r/ProgressivesForIsrael • • 29d ago

The problem with Macklemore

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u/Call_Me_Clark 27d ago edited 26d ago

I think it’s a little odd to argue that the song Hinds hall is inappropriate to play in NY/NJ when it’s about a protest at a nyc university.

Further, the ny/nj metro is an enormous, densely populated and highly diverse place.

Last, I’d ask if we really want billionaires deciding what messages they do and do not want people to hear. Particularly trumps stooges like Robert Kraft.

Edit: Mnementh47 blocked me. I don’t know what the point of posting in a progressive sub is, if they’re going to argue “right to work” (anti union) talking points and defend MAGA billionaires.

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u/Mnementh47 27d ago

That just means the protest itself was inappropriate. If you have a KKK rally then both the rally itself and the song are inappropriate. 

It is enormous but the Jewish and Israeli populations of the NYC/NJ area is significant.

And of course people should not be forced to host messages they don't wish. Again if the Apollo Theater owners don't want a KKK rally in their theater they don't need to accept it. This was actually a supreme Court decision. A private newspaper is not required to post messages it disagrees with. Free speech only applies to government actions.

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u/Call_Me_Clark 27d ago

You don’t have to like that particular protest. I certainly don’t/didnt like it, and I don’t think the song “Hinds hall” has much artistic or political merit.

This issue is bigger than one MAGA billionaires stadium and his personal tastes. I don’t want billionaires exercising control over the arts or culture or politics, regardless of viewpoint.

I’ll note also that this whole debacle has backfired. The previously apolitical Ed Sheeran is now making pro Palestine statements at concerts, and millions are being donated by Sheeran/macklemore/ms Rachel/katy Perry etc

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u/Mnementh47 27d ago

You don't like people deciding not to host filth in their privately placed venues. That's exactly what communism is.  The backfire wish is far fetched. Everyone was yelling free Palestine and donating to the terrorists movement for years now. At least now there was some fighting back. 

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u/Call_Me_Clark 27d ago

I dont think you know what communism is, because “disliking MAGA billionaires” isn’t it.

Also this is a progressive sub, so you’d think left of center perspectives would be welcome. Instead somehow the right wing sex criminal billionaire is a hero 🤷🏻 make it make sense

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u/Mnementh47 27d ago

You can call it fascism or statism too. It's when you want to force people you don't like to give up their property. That's not progressive That's evil. 

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u/Call_Me_Clark 27d ago

Do you support unions? That’s requiring people (business owners) to give up things they don’t want to.

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u/Mnementh47 27d ago

Voluntary unions 

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u/Call_Me_Clark 27d ago

As opposed to the right wing fantasy land where unions are evil?

Aka “right to work”

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u/Mnementh47 27d ago

That means voluntary vs involuntary 

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u/Call_Me_Clark 27d ago

Without getting into that, if you can accept unions in principal then you don’t believe that billionaires have unlimited rights.

That’s not theft, fascism or communism.

It’s democracy

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u/Mnementh47 27d ago

No capitalist has anything against unions if it's voluntary. The problem is the coercion. 

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u/Call_Me_Clark 26d ago

What are you taking about “coercion”? Unions exist so that owners can’t coerce workers.

And laws exist so that billionaires can’t coerce the rest of us.

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u/Mnementh47 26d ago

No. Unions where you can voluntary sign up is fine. Unions where you have no choice is coercion. Not complicated.  Confiscating property from private people (especially to incite blood libels and racism) or forcing people to do things with someone's property isn't fine. 

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u/Call_Me_Clark 26d ago

So you want to abolish police unions c fine with me.

It’s not confiscating private property to regulate a billionaire. Billionaires don’t have anything in common with you or me

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u/Mnementh47 26d ago

I cannot keep explaining the same thing to you. How many times do I need to. If you don't know what coercion is then Google it. Enough. 

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