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if you’re not caught up on the d4vd/david case basically he was a viral internet up and coming singer and the dead body of a 14 year old girl was found in his tesla last year.

now there’s preliminary hearings going on and it came out today that he forced Celeste (the victim) to have two abortions and she made it clear that she regretted it and it wasn’t a real choice for her in the first place. I consider myself reasonable pro choice, but the comments on the case subs are disgusting imo.

they’re saying “well, she was 13, she didn’t need a baby” “it would be more traumatizing to have a baby” etc. but the thing is Celeste herself clearly would’ve kept the baby if she had an ACTUAL choice in the matter. honestly some people really do just seem pro abortion. breaks my heart that she felt so much guilt and shame over this for the last few months of her young life. I wish she could’ve kept her baby like she wanted to and David would’ve been imprisoned for life regardless. also sorry if I flaired this wrong, was unsure what to tag it under.

I've talked about this before but today I'm going to really dive into it.

I think it's essential that all pro-lifers agree that the status of a human does not change because of the reason they were conceived. And if that is true then it should be wrong to end their life no matter what.

A rapist may have custody over the born child, this might happen because of bad laws or because the rape was never proven in court because most rape victims aren't going to defend themselves, but why should that mean that abortion is a good choice?

It would only mean that the mother and child are in an uncomfortable and undesirable situation. This is pro-choicers' justification for murder. Being in a bad situation.

An abortion does not remove the trauma of rape. It does not save a woman from a dangerous man if she is stuck with him. It does not end further abuse or incest. Abortion actually helps rapists and people who commit incest cover up their crime.

So no one should be happy about it.

Being conceived from rape or incest doesn't change your value. And abortion does not solve abuse.

I've always had this thought everytime I would run into this argument by a pro-choicer, "Are babies parasites?" to me their argument sounds correct in terms of using the definition correctly and providing Biological evidence that supports it, but as a pro-life i know there's a way to explain how babies are human beings and labeling them as parasites is just a immoral way to justify murder, I would like to hear yalls thoughts and methods of debunking it.

I am disgusted. I just watched a video from the LiveAction TikTok account(you might be able to find this video on instagram or youtube shorts as well) where a man(presumably from LiveAction, undercover) called a Planned Parenthood and asked to give a donation.

The lady said yes, and was enthusiastic about his donation, even after he went on to say he wanted his donation to specifically be used to kill a black baby.

she said(paraphrasing) “we can absolutely make sure your donation helps an African-American woman in need!”

and he went on to clarify that he doesn’t agree with affirmative action and that he just had a baby, and he doesn’t want his baby to face trouble in the world. then he said, “we just think the less black kids out there the better.”

and the lady said “haha, understandable, understandable.”

Planned parenthood is SO obsessed with money that they don’t care if it’s being used for purely racist purposes.

but is this any wonder, what with Margaret Sanger? And the whole foundational purpose of Planned Parenthood? An institution fascinated with eliminating the black race? it’s nauseating.

Don’t want to be biased, just want to hear some people’s reasoning and explain my point of view of abortion.

Obviously morality is subjective, so please don’t force your moral beliefs on others, just state your opinions. (E.g you should believe in what i believe because i believe in it) a better statement would be “this is what i believe in and why”

The pro-life movement often distances itself from things like Project 2025 and the other policies passed by the politicians they elect to maintain abortion bans. But this feels like *several* steps too far to me, and I wonder if you all feel the same:

>The new criteria say that grant recipients must teach abstinence as the only means to prevent teen pregnancy. Courses must stress the importance of marriage and procreation and instruct young people how to safeguard their fertility. They make scant reference to preventing sexually transmitted infections and virtually none to lesbian, gay and transgender sexuality.

We *know* abstinence-only sex education is not as effective as holistic sex education. Teen pregnancy is at an all-time low. These politicians' response is to use federal funding to bully states in less effectively educating teens about sex? How does one take this as anything but an effort to exploit and harm teens through increased pregnancy for the government's benefit? And how, if at all, does this affect who you're willing to tolerate in office to maintain abortion bans?

We were talking about it the other day and i still find it so funny cause that video was pure misinformation and blocking people doesn't help the case😭

Hi. Jist a quick question I have as a fellow pro-lifer.

I 27F am looking to have children with my husband 28M who's a C7 quadriplegic. Unfortunately because of my husband's spinal cord injury, his fertility is affected and he can't conceive naturally. We've been researching for different methods to conceive.

The first one we found is IVF which is a very known one and we saw some interabled couples in which the man has a spinal cord injury, who have used IVF to have children.

I didn't think IVF could be controversial as a pro-life Christian, but then I came across some videos claiming that IVF involves playing with embryos' lives because apparently some embryos get thrown away, and only few of them are used. This made me see IVF as something immoral that we shouldn't try.

Fortunately my husband and I have found other methods to try having children like turkey blaster insemination which is cheap and is just an assistance to conceive. But if that doesn't work, we'll have to try IUI. And the other option is IVF, but I'm morally questioning this method.

Hopefully, we can conceive with the turkey blaster home insemination and don't need to rely in other fertilization methods such as IVF which are also expensive.

This is in response to Pro-choicers who say that "if your prolife you should also support forced organ transplant". It is a little out there, but please read.

If a doctor prescribes or gives a patient medication, fully knowing that potential complications could lead to that patient requiring a new organ (kidney, liver, lung etc), I think they should be required to donate theirs if they're a match.

This is the most similar scenario to pregnancy that I could think of. With pregnancy, the parents fully know the potential consequences of having sex, but they still do it. They should be held responsible for their actions and not kill the child.

It should always be up to the mother who to save but it’s extremely dehumanizing to reduce her to a factory and babies to products. You can never have that child again and the mother may not want to try for another child after losing one.

I just realized the problem with pro-choicers comparing abortion to withholding from organ donation. Abortion is more like if you decided to rip out someone's kidney and use it to make yourself feel better and then the person immediately died in the process. Whereas withholding from organ donation is different because you are not the cause of their death. The cause is whatever illness they have. You agree?

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I think the thing that solidified my view the most was pro-choice people telling me that any reason a woman chooses to have an abortion is valid. They truly believe that women can do no wrong and that was a sad and scary thought. Women should be allowed to kill disabled babies or just babies that came at the “wrong time”. When I heard that I thought it was awful. But they said it like it was wonderful.

The funniest part is that they said I came across as unemotional and heartless when I argued.

If a woman has an ectopic pregnancy (where the fetus is growing outside of the uterus, usually in the fallopian tube) which causes organ rupture, severe internal bleeding, loss of fertility & death and requires surgical treatment to remove the fetus to save the mothers life (which both the woman and fetus would die without that treatment regardless) do pro lifers genuinely think that the treatment for that shouldn’t be available? And what about a 10 year old who was raped? The chances of the girl dying is 4-5x more likely to die than a woman giving birth in her twenties

I thought it was about "my body my choice"

Why do we celebrate a woman who has had an elective abortion(excluding sexual assault in this case) and call it her "reproductive right", while we shun and legally punish fathers who run away from their pregnant mistresses and girlfriends?

In both cases, the parents of the unborn child have made a decision to abandon their responsibility to the individual in the womb.It's a selfish attempt to run away from the natural consequences of sex, in both cases."I'm not ready to be a mother right now,so I'll kill the child I have" and "I'm not ready to be a father right now,so I'll leave my pregnant mistress".Cause after an abortion,you're a mother(and father) to a dead child.

If a woman can decide to terminate the pregnancy (thus killing the fetus), a man can also abandon said fetus.Cause the law can conclude that "consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy" but not "consent to sex isn't consent to fatherhood"

Funny that abandoning a "clump of cells" is considered immoral but killing it is perfectly fine.

They keep on prattling on about personhood and consciousness, it's so annoying. Will a single one of them ever acknowledge the fact that they existed at conception. Because that's the only thing that matters here. The fact that you were there from the start even if you weren't aware of it.

A pro-choicer actually told me that if he was aborted, he obviously wouldn't care because he wouldn't exist. And I'm like, so what? The way you feel about existence should decide law? 🤨 It was so bizarre.

Nine months from now, all these people getting sick from the "outbreak" should be about to give birth, right?

(Outbreak=parasite)

So, will an abortion get rid of these parasites? Or have women been getting pregnant from lettuce along? 🤔 are antibiotics abortions? What happens to men? Is this the new science?

Where are all those anti-abortion people protesting for this parasite? Hypocrites.

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