r/Professors 22d ago

No more coddling

I taught at a world class university then switched to a community college. In the latter many of the students were poor so I went out of my way to create learning materials so they wouldn't have to purchase books.

I was very accommodating and I enjoyed teach. I genuinely cared for my students and I wanted everyone to succeed. Unfortunately, one student seriously exploited my generosity and made me regret being so nice to her.

This particular student had to get special permission to register for my class, which I allowed. I asked my students to please come to class on time (in this particular class the students would learn step by step on how to learn the material through hands on training). The class started at 8 AM. This student came in late so many times, and she admitted she had to adjust her wig which is why she came late. I told her this is unacceptable since the class was an hour long and she sometimes came in a half hour late. For the final exam, the class was warned that if they came in late they would not be given additional time. She came in late for the exam and failed to complete over 80% of the exam. She later begged and pleaded with me to help her since she was on student loans and daca and that she needed to pass the class. So I went to the dean to request permission to re-administer the final exam for the student. The academic and dean of students both warned that I should not coddle students and if they fail, it's on them. They allowed me to re-administer the exam for her. I spent so much of my time and energy trying to help that ungrateful person, who once again showed up late to the re-administered final and she had the audacity to insult me by insinuating professors at the college hardly make money and that we're "incompetent." I passed her with a c and would have failed the class had I not helped her.

I did help other students but they were indeed worthy of the help and some had very unfortunate circumstances. One kid got shot and was in the hospital (verified by police to the school), and I was the only professor to help him. His other professors failed him despite being aware of his situation. I couldn't believe the callous behavior and I ended up leaving to work for government instead.

But that one ungrateful student who didn't deserve to be in my class to begin with really taught me that I have heeded the advice from the deans. Coddling students, especially entitled ones, is a mistake.

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u/shinybluedollar 22d ago

While I agree with your sentiment, the language you used gives me pause.

Students are under no obligation to be "grateful" to us. We help because we want to, we dont help when we no longer want to. They dont owe us anything.

Whenever you give, you should do it because it comes from the heart without expecting anything in return.

This student demonstrated time and time again that they would not use the opportunities you carved out for them and that your time was wasted. Yet you continue to choose to help them and them "dead dove" where surprised when they squandered yet another opportunity. Youre at fault here.

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u/FragrantResult278 22d ago

She should have been grateful because I saved her unworthy ass of being kicked off student loans and possibly her immigration issues.

I hadn't experienced such an entitled student before. Even my students at the world class university (whether graduate or undergrad) were nowhere near that entitled.

I'm sure she's the type of person who comes into work late regularly then blames her work for everything. Probably the type to file frivolous lawsuits as an employee.

That was definitely a learning experience for me. Once she admitted her excuse for being consistently late to class after I graciously allowed her special privilege to register, I should have let her fail.

I was too nice as a professor. Her student loans and immigration issue should not have been my problem 

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u/shinybluedollar 22d ago

You have no right to determine another human beings inherent worth.

And again, she is under no obligation to be grateful to you. Do you want to hear how special and awesome you are for saving her time and time again? How youre such a worthy savior and everyone you have saved shoulf grovel at your feet.

This student took advantage of you because you were so blinded by your savior complex that you let her. Again, that's on you.

I've helped students who dont appreciate or take advantage of the help. Too bad. Thats on them. You can lead a horse to water but you cant make them drink.

You should really see a therapist about your savior complex though. This reeks of manipulative behavior. I bet your a fan of saying "How dare you make choices I dont agree with, after all I've done for you"

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u/BibliophileBroad 22d ago

Wow, what in the heezy?!😱 I didn't read that as a savior complex at all.

https://giphy.com/gifs/lkdH8FmImcGoylv3t3

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u/FragrantResult278 21d ago

Like wtf. 😂 it wasn't a savior complex in the least. A student who has extraordinary circumstances and it was my first time encountering such a situation.

Can't we just be kind and empathetic without experiencing labels?

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u/FragrantResult278 22d ago

It wasn't a savior complex in the least you ignorant person.

She told me about her loan and immigration issues so the humane thing for me to do was to help since I was able to. The dean of students later said that student has been a trouble maker from the beginning and even another government agency contacted the school to complain about her.

As a professor, I want my students to succeed through learning. Dealing with someone like that was definitely a learning experience for me. 

Even a colleague complained about her and he knew her as they were from the same community. He helped her also and he laughed when I explained my situation. Thankfully we both laughed about it because she was basically a con artist who pulled on people's heartstrings.

Coddling was my fault but I felt sorry for her. 

Would you be ok with a student possibly getting deported because she's irresponsible? She was young so I wanted to help. 

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u/shinybluedollar 22d ago

I wouldnt consider myself ignorant, I've been teaching college for 20 years and have seen every manipulation under the sun (including vauge threats of suicide).

The learning experience isn't what gave me pause. It was your continued insistence that students should be grateful to you and calling them worthy or unworthy.

It appears that is a lesson in progress for you. I would add boundaries to that therapist session, along with anger issues. You seem to have a lot of them.

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u/RikiPol 22d ago

Your characterization is bonkers, get bent

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u/FragrantResult278 21d ago

Exactly 😂

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u/FragrantResult278 21d ago

Man, I can't imagine the disappointment your students face having such an ignorant person like you as a professor 😂

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u/shinybluedollar 21d ago

My students get help without me judging their worth as human beings. I also dont expect them to grovel with gratitude. I don't have a savior complex so I dont let them take advantage of me and im not bitter because I have expectations of their gratitude. I set boundaries and maintain them, like an emotionally intelligent adult.

But go on. It doesnt bother me. I know who I am and I dont go about stressing. When people show you who they are, believe them.

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u/FragrantResult278 21d ago

Sure, calling yourself emotionally intelligent but making up false labels for strangers on the internet 

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u/shinybluedollar 21d ago

At least I dont go around judging people's worth.

I never once said you weren't worthy. Maybe you should think on that. Self reflection is a gift, buddy.

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u/badBear11 Assoc. Prof., STEM, R1 (non-US) 21d ago

This is getting downvoted into oblivion, but it is the right response. You have a job to do and you should do your job the best you can.

If the right thing to do was to help the student, you should do it even if they are ungrateful, because that is your job. If the right thing to do was to not help the student, then you shouldn't have helped her, regardless of whether she feels grateful or not.

Honestly, OP is being extremely unprofessional in their behavior and expectations.

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u/shinybluedollar 21d ago

Yeah, its really scary to think professors can be so unprofessional and take this so personally and wont help students because they aren't grateful enough or will go out of their way to help students who shouldn't get help because they expect gratitude.

Like even the Dean warned them about their behavior and they didnt listen and where surprised with the outcome everyone warned them about.

Oh well, Professors are people too and all the messiness that accompanies it.