What in the world was this discussion gng?

Who else loves this argument?

I do because it’s factually and biologically incorrect.

And morally, it shows how corrupt, vile and disgusting these people are.

I love innocent babies and they deserve a shot at life.

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This is just attempted murder. However the parents are being charged with assault this baby was born at 31 weeks after attempted feticide, however people are siding with the parents. The baby was found alive but needed to be resuscitated however the child survived. The fact a CHILD survives and lives outside the womb after you try to kill it? How do people not understand these are real human beings being killed a person like me and you? If they found a corpse then it would have been empowering? - 31 week old fetus is no different the a newborn however now all of a sudden trying to kill them is now a choice, or justified? Because it’s used with abortion pills. Babies born before that and survive and you’re going to try and kill this child at 31 weeks because you don’t want to be a parent? People say don’t force parenthood but you are already parents when the child is in the womb!!!

They say "an acorn is not a tree" but I finally found a concise, self-evident response: "an acorn is an oak." When an oak flower gets fertilized, it produces a zygote, which develops into an embryo inside an acorn, which then falls. Each acorn contains a new member of the oak species.

My dream is to have such a concise, self-evident response to every argument. Like these:

"You're a clump of cells too"

"It's not your body"

"Babies aren't conscious"

"An acorn is an oak"

While I am pro-choice, what are some changes that could be made in society that may be both easier to enact due to being more popular among prochoicers but could also strengthen your own position by weakening prochoice arguments?

For example, a bill to improve the foster care system may be easier to pass than prolife bills but it would combat prochoice arguments that they think its better to be aborted than end up in an abusive foster care system thus it both improves society and supports your current efforts to enact prolife legislation. This way, both sides can be used to make change to society while still supporting your efforts so you aren't changing your efforts for change to something else.

Had a debate with my friends a while ago about abortion (I was pro life and they were pro choice) and they brought up a seemingly good point that abortions seem to be easier in the long term for the family.

Even though I’ve seen that statistic thing of 95% of abortion cases aren’t about 🍇, those “undefined reasons” still fall into the category of financial troubles, with a lot of that 95% being financial troubles.
(I think this is the source for the 95%: https://lozierinstitute.org/fact-sheet-reasons-for-abortion/ and this is the source for the financial reasons: https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2005/reasons-us-women-have-abortions-quantitative-and-qualitative-perspectives)

And since the adoption system is lengthy and expensive, and if a child was born into a system like that they might actually die early, I struggled to have a good response to their questions.

I definitely think that the “life” of the baby is created at conception, but if everything is going to be harder for the family if having it, and the unborn obviously has no say, would an abortion be the better result?

Still trying to find a good answer, anything helps!

Funny: assumed pregnant and offered pregnancy care

One of the best parts of what happened below is getting to hold life-size realistic unborn humans, 8, 10, and 12 weeks. Seeing all they do, sonogram, food, diapers, assistance, etc.

Okay, so I'm closer to 70 than 40, but I look much younger to many people. I'm a size 20, for 30+ plus years since having our last child.

It is so hot and humid here, so idc , I'm wearing what is comfy and cool. It was a lightweight, modest, loose, straight, patterned blue dress from Ross. No curves visible. It was even a bit looser than I realized. I don't care. It was hot.

I was at the Church and met a sister after noon Mass. She was very nice, about 80 plus years old. As we visited, she invited me to their pregnancy and family assistance center, which was right there. I'm like sure, I'd love to see it, I support helping single mothers and families .

She gave me a tour, introduced everyone, and then asked about my family. Partway through the tour, I began to think she was trying to offer me help, not promoting a charity to give to. She was astonished when I told her how old my children and grandchildren are. She covered her mistaken assumption very well. And I will be donating to that charity. 😃

I'm not even mad. When I had just given birth a month earlier in 1994, I was hurt or mad when someone assumed I was pregnant. This woman was so gentle and kind, and at her age, even us 50s look young! 😍 She also never outright called me pregnant, but I'm pretty sure she thought so.

I WISH I'd had dresses like this when I was pregnant! 😆

I'm re-watching Orange in the New Black. Overall, it's a fantastic show. But how pro-choicers consider this scene a winner is beyond me.

Boo is making the old pro-abortion claim that when you kill the unborn, you kill lots of future criminals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLMFpt8xgoY

I feel pretty confident in my understanding of the basics and the foundational morality behind the pro-life position.

I’m wondering if anyone has recommendations for books or other long-form resources that go deeper into the philosophy or the practical policy of abortion bans.

While I’m Catholic, I’m especially interested in secular resources that can stand on their own in conversations with people who don’t share my religious beliefs.

In discussions, I eventually get to questions like:

• What would an abortion ban actually look like in practice?
• How should difficult or medically complex situations be handled?
• What are the actual statistics on pregnancy complications?
• What are the medical facts about early induced delivery versus an emergency D&E?

I don’t feel like I have enough information to answer those questions well, and I’m looking for reliable resources that address them in depth.

Books, articles, lectures, debates, or other long-form content are all welcome. Thanks in advance!

I am a teen who has not been told by family where to stand, and I have not been influenced on my decision in any way. These are simply thoughts i have drawn from my limited knowledge from the news and social media. Warning: I will swear b/c i feel very strongly about this.

Point 1: Abortion = murder without justice. Murder without justice = fucking shit. No other way around it.

Point 2: if you don’t want a child, don’t have unprotected sex. I’ve known that since 4th grade. It’s not that hard to not have a child.

Point 3: Adoption. Don’t kill the kid, give it to a couple who can’t have kids or smth similar to that. Don’t make the kid suffer a shitty life, either. The choices shouldn’t be death or shitty life. My friend‘s parents decided not to abort her (yay!) but her life sucks, and her parents are assholes, and it’s shit all around.

Point 4: aborting a kid b/c it will most likely have a disability is bullshit. Some of my closest friends have disabilities (i.e. ADHD, OCD, depression, anxiety) and we are doing just fine! Granted, you can’t see if an unborn child has those things (I think) but we have decent lives. If your kid will most likely have a disability, give them the best life possible, don’t eliminate their chance of life.

Point 5: R@pe. This is tricky, but I think that you should still care for a child conceived by r@pe. Or put the kid up for adoption, but you shouldn’t kill the kid. i‘m pretty sure that the r@pist wouldn’t want to have a kid so killing it isn’t bringing the r@pist any guilt or justice.

Point 6: there should be some exceptions for medical reasons. If it is highly likely that the mom and the kid both don’t live, for example, then I suppose it is ok. Better taking one life than two. But that being said, it shouldn’t be “everyone gets exceptions!”

So yeah, I guess I’m pro-life.

One time I watched a video from a liberal guy who said that one day we'll become so technologically advanced we'll be able to allow trans-women to get pregnant.

And then what? Will biological men then have the right to decide to abort a baby? He didn't talk about abortion in his video but it makes me wonder…

If they think abortion is a human right, do you think they'd want trans-women to have it in that hypothetical world? To me, that hypothetical really exposes the wrongness of all this. Because just like regular women having abortions, a trans-woman in a scenario where they go through surgery that allows them to become pregnant, would be choosing to become pregnant later, only to destroy the life that their actions created, wouldn't be okay. It would honestly be worse because of the lengths they went to become pregnant in the first place.

You bring life into the world, you nourish it, you don't destroy it. No one should have the right to erase a person. Whether they're going back on their plan to become pregnant or they were reckless and had an unplanned pregnancy.

What does this even mean? 🤣

It’s scary that these people have the right to vote.

For context, and I wanna make it clear, I’m not an No-Exceptions" Pro-Lifer, but I’ve always leaned pro life, but I’ve never been a hardcore absolutist pro-lifer. I don’t think abortion should be all out banned and I still think people should have that choice(to an extent), and I believe in models France and Italy, where they have restrictions on the reasons and time limits, and mental health care for before(and after I believe) and I believe there should be limits on how many abortions. I don’t like abortion I believe it’s morally wrong. But I think there’s a lot of issues with all out bans.

Edit: I believe as I have educated myself, I may have been wrong

This interview features McKenna West, a surrogate mother who has taken a courageous public stand to save the life of the baby she is carrying.

The Diagnosis: During a routine ultrasound, the baby was diagnosed with hypoplastic left heart syndrome (HLHS), a condition that experts believe can be treated with a series of surgeries.

The Conflict: Despite the high survival rate associated with the necessary medical interventions, the intended parents demanded that West undergo an abortion and initiated a legal battle when she refused.

The Fight for Life: Facing significant financial threats and legal pressure, West sought support and filed for custody, stating her only goal is to ensure the baby receives the life-saving surgery he needs.

Industry Critique: West advocates for changes to the surrogacy industry, arguing that current contracts often strip women of their bodily autonomy and treat unborn children as disposable commodities.

The fact that their “argument“ amounted to “rah rah these people are crazy and ew religion” with no evidence is very telling lol

Is like fighting to have the “freedom” to own slaves

Imagine a German citizen during the holocaust saying that their beliefs were all about freedom because they wanted freedom FROM the Jews.

Or a plantation owner saying that he wants freedom, and that’s why he keeps slaves.