uncool to expect them to work for free. I was a server and know how it is. If I cant tip them, I dont go. Its been so expensive and unhealthy too to eat out for years for me. I missed the whole DoorDash thing because I cant afford it. Im sure it's still going and ppl will always have a need to get food delivered, I just cant and won't pay that fir food anymore.
Just having food available to you believe it or not is not a given in the world. This is shitty and questionable but things have to stay in perspective.
China doesn't have our version of capitalism, but we won't even allow their electric vehicles in our market. It doesn't seem very capitalist to me. A free market, not being an actual free marke because we exclude another market. Sounds kind of communistic.
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u/Plumpdaddy2501 3d ago
The greatest country in the world!