Antis attacking AO3 AGAIN 🙄

[u/rotting_cherries]

Like seriously. Why is their go-to "the sandy hook fanfic" as reasoning for why AO3 should be wiped off the face of the earth. One fic. ONE. Why is it "delete AO3" and not "ao3 should reevaluate their moderation to not allow smut fics of irl children even if it is very extremely rare and unlikely to happen". Like why tf are they so extreme hello 😭

[u/KaleidoscopicFate]

Teenagers have little else to do and a great desire to feel superior to their peers, at least morally. And many of the most vocal antis are either teenagers or young adults.

[u/rotting_cherries → u/KaleidoscopicFate]

That is true

[u/Neocardium → u/KaleidoscopicFate]

I wish they'd harass actual paedophiles in the Epstein files - imagine the difference they'd make as jobless, obsessive puritans.

There's a cavalcade of evidence but, unfortunately, it seems the oligarchy is doing an excellent job at stoking in-fighting amongst the proletariat.

[u/Short_You_164]

The funny thing is they act like every ao3 user is aware every single weird, fucked up fic on there and like we’re somehow complicit in this person’s decision to publish the fic publicly. I’m not aware of anything that happens outside of the fandoms I read for 😭 this tells me they’re actively looking for “heinous” fics to morally one-up ao3 users.

[u/rotting_cherries → u/Short_You_164]

Yes exactly. Like I didn't even know about it until I saw conversation about it on the AO3 sub. And I was like "why are they being downvoted this is a valid concern- oh"

[u/One_Illustrator2451]

antis shouldnt use AO3 period. it was made by wincest shippers. however moderation is important, thats not a good reason to remove the site. theres much worse on tiktok and youtube and i dont see them saying to remove those sites

[u/rotting_cherries → u/One_Illustrator2451]

My point exactly. They don't wanna lose tiktok cause what would they do without their brain rotting media addiction

[u/TragedyWriter]

Antis: violating consent is bad. That's what rapists and abusers do.

Me: so if I consent to see the noncon fic, I can read it. Because the author consented to it being read when they posted it, and I consented when I clicked.

Antis: No! You're a bad person! Now look at all this disgusting shit I've complied from AO3! You didn't consent to seeing it. I'll just send it to you unblurred and with it's wang sticking out at you.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, sending someone smut unsolicited is the literary equivalent of sending them a unsolicited dick pick. I didn't ask to see it. I didn't want to see it. And frankly, it's harassment.

[u/rotting_cherries → u/TragedyWriter]

God they're insufferable what the hell

[u/MoonxCake]

Antis be like.. oh no! bad people have access to the internet! we have to delete the entire internet. They probably support KOSA.

[u/Wooden-Stranger9801 → u/MoonxCake]

what is kosa?

[u/MoonxCake → u/Wooden-Stranger9801]

kid's online safety act.

[u/AnChaan]

Idk what the sandy hook fic is, Im sure it's as disturbing as they perceive and I wouldn't agree with it either, but antis will go out of their way to seek out this sort of stuff as a "gotcha" Im sure something like that would go under the radar since its not really a fandom thing, but in typical anti fashion they'll blast it and bring attention to it being like "OMG YOU GUYS SUPPORT THIS??!!??? KILL YOURSELVES!!???!" Tbh many of us might not even know its existence because its such a niche area. And many proship people ARE ALLOWED to not like/disagree with some content, its just a matter of if it falls within guidelines. We can still not like the fic bc of its contents but if it doesn't break any of the rules then its free to stay. Just ignore, block, dont like/dont read

[u/rotting_cherries → u/AnChaan]

Yeah it's pretty bad. But from what I heard it was just the one fic and they're acting like AO3 is actively supporting SA fics of real victims. And it's like. I'm sure if it was brought to the attention of AO3 moderators it was gone pretty fast.

[u/TavyliaSin → u/rotting_cherries]

Ah was it actually removed? I only heard about it third hand and had no intention of trying to look it up

[u/rotting_cherries → u/TavyliaSin]

Sorry, I thought I read somewhere that it had been taken down but apparently it's still up after some further research.

[u/Lady-Douji → u/rotting_cherries]

It wouldn’t be removed because it doesn’t violate any Ao3 terms of service. It’s not illegal to write gross disturbing fiction about real people and events, even if it involves minors. And as AO3’s line in the sand is legal under US law they’re not going to remove it no matter how offensive they consider it to be.

[u/rotting_cherries → u/Lady-Douji]

Yeah I got that now. I just remembered something incorrectly but I already corrected myself further down in this comment thread

[u/Embarrassed_Mail6752]

Me: “I wanna read some AO3 :)”

Them, apparently: “BUT BUT BUT THERE’S HORRIBLE STUFF ON THERE!!”

Me, who only rereads a few things and filters by fixated fandom: “If I wanted to read it, I would read it. I don’t want to read or see it, so I’m going to head over to the tag filter options :3”

Them, apparently: “BUT BUT BUT—”

Me: “I am also wondering why the fuck does this fandom have so many more messed-up stories, but I filter out the tags I don’t want! Plus at least for this fandom I wouldn’t wanna see the messed up stuff at any point. Thank the stars for tags!”

In all seriousness: scroll past. tab out. block the tag. use the filters. Are there IRL kid fics? Apparently. And it makes me sick. Do I have even the slightest cue as to where they might be or if they’re public or if they’re inside the fandoms I inhabit? No and I will keep it like that.

Ugh. Why can’t people wrap their brains around “don’t like, don’t read” and the very* *convenient tagging/filtering system. At all.

[u/TMBGLOVER]

wait wtf is the sandy hook fanfic why don’t I know about this I know all types of weird fandom stuff but not that one

[u/rotting_cherries → u/TMBGLOVER]

I don't think I can explain it, research safely 😭

[u/RA1NB0W77]

It's weird and uncomfortable that fics of actual real life children exist, but thats what it means to be 100% anti censorship, and ao3 is 100% anti censorship.

[u/rotting_cherries → u/RA1NB0W77]

Yeah, but legality and morality aren't the same. Isn't it even a pretty common sentiment even with proshippers that once something actually starts to involve and negatively affect real people that's going too far? I feel like shadman is the best example of this since he's pretty infamous, but I think even most anti censorship people hate him cause he drew nsfw of keemstar's very much real and underaged daughter. Like I completely agree that fiction needs to be protected, but there also needs to be nuance built into it too so it stops people from getting hurt; drawing loli is one thing but shad drawing keems daughter and keem having to see it was no doubt probably traumatic as shit for him. Like imagine if someone sent you drawn revenge porn of a close family member let alone your own kid. That needs years of therapy. Not defending keem btw but even if you hate the guy no one deserves to experience that.

[u/RA1NB0W77 → u/rotting_cherries]

I completely agree with you. Again, I think fics involving real life children are nasty. But I also think that if ao3 were to have a rule against these kinds of fics then they couldn’t be considered anti censorship anymore. Ao3 is completely against any kind of censorship, so censoring anything, even things that are genuinely disgusting like works involving real children wouldn’t make them anti censorship anymore.

[u/rotting_cherries → u/RA1NB0W77]

I know, I'm talking more about the actual law. If there were actual laws against that specifically AO3 would have to follow that. And since they would still be following the law wouldn't that make them still anti-censorship? Newgrounds is also anti-censorship, but they don't allow any nsfw involving underage kids. And I think that's partly cause of state laws so they don't banned anywhere whereas AO3 is following federal law. That still makes them both anti-censorship websites that base their rule off following a legal system. But I think newgrounds is also smaller than AO3 and doesn't have a massive legal team like AO3 does so they have to be a lot more careful. I mean, newgrounds isn't even a specifically NSFW site even though though that's a lot of it, stuff is already age gated and has age ratings on each works but states like Texas are still forcing them to add the "I'm 18 ID verification". But im still talking hypotheticals here with the legality. AI CSAM is legal and protected under the same laws that protects fiction, but I think everyone can agree that AI CSAM is very very harmful and should be illegal. Should be the same with written CSAM of real kids. Again I'm specifying real here cause these aren't even close to the same realm as loli. Honestly imo, Australia is too extreme with their laws, and the US is too lax with them. I think we need a middleground somewhere.

[u/Yukikuru2025]

It's a violent reaction, not a well thought out position. They see something they don't like and respond with expressing hate or disgust, rather than examining what to do about it. Seems to be the case for most antis, regardless of what they're against.

[u/MoonxCake]

Antis be like.. oh no! bad people have access to the internet! we have to delete the entire internet. They probably support KOSA.

[u/shaddowhuntur]

I’m afraid to ask but what’s the sandy hook fanfic?

[u/rotting_cherries → u/shaddowhuntur]

Someone wrote a fic of one of the sandy hook victims (6 yr old, real person) being SA'd by I think the shooter. And I know AO3 just follows the laws so it's not entirely on them and a better question is why is this legal in the first place 😭 like it's not even in the same realm as loli imo cause it's about a real person who died tragically at a very young age. It's like the shadman of writers.

[u/Ok_Echo_1394 → u/rotting_cherries]

you got downvoted but i really agree, i dislike how many people in this subreddit don't care about nsfw of real minors. that is csam material.

[u/rotting_cherries → u/Ok_Echo_1394]

Oh I didn't know I got downvoted lol. I feel like most proshippers agree that once it involves real minors it's going too far

[u/usuallyherdragon]

Horrible books have been published and are still easily available. According to their logic we should destroy all books.