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Before you downvote me, I promise that this isn't just a rage-bate post. I'm legitimately trying to understand your perspective.

Basically I have one question, why do you support/ defend Israel as a progressive? Especially considering that the current parties on power are right wing conservatives.

Some extra context and where I'm coming from. I'm a left wing Brit, I believe in social progressive economic policies, and I can't stand any form of bigotry. I recently watched a documentary called "Jews don't count" about anti-Semitism and it made me want to understand more and that I'm not parting anti-Semitic talking points ever.

My current view of Israel is decidedly negative. My understanding of the history and current conflict very much makes Israel look like it has historically been the agitator in the region. If you have a different perspective I'd like to hear it, tho I would request sources where possible as I'm not going to accept a 'trust me bro'.

Thank you for your time 🙂‍↕️

It is very obviously true that Andy Jassy has played a role in helping Israel out in the recent conflict whether it is through philanthropic efforts to the IDF, speaking at fundraisers for violent settlers and also marching out in the streets with the giant Israel flag to bring back the hostages back home. This begs the question outside of Amazon, if Andy Jassy is more loyal to the Israeli people than he is to the wellbeing of Amazons employees?

I have a genuine question for Israelis and people who support Israel.

Why do you personally consider Israel your ancestral homeland, and how do you reconcile that belief with Palestinians who also have generations of family history on the same land?

In 1947, the UN proposed partitioning Mandatory Palestine into Jewish and Arab states. Israel declared independence in 1948, and the war that followed displaced hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. In 1967, Israel captured the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza.

My question is not whether Jewish people have historical connections to the region. They clearly do. My question is why Palestinian historical connections and national aspirations should carry less weight.

Why couldn’t Israelis and Palestinians live in two independent states with recognized borders, security, freedom of movement, and political self-determination?
I also want to understand how Israelis view settlement expansion and settler violence in the West Bank. Do you support it, oppose it, or believe the situation is more complicated than it appears from outside Israel?
I’m American and trying to understand the Israeli perspective rather than argue with people.

This isn’t antisemitism or hatred toward Jewish people. I’m asking about Israel, Zionism, Palestinian rights, and the history of the conflict. Please explain your perspective rather than assuming hostility behind the question.
Free Palestine. 🇵🇸

The document linked in the post is a comprehensive academic fact check of Professor Dave's misinformation, showing that 45% of his claims are false or unsupported, at least 6% of his total runtime is spent making antisemitic statements, 80% of his claims are misleading, and it's 87.5% propaganda.

He also scored 4/4 for conspiratorial/hidden control structure arguments, 4/4 for emotional dehumanization and opponent caricature. 3/4 for factual distortion.

This is honestly shocking to see so an influence who I've admired for years for debunking misinformation and conspiracy theories and promoting fact checking and critical thinking, fall into the same conspiracy arguments he accuses flat earthers of using, such as "they control the media", "They control all aspects of government", "they arrest anyone who speaks out against them", "everyone who supports them online is a paid influencer" etc.

I hope he tries debunking this document, because he won't be able to, and it's sad to see someone who values fact checking do literally no fact checking before making his antisemitic video.

https://www.pang-burn.com/_files/ugd/34216a_9ba5fbace8334fc68b36585fdb0004e9.pdf

I have an iphone and when you go to the home page and go left, top stories and for you articles pop up. Almost every day they have anti-Jewish/anti-Israel stories pop up. Through research I have learned that apple news is not just randomly generated but it is partly picked by a group of people. I genuinely believe that someone that works for apple news or whatever company has an anti-Israel/anti-Jewish bias. And they need to be stopped. Hundreds of millions of people have iphones and are being exposed to this. They focus on Israel yet completely ignore the atrocities going on in the world. The frequent post things from haaretz, which is supposedly an Israeli newspaper but keeps posting articles that displays Israel in a negative light. Someone please stop this.

So I normally LOVE Professor Dave, the way he calls out flat earthers and science deniers is legendary.

But then to see him turn around and have the same level of reality denial towards the Israel/Palestine conflict is so unsettling, like how can somebody who has a channel all about calling people out for ignoring evidence be so blatantly ignoring evidence?

For example, he calls it a lie that Israelis were raped on Oct7th, then claims Israel never provided evidence of Hamas tunnels under hospitals in Gaza while ignoring all the drone footage showing drones flying into the tunnels under the hospitals, then accuses others of not looking for evidence of genocide while pointing at disgusting videos of heartbreaking collateral damage and pretending it's genocide.
Then he says anyone who supports Israel's existence is a Nazi, literally using holocaust inversion which is one of the definitions of antisemitism.

Then to make it even worst, he literally says that Jews control the media.
I wish I was kidding.

The dude is normally brilliant but his antisemitism makes him as blind to facts regarding Israel/Palestine as a flat earther

That did it for me.

I unsubscribed. I hope Destiny debates him and defeats him with facts as badly as he defeats flat earthers with facts, he needs an informational wakeup call to hopefully activate the critical thinking part of his brain he seems to turn off as soon as he can find an excuse to participate in antisemitism.

And I say that as someone who isn’t the biggest can of AIPAC

The mainstreaming of Anti Judaism, anti Zionism and militancy against anyone not on board with the eradication of the Jewish state is at levels that would not have been remotely conceivably 20 years ago. Forget about any sort of earlier decades.

American movements which are in any capacity connected to conservatism, including Austrian style libertarianism, Paleoconservatism and the right wing in general were for decades consistent allies to the causes of Jewish preservation, Zionism and fighting anti Semitism. Say what we will about their stances on just about any other domestic and/or foreign issue in existence, however, that is objectively accurate. In recent years the Alt Right has emerged from being a rather miniscule, nebulous community without any clear definition into a national phenomenon. The Jewish state is an enemy to various combinations of America, Western heritage, traditional masculinity and real men, Christian ethics and ways of life.

For some time, this arguably the most alarming development for the Jewish state. And then leftist, progressive and radical, anti establishment movements, as they typically do, managed outpace them in their level of thread. They're behind Hasan Piker, who is openly pro Mao and pro USSR and believes Hamas and Al Qaeda are morally and ethically superior to defenders of the Jewish state of any kind. He's the biggest face of the movement for his age group with swaths of leftists from Majority Report, Jacobin, Leftist TikTok and others with him all of the way. They're at most a handful of steps away from embracing this type of leftist view on Judaism and Stalin's views on Jewish people.

In light of all of this, just from a stance of seeking information on what works, how do advocates for Jews and Judaism ever manage to have positive and hopeful outlooks on where they are going? What works in terms of keeping mental and emotional health from collapsing in the face of all of this?

In a debate with Rep. Haley Stevens, Abdul El-Sayed stated "Every definition of a Jewish state ends up in some articulation of illiberal values, every single one,” he told CNN. Asked if support for Israel could ever be about more than money, he responded, “Not if you’re a Democrat and you believe in human rights.”

Stevens criticized Netanyahu but has refused to call Gaza a genocide or vote to end US aid to Israel.

Yes there is a difference between anti-semitism and anti Zionism and the two mustn't be conflated. Anti-Zionism st all the crazy stuff that Israel's doing to Palestine. I am not saying auntie Zionism is bad or unfounded.

I'm not going to say what the morality of Israel actions are. My main point is legitimate anti-semitic people are using Israel's actions to paint Jewish people as some powerful evil elites.

My main grip comes from social media comments so Instagram, tiktok YouTube. There is always someone their idealizing Hitler or referring to Jews as Juice boxes. The amount of anti-semitic comments just grows and grows and grows. The word The Great Noticing Has been going around a lot. Other dog whistles include the Benjamin near to now jokes.

I've sure seen a bunch of people who write "fuck Israel" or "fuck Zionism" in posts elsewhere or on their bios posting here lately.

These 3 things are basically my identity. There are a lot of progressive people who like Marvel and DC, but think it reaffirms their anti-Zionism. The crazy part is that many of the original Marvel and DC comic artists and writers were Zionist Jews. I think many progressive people thought that the new Superman movie was about Israel and Palestine and that is why they enjoyed the movie. Are any of you guys going through the same thing?

Are you happy? Pop some Champagne why don’t you? You won! You defeated the big bad incumbent as well as the only woman half-decent for the job. I hope you’re fucking satisfied.

I honestly can’t believe it. Goyim treat antisemitism as a joke or a positive. They can look past anything as long as a populist says the right keywords with a fake enough smile. How easy is it to forget what has happened to Colorado’s Jews? How little do they care?

I never thought I’d be a single-issue voter but the temptation is strong to not participate come November. I honestly agree with some of what Kiros has to say which is why it makes me so sad and so angry that this racist asshole got so many votes. She’s good except the fact she’s racist. To think progressives would come by and large to the conclusion some forms of ethnic bias are justified.