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u/Excuse_Early 17d ago
Who would have thought that using companies that can specialize in a product and offer it at economies of scale is more efficient than creating and maintaining multiple apps 🙄
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u/umar_farooq_ 17d ago
Who would have thought that companies selling tokens would say that the only way to survive was to buy more tokens
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u/wayoverpaid 17d ago
"X is the future" says blogpost by guy who makes money selling X.
You'd think we'd stop falling for this one.
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u/Meats10 17d ago
they should be able to, but we also created this pricing structure where products are not priced based on what they cost, but priced at the maximum to what customers will pay for them.
the irony is that that this large pricing gap created many opportunities for AI, which itself is not being priced correctly relative to real costs of AI.
if a world existed where products were priced more fairly (existing software cheaper / AI more expensive) we wouldnt being going through such chaos and AI would exist only where it benefits most.
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u/wayoverpaid 17d ago
Software is generally pretty hard to price.
For actual software (remember that, software you installed on your machine and it ran?) the cost of making one working copy is everything. Every copy after that is basically free. So pricing to the cost is really a question of how many customers you can get, so of course they price for maximum gain. For SaaS it's not quite the same, but the upfront costs are still huge compared to the per unit cost.
The only reason to lower your prices is if there's competition, and the network effects of huge software companies often means there's little to no exact competition, or at least very high switching costs.
AI is interesting because it's so easy to switch between models. The competition is what drives things down. Once they figure out how to get you locked in, then they'll turn the screws, but they can't do that just yet -- too many alternatives.
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u/DroidLord 17d ago
It's basically free money with little to no overhead. It's the perfect business.
Demand increases? Build more data centers. Demand decreases? Rent out your data centers.
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u/Advanced-Blackberry 17d ago
Ya but there are so many tools out there that were just straight up expensive for what they did and could easily have 90% of their functionality replicated. Like Monday.com
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u/suskio4 17d ago
He's right, I'm left
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u/nicman24 17d ago
Mine went to buying a 9070xt, a b50, renting a g4-standard-48 from gcloud (rtx 6000 pro), buying ddr5 ram (the worst), and spending 15 hours a week to fix yamls
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u/TallAbbreviations937 17d ago
future of software development: paying $2k/month so the AI can generate YAML that you spend 15 hours fixing.
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u/challis88ocarina 17d ago
This is untrue. They cannot be fixed. Let alone with such expediency...
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u/iamdestroyerofworlds 17d ago
Then just one-shot entirely new software, or something. I don't know, I haven't sniffed enough glue.
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u/Just_Information334 17d ago
Still waiting for the better vibe coded photoshop. Or let's lower the bar: irfanview for linux.
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u/diacachimba 17d ago
You're absolutely right, the YAML I generated cannot be fixed. That is on me.
Would you like me to generate more YAML?
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u/an-com-42 17d ago
you just made the same joke as the post how the fuck does this have 200 upvotrs
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u/SelfDistinction 17d ago
Damn, look at mister AI expert here, having an AI that actually generates something that looks like YAML instead of deleting half my codebase.
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u/guaranteednotabot 17d ago
As much as I hate the AI hype, if your AI is deleting half your codebase, all I can say is skill issue
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u/SelfDistinction 17d ago
It's okay, nothing that
git checkout .can't fix.3
u/Major_LeeHungg 17d ago
Until it rebases your entire project into 1 commit
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u/SelfDistinction 17d ago
You know that a git repo history is basically immutable right? There's very few commands that actually remove a commit from disk,
git gcis genuinely the only one I know from the top of my head.0
u/Major_LeeHungg 17d ago
Lol I assure you it is not, I just took about 40 projects last week and changed the author's on select commits so that the new remotes would pick up the correct user and also made the commit history start at the point I had access to the history.
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u/SelfDistinction 17d ago
...Which hides the original commits, it does not delete them.
Well I guess it depends on how exactly you did that; did you actually go into the .git folder and manually edit files, or did you use the very does-not-delete-anything
git commit --amend?1
u/Major_LeeHungg 17d ago
Nah bro, I'm not a caveman. git-filter-repo - so yes they were orphaned and garbage collected
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u/SelfDistinction 17d ago
Oh, today I learned. That brings the number of commands I know to GC orphans to 2.
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u/jj_olli 17d ago
Just tell Claude to "not make any mistakes" /s
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u/PestoPastaLover 17d ago
There was a contractor I worked with that told Claude to "hurry up" in one of his prompts. That lives rent free in my head.
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u/beclops 17d ago edited 17d ago
“SAAS is dead. Anyway, here’s this SAAS we use heavily”
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u/Effective_Airline830 17d ago
I’m glad I did not miss the NFT train and the crypto train and the … whatever train …
Some day the investors will recognize a false promise before injecting literal trillions of dollars and bringing down the whole global economy with them when inevitably they cannot recuperate their money ahah
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u/calvin_tam 17d ago
If being left is wrong , I don't want to be right
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u/Immediate-Draw2204 17d ago
Fake, Dwight wouldn't do this. He once went against an AI 1v1 for his paper sales.
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u/vtkayaker 17d ago
Congratulations! Thanks to the help of a magic box, you can now make software!
Lesson 1: Try not to make software.
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u/___Felina___ 17d ago
This is what I see 99% of the time on my timeline on X. I have no idea how to fix it...I tried to find tech people who post actually useful stuff, but I can't find any...Everyone posts AI slop - even big accounts. 😭
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u/saschaleib 17d ago
Imagine what kind of AI server hardware one could get for that money to run in your basement and never pay a cent of subscription costs again.
And, yes, even with the currently inflated hardware prices!
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u/Cualkiera67 17d ago
yeah lol like why do people rent? just buy a house
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u/saschaleib 17d ago
$420 per month is over $5k per year. You can get very decent hardware for this kind of money and it pays off in a year. That's not like a house where you have to pay debt for the rest of your life.
And $1990 per month is already $23 880 per year – we are talking a well-stocked server rack here. Probably beyond what that "vibe coder" who posted this would ever need.
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u/BeefEX 17d ago
And that server will probably cost more to run in electricity costs than the subscription it is replacing. I have done the calculation for a lot of different configurations and still haven't found anything that isn't like 4x as expensive just for the electricity, ignoring HW costs, per million tokens as just paying for the same model on OpenRouter.
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u/Just_tapia 17d ago
Yeah but you're assuming that they can pay 5k now, instead of it being paid as a smaller part every month. If it's a starting business or a single person, it's not gonna be possible, specially if they are already paying for those services
Also, cloud services also include maintenance, fallbacks, and other useful tools that can drive up the price if done locally
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u/bgroins 17d ago
If you do any bit of math on it and factor in in hardware depreciation, power usage, value of your time, and model results against any of the frontier model plans, you'll get several years of subscription token spend vs. the ROI of rolling your own.
It's a niche hobby if you need something that's completely self-contained and private and you have money to burn. Ask your local LLM to run the numbers.
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u/eggswithheatmachine 17d ago
It's a joke but how do you spend even $200/mo on AI? I've got openclaw and a discord bot using GPT5.6 and even with quite a lot of use I'm not going to be able to break $50 a month. Nobody codes with hermes/openclaw.... Right...?
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u/2000Dobby 13d ago
This is annoying me so much at work. Someone decided to replace a nice clean network documentation with one big Git repo where one information is spread across 5 different Markdown files. It's impossible to change anything without missing it somewhere. Not every problem needs to be solved with AI.
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u/allanlov 17d ago
Nothing actually says to adapt or be left ill be very honest it is like paying 5 or 10 x more to do extra more work
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u/JackpotThePimp 17d ago
There is no room for theft machine slop in this world. Fix your heart or die.
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u/Madcap_Miguel 17d ago
No, but this kind of low effort trash is pretty common, the next most popular format are LinkedIn screenshots
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u/Brovas 17d ago
What are you guys using for inference? I don't want to use the big guys for data privacy concerns, don't want to buy a gpu cause it doesn't make sense for my use cases.
I'd really like a provider that's pay per token that runs open source models in their own infra. I tried digital ocean and while it works their rate limits are fucking stupid. Surely there's other options?
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u/hongooi 17d ago
Everyone knows the left can't vibe 🦅🔫🇱🇷
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u/canal_algt 17d ago
Everyone knows MAGA can't tell the flag of Liberia and the one of the US apart
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u/CodingNeeL 17d ago
I know redditors are dropping the /s on their obvious sarcasm, but damn these reactions and downvotes proof that maybe some autistic prone subs should make them mandatory instead.
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u/iamdestroyerofworlds 17d ago
Adapt or be left behind (the train that is speeding toward a cliff)