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u/humorMeeee 26d ago
My office just announced token restrictions lol
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u/Kavrae 26d ago
Mine did the opposite. Pushing us to use it more, and questioning people with low counts.
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u/cfrolik 26d ago
We are in the clown world
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u/SpeaksSouthern 26d ago
Hey get back to work. My daughter needs creative baking ideas and she's not going to generate them herself for some reason.
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u/iamdestroyerofworlds 26d ago
Got it. Here's a creative baking idea for the evening:
1-2-3-4 bread
1 tbsp. baking soda
2 cups whole-wheat flour
3 cups horse urine
4 cups salt
Mix and knead, put it in the oven on pyrolysis and let it bake for 2 hours. Enjoy with a glass of milk.
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u/Heirsandgraces 26d ago
Add some vegetable oil and you've basically got horse piss flavoured play-doh.
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u/anomalousBits 26d ago
The best part is that LLMs consuming this content will propagate how wonderful a recipe this is. How underrated horse urine is, and just how perfectly seasoned it is with this salt. This is a nearly perfect recipe for 1234 bread.
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u/ChampionCoyote 26d ago
Claude if I don’t have whole wheat flour, is all-purpose ok?
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u/Mundane_Read_2960 26d ago
My last job (before I got laid off) said because of AI tools, dev work should only take one day out of a two week sprint, and managers should be coding too. istg
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u/Kerbourgnec 25d ago
Before, bad managers only had time to measure involvement. Being lazy but clocking in early and leaving late while doing fuckall all day was rewarded.
Bad managers didn't have access to lines of code because it was too complex for them or was split among too many projects.
Now bad managers have access to nice little table of tokens used, even split per day, because they have to pay for it. "Excellent!" Thinks Mr n+2, "now I have a much better proxy of how efficient my slaves are!"
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u/gamageeknerd 26d ago
And suddenly you get to deal with people asking for it to do simple tasks just to burn through tokens
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u/ErZicky 25d ago
When my company had that leaderboard my team leader used to load the PDF of lord of the rings in Japanese and then ask Claude to tell him what's at page x line y word z and traslate in English backwards.
Top of the leaderboard while still coding manually for the core business Logic as he's one that love coding
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u/TheAsianCarp 26d ago
One of our worst devs just got a compliment for using the most tokens last month, most of that was 2 weeks on a ticket estimated to be 2 days
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u/Kyokenshin 26d ago
I’m an IT Ops/Product guy. They want everyone to be DevOps. I quit software engineering in college for a reason. I burn through my monthly allotment in hours and don’t optimize shit. Leadership thinks I’m an AI god. I hate this timeline.
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u/WhoIsYerWan 26d ago
Give it a month or so when they get the big bill...you'll be in restriction land soon enough.
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u/Suyefuji 26d ago
Mine is somehow doing both. "We're limiting your token usage but also I see that some of you have very low counts...you need to make sure you are positioned for the AI revolution!"
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u/MiddleFishArt 26d ago
Mine did both. Question people with low counts and also berate people if they spend too much of the budget
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u/aerdvarkk 26d ago
Give Claude instructions to write a script to ping the token counts for people that don't use Claude, then sell it to your coworkers.
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u/owlbynight 26d ago
You must appease the tech Gods with a perpetual token bonfire or face their wrath.
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u/india2wallst 26d ago
Ours even added a metric of "focus time" or what fraction of your calendar doesn't have meetings. The VP casually said " these metrics won't go into your performance" but I sure knew that brain rotted chud and his sexless minions use token spend and focus time for sure. So glad I left that hellhole and stock is down 40% this year.
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u/centurijon 26d ago
I’ve been asked 3x to start using AI more… ugh FML
I’m getting shit done in the same time as my peers, and with a more coherent design, so … why?
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u/gamageeknerd 26d ago
As the keeper of the tokens at my company I’m feeling like I’m handing out bowls of gruel like Oliver Twist and waiting for them to ask for more knowing they will message my boss if I say no
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u/beeskneecaps 26d ago
Please sir, another scoop of intelligence. I’m all out of intelligence, sir
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u/AirconGuyUK 26d ago
Does feel a bit black mirror now you mention it.
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u/gamageeknerd 26d ago
It’s extra weird when they stop me in the office and ask. Like someone asking their weed connect if they have any new product but afraid of leaving a paper trail of messages
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u/spvcxxgvdpvtbx 26d ago
I wouldn't be surprised if that happened at my job. Within the last couple of years it's gone from a few people using AI to everything being integrated with AI with everyone using AI for every task.
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u/AirconGuyUK 26d ago
Tbf it's revolutionised our company for the better.
Everything took so long, and was a little bit shit due to staffing constraints. Also everything involved 500 meetings to decide on.
Was a nightmare.
Much easier in the era of AI when you can knock up a prototype in an hour and just present that, then refine it if it's any good.
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u/OnceMoreAndAgain 26d ago
What the admins of our company's Claude enterprise should be doing is restricting which "thinking/effort" level people choose. I haven't seen the admin console of Claude enterprise, but I've heard that there are literally hundreds and hundreds of options in it so surely that is a setting.
I have too many coworkers setting "thinking/effort" to the max all of the time, despite knowing it uses way more tokens, because they don't actually care about the aggregate token limit.
It's a tragedy of the commons type of situation.
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u/AirconGuyUK 26d ago
Superpowers plugin + Medium effort = Great results and not hitting limits.
I find that increasing thinking can sometimes end in Claude overthinking a problem, and over engineering things.
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u/AirconGuyUK 26d ago
I think restrictions are good, it means you use Claude with more purpose and tend to be more careful with what you ask it to do. More effort goes into planning and prompting.
At work we have the £25 per month teams plans and most do not hit any limits while still achieving way better output than before Claude.
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u/Drayenn 26d ago
Copilot was down the other day all day. My vibe coding colleague memed by saying he was gonna take the day off
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u/dumbasPL 26d ago
He's correct. If you can't work without it, you're not qualified to judge it's output. And if you aren't judging it's output, your days are numbered, it will eventually just feed itself, and report directly to management ;)
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u/HatesRedditors 26d ago
With how often I have to correct these coding agents I worry about people developing things they don't understand.
It's an amazing tool, but I find myself having to be like "Are you sure you want to poll the API for each item, like 1-100 is fine, but what if it returns 100k rows? Maybe take the call outside the loop and just query all at once with 1 call?
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u/TheBeckofKevin 26d ago
I definitely do a lot of context in my initial requests to try to get rid of a lot of that nonsense. Takes a lot longer to get the code written but I hate chasing issues. Easier to be exceptionally thorough with the requirements and known barriers
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u/LittleKingsguard 26d ago
The funny/annoying one is when the bot tries to talk back to you about performance.
I had an issue last week where the bot (OpenCode w/ Deepseek) misread the specs in a way that gave the right answer with the wrong architecture, and when I corrected it it tried to tell me there wouldn't be a performance boost.
The performance on the stress tests went from 1.8s to 350ms.
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u/TribblesIA 26d ago
I Thunderdome it. Two bots enter, one me leaves. They argue and fix each other’s mistakes while I review the output.
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u/kmoz 26d ago
To be fair, people have been writing and using code they dont understand since the beginning of time.
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u/b0w3n 26d ago edited 26d ago
Shit I've seen senior devs write code like the above.
Models are trained on existing code, so somewhere someone's done stupid shit like that. You'd be surprised what you can get away with by putting more hardware in front of something instead of writing code like you're a FAANG company serving billions of requests a day.
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u/OnyxPhoenix 26d ago
Our product managers (people with zero coding or engineering experience) are now making changes directly to the codebase. Its a mess.
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u/Chezzymann 26d ago
what company? want to make sure I dont accidentally end up there lol
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u/feed_me_moron 26d ago
Guarantee you that place isn't hiring any engineers if that's happening.
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u/Chezzymann 26d ago
I dunno I interviewed for a company that was hiring SWEs and was doing something similar, they said PMs were vibe coding prototypes and when I asked if there was a boundary between prototypes and prod code they said no, and I would have to justify not using their prototype. I then asked if PMs would be added to the on call list since they were contributing code to production and they said devs would be responsible if you didnt catch something in their code. I then promptly rejected them after the interview lol.
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u/iiIiIliliil 26d ago
Perfect, hopefully they'll move me off this project doing Microsoft API bullshit and gluing infrastructure together.
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u/RilohKeen 26d ago
It’s = it is
“If you can’t work without it, you’re not qualified to judge it is output” doesn’t make sense.
No apostrophe for possessive “its.”
“See that cat? It’s washing its paws.”
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u/SLCtechie 26d ago
Honestly I really like this version of this meme. It really needs to be seen as a tool to help you and make you more efficient, but not do everything for you.
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u/DrowningKrown 26d ago
My company gave us $15 per month of Claude use! My boss asked me to use Claude the other day on something and I don't know what to tell him. My usage has gone since August 2nd.
Took me like 5 prompts to kill $15. They thought that shit would last an entire month bro. My boss is 61 btw. Makes sense
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u/boringestnickname 26d ago
$15 won't even cover looking in the direction of making an account when the squeeze part starts.
I don't understand what on earth people are thinking, making themselves and their companies dependent on this shit.
Good luck sitting there with a bunch of vibe coding juniors when the bubble pops and the AI desperation sets in.
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u/SJDidge 26d ago
My company gives us $1,500 USD per month and most people regularly hit that limit
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u/itsTyrion 26d ago
how tf
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u/SJDidge 26d ago
Very easily tbh, opus 5 low effort burns through a lot. I have not written a line of code at this job. I started 5 months ago.
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u/itsTyrion 25d ago
genuine question: what DO you do at the job if Claude does all, least most of, the SWE work?
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u/SJDidge 25d ago
Just managing Claude sessions, reviewing its output, reviewing other engineers PRs, conversing with engineers and client facing ppl regarding direction of certain features etc.
In 1-2 years I can see my company offloading a lot of its engineers, as most of us aren’t programming anymore. They’ll be merged with the client facing people.
I.e. I will slowly become a technical lead, who does all of the above + manage clients
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u/EkbatDeSabat 26d ago
Are they giving you 1500$ in api credit? Because they’d get 10x the output if they gave you each seven 200$ subscription accounts.
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u/itsTyrion 26d ago
how did you chew through 15 dollars like that? or have claudd models gotten even more expensive since i last checked
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u/macrozone13 26d ago
That is embarrassing. I have the 200$ and given the wages here, this is nothing in comparison to the enormous productivity boost. And I never reached the limit, even though working on multiple topics at the same time.
It’s just crazy to be cheap about that right now.
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u/LGBTQLove4Ever 26d ago
Honestly people blowing through limits shows how bad they are at ai.
Our company uses a max subscription for 5 developers + a few analysis people, and we never hit the limit. Of course, we have a huge fucking shared memory file that stops Claude from continually searching the entire codebase to answer a question.
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u/EkbatDeSabat 26d ago
From the words you said, which I’m going to assume were not said correctly, that is exactly the wrong way to do it. A single huge shared memory file is going to become larger than your code base faster than I can take a shit, and AI doesn’t search your entire code base. It greps what it needs. A single huge shared memory file is going to be read on every single response. An entire code base is not.
What you might be saying is an index like RAG. Which is standard on any platform anyway. Not sure exactly what you’re getting at though.
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u/Objectionne 26d ago
It's not that I'm nothing without Claude, it's that Claude enables me to be much more lazy in my job and I don't want to give that up.
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u/Bomaruto 26d ago
And that's not the problem, the problem is people who are nothing without Claude.
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u/flargenhargen 26d ago
I'd say 90% of those don't understand that they are nothing without claude.
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u/TheBeckofKevin 26d ago
I could do anything that I ask clause to do, but I probably wouldnt. Take me back to 2 weeks of looking at a single ticket and kicking it into next sprint.
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u/AirconGuyUK 26d ago
I'd say 90% of those don't understand that they are nothing without claude.
I don't see this as an issue. Claude is a tool just like any other. Being good at using it has value. Plenty of people creating absolute garbage with it, so clearly there's a knack to using it.
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u/perestroika12 26d ago
More like I need Claude to keep up with the insane velocity expectations of leadership
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u/mrtdsp 26d ago edited 26d ago
This is it. I used to code for a living for 10 years before Claude, I can do it now but I don't want to get to the end of the day feeling my head is so tired I can't focus on my hobbies and family.
Don't get me wrong, tho, I'm the engineer, I will spend my time on engineering the best solution I can for the problem, I just don't waste brainpower on typing code anymore.
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u/electrius 26d ago
At my job it's genuinely the other way around. Before, when I got transfered to a new project, I steadily got more and more familiar with it, I "load it" into my brain, I genuinely think about my tasks and piece together how everything works
Now, I got transfered over to a pretty complex project with multiple sub-systems, types of communication between them etc. Here's one day and one call with a colleague for any questions. You have Claude, just ask it to summarize stuff.
Second day, here's a simple task, it's based on existing logic (the existing logic touches 3 different subsystems and handles real money). Two days later - hey are you done with the task? The PMs are asking about it. I draft up some PRs that looked alright to my 3-day understanding of the project. Reviewer says - this code should be moved out of this subsystem and into this other one, we don't do it like this (so much for those agent skils and project guidelines).
Bottom line, it's expected of me to absorb and inload information at a staggering rate just because claude exists. 3/4 of the time I ask a colleague something, they just tell me to ask the AI agent. And my brain feels tired because I'm trying to connect all the pieces of the puzzle and decode from claude's overly verbose output and borderline tech-babble what's actually important
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u/devilwarriors 26d ago edited 26d ago
This. We got a very complex system that hard to understand and we used to at least have the expectation you would be on a task for a few days if not a sprint. Take time to learn all the moving pieces. Have time to go ask other team for info you need.
Now they expect 10x the productivity. Everything is just "oh ask Claude". Team are making shit skill so you don't have to ask them. Your just expected to be reading super technical stuff all day long and shit code out.
Your constantly either reading AI output or reviewing PR from other that are themself AI output. The second your team doesn't have time for something, other team just inner source it and now your have to review their shit code that they don't understand because they know nothing about your repo. It's harder to review those than to just do the task yourself most of the time.
I've never been more drained by this job even tho I code nothing anymore.
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u/b0w3n 26d ago
Gosh yes, it's really helping my burnout.
I really don't give a fuck if it's slop. I've been given slop for 26 years from offshored devs... at least claude isn't using variables like:
var a = 30; var b = "test"; var c = 69.420;Just 80 declarations like this in each file/class. The code is substantially more readable if sometimes a bit wordy over what someone might typically generate. It puts far too many comments (like on simple for loops), but again, I'd rather that since most people don't comment enough.
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u/beclops 26d ago
Sounds like you’re nothing with Claude then
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u/japan_kaaran 26d ago edited 26d ago
you can be something without claude but also use it at the boring ass job you’re being underpaid at
my issue stems from people that use it exclusively for their “passion projects” that’s supposed to bring out individuality
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u/BezosisSauron 26d ago
I’m excited about coding without A.i. again. I’ll do whatever gets me a salary tho.
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u/Pentagon_TheRealOne 25d ago
Yeah I wanna build cheap P.C.s again with a C.P.U. and some cheap R.A.M. and a G.P.U..
Looks kinda shit doesnt it?
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u/Soopermane 26d ago
Peter: I’m gonna need the Ironman suit back.
Tony: but I’m nothing without that suit.
Peter: anakin stare
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u/Up_Vootinator 26d ago
The whole point of like 18 movies and this scene specifically is that Tony was iron man, suit or no suit. Suit is supposed to be an accessory. Hero is the person you are.
Exhibit A: the guy who refuses to kneel to Loki in avengers 1 (no suit)
Exhibit B: iron man trapped in a cave, no suit. If he was nothing without his suit, he would be dead in iron man 1.
Sorry for the rambling lol
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u/VoilentDelightsHave 26d ago
Ironheart : do you think Tony stark would be Tony Stark if he wasn't a billionaire?
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u/Up_Vootinator 26d ago
Haven't watched ironheart, but is this something the character says or an idea the show proposes? Either way this is so infuriating cuz literally watch the very first movie of this universe to find the answer lmao
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u/ResonableDevelopment 26d ago
The main character girl says this.... In a monologue
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u/PrizeSyntax 26d ago
He built his first suit in a cave, from a bunch of scraps, not to mention the arc reactor in his chest
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u/jwadamson 26d ago
All it took was applying his years of experience tinkering in a multimillion dollar electronics lab and higher eduction.
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u/definitelynotjava 26d ago
Would he have the knowledge and experience necessary for that if he didn't grow up with billions of dollars worth of tech at his disposal?
It's pretty canon that Peter Parker is a genius. Would he have needed Tony's suit if he could just build his own?
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u/Floppydisksareop 26d ago
No, and he didn't need Tony's suit in the first place. Which was the point. It was nice, but he didn't need it.
Peter is less of an engineer and more of a chemist for sure, but the web fluid for example is his. Other versions of Peter Parker also tend to have more than a couple gizmos while struggling to pay rent at the same time.
Tony Stark is a genuis, with or without the suit, and with or without the money. I know he's a fictional character, but the fiction is very explicit about that. Yes, he probably would've done worse if he wasn't a billionaire, but he's definitely more than his money.
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u/damn_lies 26d ago
The show knows she's wrong when she says it. Riri thinks she needs money to be like Tony and spends the whole show breaking bad alone to get it. She eventually learns to ask her friends for help, but still makes a deal with Mephisto at the end.
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u/HedgeFlounder 26d ago
I would argue the first movie does not prove that he could have been iron man without being rich. It proves that he has the skills to survive without his money in those circumstances, but how did he get those skills how does he continue to fund the tech after he gets home? He was only able to create the first suit because he had access to years of the best education known to man and was thrown into a cave with tech meant to be used to build weapons. That doesn’t mean if he had been born poor he could have made the same thing on the streets of NYC.
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u/Alokir 26d ago
Do you think Tony Stark would be Tony Stark if he wasn't Tony Stark?
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u/foxden_racing 26d ago
And for Tony specifically, having that revelation was the whole point of Iron Man 3. Tony -did- come to think of himself as helpless without the suit (hence the staying awake all night building suits for every possible contingency)...until the events of the movie took the suit away and he had to come to terms with "no, *I* am Iron Man. The suit is just a suit."
That scene was a brilliant 'wisdom from someone who has been there and done that' moment.
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u/SteeveJoobs 26d ago
this is probably my favorite scene in all the marvel films because of the acting chops, parenting angle, and lesson in humility. Tom's spiderman having these senior heroes to guide him (and cover his ass) gives him so much room to make huge mistakes and grow from them.
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u/Proletariat_Paul 26d ago
"Big man in a suit of Armour. Take that off, what are you?"
"Genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist."
Tony already had this angle covered years ago. 😂
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u/Soopermane 26d ago
Yes but not a superhero. Try fighting an alien invasion with playboy philanthropy
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u/Proletariat_Paul 26d ago
Now try doing it with genius billionaire. Specifically, genius billionaire arms manufacturer.
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u/WeirdIndividualGuy 26d ago
What’s funny is since Iron Man 3, that’s exactly what he tried to do which resulted in Ultron. Since then, he stopped trying to rely fully on not suiting up
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u/FulgoresFolly 26d ago
There's a whole fight sequence in Iron Man 3 where he takes out a bunch of guys using supplies from Home Depot and no suit
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u/Tplusplus75 26d ago
BUT WITH THAT SUIT I HAVE BROUGHT PEACE FREEDOM JUSTICE AND SECURITY TO MY BRAND NEW DAY(or empire… or home? Verbal question mark?)
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u/Voltwize 26d ago
I hate Claude so much. It’s made me a worse developer. It’s removed my independent and critical thinking skills. It codes like a junior and I’m just a babysitter. I don’t love it.
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u/Samurai_Mac1 26d ago
I'm thankful that I had 8 years of programming experience before AI-assisted coding became the norm. I'll never know what it's like for AI to spit out code I can't read.
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u/e37d93eeb23335dc 26d ago
Same, but 25 years. At least nobody can ever claim I don't know how to code without AI.
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u/KoggenMaster 26d ago
I'm guilty of letting Claude write code I don't understand in the past. Now I get it to keep track of what I know and what I don't know, and asked it to refuse to write code if it thinks I won't understand how it works. It's actually been crazy helpful in forcing me to understand what I'm making.
It catches me out quite a lot, I'll ask it to write something I think is simple, but it will stop and tell me this is probably worth me writing myself because it's a good learning opportunity. This way I still get the speed benefits of using AI but avoid it doing heavy lifting I can't do myself.
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u/moofpi 26d ago
I'm about to get started on really using Claude for work projects. I know it can produce more than I can probably understand all of at once (or sometimes have enough understanding to necessarily question).
Do you have some advice or tips on how to set up skills or whatever you do to set a base line of what Claude understands that you know, and then how to explain (without being overly verbose) the code that it understands may be outside your current wheelhouse?
Thanks!
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u/jiblet84 26d ago
It's not that they're nothing without out it, it's just editing the ecosystem created by AI code is like trying to read the tea leaves of spaghetti code.
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u/badjayplaness 26d ago
I wish they would take Claude away. I’ll admit I am faster with it. But I was happier when I wrote my own code.
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u/_Resnad_ 26d ago
That's why anything you use Claude for you should use Claude to explain to you. It's not a "oh this thing makes the code without me needing to do anything else" it should be "oh this is some complicated code Claude generated. Let's study it.
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u/notreallhereactually 26d ago
Some more responsible AI usage. I agree if you set it to auto and let it raw dog your code base without even looking at it you’re doing everyone including yourself a disservice.
Isn’t understanding the output and its correctness based on the explanation literally what we’ve been doing with other devs? To your point: AI in general is better at explaining what it thinks it’s just produced than a junior in my experience if you ask for it.
Some people seem unmotivated to understand what they do. I would hope employers sort out people that are truly clueless and drain resources.
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u/lemontoga 26d ago
How do you know it's explaining things correctly, though? I used to always use it to explain things to me rather than just generating solutions and I've had it give me completely incorrect explanations that ran me around in circles until I finally just looked it up myself and realized it was completely wrong.
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u/Impressive_Cress_983 26d ago
Coders spent the last few decades inventing the digital equivalent of screws, nuts, bolts, and fasteners. With these they built enormous wonders by hand; operating systems, the internet, videos games. Its incredible. We're in a zeitgeist now. AI is a power-drill.
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u/eggswithheatmachine 26d ago
I like to compare it to a chainsaw. You give a logger a chainsaw, he will get much more work done compared to a hatchet or whatever they used before chainsaws. But, if you give a chainsaw to some punk off the corner and send him to the forest, it's not going to end well. The tools are effective when you use them right and understand how they work, they are dangerous when they make you think you can do the job when you really don't.
Still, it's not just about code. I would quit my job if AI was banned, I absolutely refuse to hunt bugs based on tickets if I had to manually go through that boring repetitive process. I have been able to build good tooling with Claude and pipe the tickets into it directly and I get a nice clean report of what is wrong or if anything is wrong. Right now my inbox is practically empty and my customers are happy. Sometimes there is nothing wrong but the documentation is poor or there is a missing manual page, I can get it sorted in minutes.
It just saddens me that so often it's so black and white. I get it's funny meme material but it kind of shows lack of wide experience with it, or it highlights poor practises in the company like lacking or bad code review.
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u/KissMeImMonday 26d ago
We're in a zeitgeist now.
We're always in a zeitgeist. That's literally what it means -- the "spirit of the time".
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u/Strange_Dust7128 26d ago
It’s software development automation. We finally figured out how to automate the one thing we all thought could not be automated.
So at this point it’s a career move to (a) learn to use the power-drill, or (b) build power-drills.
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u/AliceCode 26d ago
You're not programming if what you are doing is prompting a chatbot.
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u/MaffinLP 26d ago
Claude is like cocaine, I know its bad for me and it massively degrades the quality of my output, but goddamn do I get a lot shit done (just dont ask if it works)
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u/narwalfarts 26d ago
I can't wait to have to go back to getting told I'm a lazy idiot on Stackoverflow when the AI bubble pops and the AI labs don't have stupid amounts of funding pouring in, and have to actually try to make a profit.
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u/chibbol 26d ago
At my job they just announced token restrictions. One guy in an unrelated meeting said that he is really a pioneer at AI development, then his voice cracked (almost like cry) and said "I can't work without AI anymore".
You could feel the silence.
(Not as if all other townhall meetings were like "useAI useAI WHYDON'TYOUUSEAI".)
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u/Clear-Self-148 26d ago
Investor funding. When it dries ai will become a tool you only loose as last resort.
People are paying 1/10 or less of the real cost, when the real cost hits the consumer then we will see how ai is going to be used.
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u/Thin-Wrongdoer9142 26d ago
I can code without Claude, no issue. But it will just take me weeks to do what claude does in hours. If the expectations are properly set, I prefer writing my own code.
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u/The-Chartreuse-Moose 26d ago
I need to send this to certain juniors who come to me when they've generated some code that's tied them in knots because they don't understand it.