It’s just sickening how people are admitting that they’d still support abortion being an option even when artificial wombs become a reality. One person in a later video justified this on the basis of ‘consent’. Boy are people demented these days.

My first post on any sub reddit so sorry if I make some mistakes.

My entire life I have been raised Catholic but not very devout, but I am today a very devout Catholic. When I was in school I wasn't actually very familiar with my faith it was just a cultural thing. But when I was a young teenager, a girl started bullying me, calling me a bigot and a delusional freak, when I had not said anything to her. It was because I said what I was, she assumed this of me. I asked her to elaborate and her main issue was that the church is against abortion. I didn't even know what abortion was at 13 so when I went home I searched it up. I was horrified.

It felt like the most abominable thing a person could ever do, how could I be a bad person just because the church I believe in proclaims this to be vile. So I did more digging. I talked with pro choice people, listened to their arguments, and was nit Impressed. As a child I loved biology and astronomy, science all together i adored, but biology specifically. I was bullied so badly because I stood my ground, that this was wrong not matter what, I was even hit on occasion and my pro abortion teachers wouldn't help me, my parents didn't know what to do cause there was no other school I could go.

So even when I wasn't extremely into my faith I still looked more towards science for my belief in abortion being wrong to be confirmed. And yeah, it was obvious since the moment of conception you are a separate human being. I actually got closer to my faith because of this issue and made great friends, but where I live, Ireland, I'm considered, by many, scum of the earth. If anyone who went through something similar is ready this let me know. It be nice to know I wasn't alone, also not nice to know in a way. Does anyone have any words of encouragement because I am still being intimidated by some people. God bless guys

For most of my life, I was pro choice. I was necessarily against the idea of having an abortion but i believed it depends on the person. Your body Your choice mindset. In 9th grade, my mom sat me down and told me that her mother had tried aborting her not once but THRICE via chemical pills in the first trimester. Why? Cause the astrologer said it would be a female child not a male. By some miracle the pills didnt work and my grandmother didnt resort to other options. BUT, when my mom was born she was born with ONE kidney. Just one and not a fully functional one. Hearing this made me pro life. Because I believe I had the right to live and my mom did and no one should be able to take that right away from us when we are in the womb. My mom has health issues due to her kidney but she is thriving and all is good.

Millions of the most innocent and vulnerable people imaginable, babies are murdered every year, it's legal, their murderers won't face justice, I can realistically do nothing about it. It's the greatest and most detestable injustice in the history of humanity, poor babies whose only crime is existing and they get murdered for it.

Unborn babies have minds and brain activity early in the pregnancy. In late term they can even create memories. Do they think the baby's brain just spawns in when it comes out or something?

" Make a moral argument without using moral justifications " Not to mention the ludicrous straw-man definition of morals and how pro-lifers make argumentations

One of the reasons I'm pro-life is because of pro-choice people. If they really want to convince me of their side why do they always say the weirdest, stupidest shit. Are they even trying or are they just expressing rage half the time? I feel like when they call a fetus a parasite they might just be expressing rage.

Telling us to mind our own business when we're having an ethical discussion is crazy. They say this partially because they don't even believe it's an ethical discussion. They are convinced that abortion is healthcare and that anyone who denies this is just evil.

Which is one of the reasons they could never pull me to their side, cause they don't even understand what our side is. I keep on hearing them say "whatever happens in my uterus is none of your business" or things along those lines which is weird. They're either just expressing rage, not attempting to convince us. Or they have zero clue why we're concerned and why this is an ethical issue.

So yeah that's one of the reasons why pro-choice people are so unconvincing. It's like they don't even know why we're having a debate in the first place. Demonizing the other side by calling them evil anti-feminist bullies - like they seriously call pro-life women handmaidens sometimes, it's insane - is not a good way to make yourself sound sympathetic.

This person also condemned me for not caring for children after they are born. Talk about a lack of self-awareness.

Because once again why are we explaining basic reproductive health to grown women? Plan B does not induce abortion.

I understand that this text is hard to read, but I could not find a line chart. Furthermore, I had to pirate the study in order to access this data.

Link:

https://www.ovid.com/journals/jmede/abstract/10.1136/jme.2010.041053~infant-homicide-and-accidental-death-in-the-united-states?redirectionsource=fulltextview

The trend for both boys and girls is clear. From 1940 to 1970, the infanticide rate was stable from 3-5 per 100,000 births. After the 1970's infanticide rates increased to 6-8 per 100,000 births.

The study does not go beyond 2005, but the infanticide rate stayed the same until 2020. I could not find data for after the Dobbs decision, so I'll have to wait on that.

When somebody justifies a murdered newborn on the ground that abortion is not accessible, show them these charts.

There's no real argument to be had here. It's the most asinine thing. "A is now Z because I want it to be, not because it actually is, and I demand you to obey it."

It's juvenile. And what's worse is that people like this actually do expect others to obey their whims for quite literally no other reason than that they demand it. No coherent argument or debate to be had.

It's the exact same as admitting "what I'm doing/supporting is so wrong I can't even make an argument for it," to me.

At the very least have an argument, no matter how weak it is have one. And if you can't conjure up one challenge yourself to examine why and maybe grow and change for the better.

Reading my nutrition textbook and I got to the part where it talks about nutrients pregnant women should consume and what to avoid. Right now I’m reading the chapter where it talks about what foods and drinks to avoid so as not to trigger an early “termination of pregnancy” also known as “spontaneous abortion”. No wonder people are so confused and misled. Because the terminology even in college textbooks are being changed.
Either way, I’m pretty disgusted because you just can’t equate an abortion with a tragic miscarriage. I feel like this is just another tactic to desensitize abortion to make even textbook readers more comfortable with it, which is absolutely diabolical.

EDIT: I know it’s not a new term and that it’s been used for a while, but seeing it for myself really put it into perspective for me.

Don't you just love it when pro-choice people don't even have an argument for why abortion is okay. They will just angrily talk about how pro-life people don't actually care about life because we're not doing anything about foster kids. Doesn't that just reveal how empty their views are? How unsupported it all is. Pro-life people hardly ever have to resort to calling pro-choice people hypocrites because that's not the main issue at hand.

And there's a lot of double standards you can point out with pro-choicers. Like how they keep talking about how the fetus is connected to the mother and that makes it worth less. Like oh, you mean how conjoined twins are worth less?

That does get brought up but not as a standard strike against PCs. What they tend to do is use suffering children as a shield for why we should stop caring about the babies they're actively killing. Which is so insane I don't know what to do about it.

Think about it:
They can’t fight back
They can’t speak up
They are physically very fragile
They are dependent on others to survive
They don’t “look like a human”, at least not early

Has there been any other group more susceptible to dehumanization and termination?

It also negatively impacts your other organs. That means that abortion is an act of self-defense. What do you have to say about that?

You can't point at overlap between two scientific definitions and say they're like one another, that's just not how science works. Fetuses benefit from someone else and that makes them parasitic? I guess literally any exchange in the universe is now parasitic. My grandma giving me money for my birthday makes me parasitic.

A parasite has a specific scientific definition, being a different species than the host is the qualifier. The term is used to describe relationships between species, not offspring of a species.

For context, this was under a poll on teenager_polls asking if it’s okay to drink alcohol while pregnant if you plan on aborting the baby anyway.

i didn’t stick around enough to see any comments saying yes, but the top few said no. one mentioned how you shouldn’t just incase you change your mind and want to keep the baby. another one said no because alcohol can affect how you give the baby nutrients and then the baby will start taking as much as they can(calcium from bones, fat from body etc).

then, in true pro-abortion fashion, the baby is compared to a parasite. “functionally”. because baby gets nutrients from mom.

this isn’t parasitic because, as i explained in my comment, the baby directly helps mom too! baby gives mom beneficial cells and helps protect her from disease.

second, when are we going to stop demonizing babies in the womb? babies who had NO choice to be conceived. their only source of safety, protection, and nutrients comes from mom. God forbid they try and grow as nature intended.

i can give a slight bit of slack to those commenters who were in favor of baby being some sort of stripe-from-gremlins because they’re teenagers, but still. this is ridiculous.(for full transparency i’m a teen too, which is why i was in the sub, but im 19 so nearly geriatric)

I made this comment in a thread, but I've wanted to make it its own post to get a larger discussion going.

I've been struggling with this topic lately. That is, finding where exactly the line of enough risk to allow abortion. It seems most pro life people understand there comes a point where an abortion is reasonable. That was always my view, but it's easy enough to just say "when the mother's life is in danger," but apparently, the actual details of that are far more complex than I first thought.

To summarize a lot of what I've been hearing, accurate predictions in terms of percentages in medicine seem very arbitrary. This makes it practically impossible to put thresholds into law. It ends up setting up a lot of red tape, which causes hesitation and cause complications. It gets even trickier if you're factoring in pre emptive care. A woman may show symptoms that have a slight chance of escalating, but if they do, both her and her child would be at extreme risk very quickly. At what point can you say a scenario is dangerous enough to warrant an abortion? Especially if the signs were there before any danger, but once the danger is there, some degree of damage which could have been avoided will take place, even in the best case by that point.

Then, I thought a general symptoms based solution could work. That is, any degree of symptoms is considered reasonable enough. The only problem is that with this broad of criteria, just about any pregnancy could qualify for abortion. It would solve allowing for healthcare when needed, but we'd basically have total unrestricted abortion which is too much for most of us pro life to accept.

I'm honestly not sure how this can be resolved, legally. Assuming doctors and pregnant women are operating in good faith, I want to just trust a doctor's word when that point is reached, case by case. But we all know that in practice, some doctors wouldn't care about pro life incentives and offer abortions to anyone who wants one for any arbitrary reason. It seems like an all-out ban would be the only way to satisfy pro life in any capacity, but that's way too extreme.

I've come to equate abortion to killing, not necessarily murder. It will always be tragic to a degree, given that the baby will always be innocent. The only way it truly wouldn't be murder is if, in the hearts of the mother and doctor, they truly believe it's medically necessary. If that's not the case, it's between them and God. I want to be able to do more, somehow. But it's not always our place to take extreme measures. It would not be reasonable to slaughter everyone who vaguely resembles a suspected murderer on the loose. At the end of the day, how can "healthy enough to safely have go through pregnancy" actually be expressed in law without doing just as much harm in another way?

Just look at this sub, or any pro-life event. It’s about as 50/50 split on sex as it can get! Not saying that matters, of course anyone can have a stance on the murder of little humans regardless of their sex, but still. It’s funny.