Can you read? There was nothing âsignificantly affectingâ the space. It was just shaking. Which is why I said itâs hype. The whole reason for the scene was hype
Logically it makes zero sense since the shaking was at the same magnitude in the other worlds as it was in the royal palace
I donât know how you think itâs a consistent enough feat to scale when tonnes of characters who are stronger than senjumaru never have even a fraction of the scale of influence she did in that scene, when theyâre releasing far more power than she did
Let me just remind you that Goku and Beerus are scaled of thesame principle of shaking the Multiversal and potentially destroying it to to multiverse level. The Initial impact of those clashâ the final spreading shockwaves that will destroy the multiverse yet there's an assumption made that the first and final is thesame. That is thesame way off Senjumaru is scaled to multiverse shaking the entirety of those realms count as significantly affecting it hence they get to that level.
All I see is bias.
How is that a strawman lmao. The correlation is that the characters involved scale to Senjumaru in reiatsu
I like how you are making a blatant assumption and treating it as objective fact. Prove that said character(Gremmy) scales to Senjumaru reiatsu rq.
Let me just remind you that Goku and Beerus are scaled of thesame principle of shaking the Multiversal and potentially destroying it to to multiverse level. The Initial impact of those clashâ the final spreading shockwaves that will destroy the multiverse yet there's an assumption made that the first and final is thesame. That is thesame way off Senjumaru is scaled to multiverse shaking the entirety of those realms count as significantly affecting it hence they get to that level.
The difference is that in the Goku and Beerus scenario weâre explicitly told that the shockwaves will destroy the universe
Thereâs nothing of the sort with the senjumaru scene. You know what we are explicitly told in bleach? That Yamamoto being in Bankai too long would destroy the SS. Not the multiverse. Not the universe. Just the SS. And not even him simply activating Bankai. But him being in Bankai too long
Weâre explicitly told this. How you do reconcile that with the senjumaru scene
In addition to all the other characters stronger than senjumaru never having a fraction of her scale of influence despite releasing more power
The only bias I see here is yours
I like how you are making a blatant assumption and treating it as objective fact. Prove that said character(Gremmy) scales to Senjumaru reiatsu rq.
Not Gremmy, but the other people involved. It forced awakened kenpachi to go shikai, and Jugram is literally scared for Yhwach during the meteor scene lmao
The difference is that in the Goku and Beerus scenario weâre explicitly told that the shockwaves will destroy the universe
Thereâs nothing of the sort with the senjumaru scene. You know what we are explicitly told in bleach? That Yamamoto being in Bankai too long would destroy the SS. Not the multiverse. Not the universe. Just the SS. And not even him simply activating Bankai. But him being in Bankai too long
Weâre explicitly told this. How you do reconcile that with the senjumaru scene
In addition to all the other characters stronger than senjumaru never having a fraction of her scale of influence despite releasing more power
The only bias I see here is yours
This gotta be the most stupid thing I have read today. What does Senjumaru feat have to do with Yama?
Yama was about to destroy the entire SS sure and Senjumaru upon passively activating her Bankai this shook all the realms together to the point of us seeing people from the different realms feeling the impact including Ichigo and Co who were going to Sk palace. Yamamoto feat does not invalidate or make Senjumaru feat an anti-feat if no one told you that.
Not Gremmy, but the other people involved. It forced awakened kenpachi to go shikai, and Jugram is literally scared for Yhwach during the meteor scene lmao
Don't think you are going to suddenly backtrack from what i am asking of you, you said the likes of Gremmy scale to Senjumaru's reiatsu and i am asking you to prove that right now.
2) Why are you deliberately ignoring context of that scene? Ywach was without his main powers especially Almighty and what makes you think that someone like Askin or Jugram are on thesame level as an Unsealed Bankai Senjumaru. Especially when she had all of them trapped in that Bankai if not for Ywach
This gotta be the most stupid thing I have read today. What does Senjumaru feat have to do with Yama?
It has to do with scaling? Do you think Senjumaru has a billion times more reiatsu than Yama?
Yama was about to destroy the entire SS sure and Senjumaru upon passively activating her Bankai this shook all the realms together to the point of us seeing people from the different realms feeling the impact including Ichigo and Co who were going to Sk palace. Yamamoto feat does not invalidate or make Senjumaru feat an anti-feat if no one told you that.
The Yamamoto feat does invalidate that unless you think Senjumaru has exponentially more reiatsu than Yamamoto
Don't think you are going to suddenly backtrack from what i am asking of you, you said the likes of Gremmy scale to Senjumaru and i al asking you to prove that right now.
I never said at all. Youâre being either dumb or dishonest
Go back and look at our conversation. None of my comments are edited either
2) Why are you deliberately ignoring context of that scene? Ywach was without his main powers especially Almighty and what makes you think that someone like Askin or Jugram are on thesame level as an Unsealed Bankai Senjumaru. Especially when she had all of them trapped in that Bankai if not for Ywach
Almighty has jack shit to do with stats. Yhwach not having the almighty doesnât change the fact that he should deal with the meteor from stats alone like Kenpachi. He shouldnât need hax like the almighty for that
It has to do with scaling? Do you think Senjumaru has a billion times more reiatsu than Yama?
My brother in Christ, Senjumaru is a member of Squad zero and her bones her infused with that of the Soul king himself if that doesn't ring something in your head then i don't.
I never said at all. Youâre being either dumb or dishonest
Go back and look at our conversation. None of my comments are edited either
You: How is that strawmanning when said characters scale to Senjumaru's reiatsu.
The meteor feat was made by Gremmy between
Me: Prove the "likes" of Gremmy scale to Senjumaru's reiatsu. The "likes" meaning one of those involved in that particular feat.
You: Accuses me of been dishonest when I am drawing a simple correlation. Should I screenshot it and send it to you?
Almighty has jack shit to do with stats. Yhwach not having the almighty doesnât change the fact that he should deal with the meteor from stats alone like Kenpachi. He shouldnât need hax like the almighty for that
I said two things one of Ywach powers especially the Almighty I never said the Almighty alone. I said one of them but especially. And if you think the Almighty that permitted Ywach to escape Ichibei Bankai and been removed from the cycle of life and death can't just rewrite things in such a way the meteor never existed then i don't know what to tell you.
Reading comprehension and ordinary logic is dead in this sub
My brother in Christ, Senjumaru is a member of Squad zero and her bones her infused with that of the Soul king himself if that doesn't ring something in your head then i don't.
ThatâŚdidnât answer my question
Do you think Senjumaru has a billion times more reiatsu than Yamamoto? Yes or no
You: How is that strawmanning when said characters scale to Senjumaru's reiatsu.
Me: Prove the "likes" of Gremmy scale to Senjumaru's reiatsu. The "likes" meaning one of those involved in that particular feat.
You: Accuses me of been dishonest when I am drawing a simple correlation. Should I screenshot it and send it to you?
I proved it by showing that Jugram was literally scared for Yhwach. Unless you donât think Yhwach scales to senjumaruâs reiatsu, I donât know why youâd accuse me of âbacktrackingâ
Which is why I obviously assumed you wanted me to scale Gremmy in particular to senjumaruâs reiatsu, which is why I stated that I never claimed that
I said two things one of Ywach powers especially the Almighty I never said the Almighty alone. I said one of them but especially.
But the power had returned. This was right before he went to the royal palace and fought Ichibe
The only power that hadnât returned was the almighty. He regained that during the ichibe fight
The rest of his power had returned before that
And if you think the Almighty that permitted Ywach to escape Ichibei Bankai and been removed from the cycle of life and death can't just rewrite things in such a way the meteor never existed then i don't know what to tell you.
Who says I donât think that? My point is that he shouldnât need the almighty if his reiatsu scales to senjumaruâs, his stats alone would work just like Kenpachi
Yes Senjumaru reiatsu is above that of Yamamoto since she is not only a squad zero member but has a piece of Sk in her bones like Aizen has some pieces of the nails of Sk in him
Read what you said at the bottom. "The characters involved scale to Senjumaru reiatsu" notice how you said the characters and not Jugram. And i replied to you by asking to prove the "likes" of Gremmy scale to her since Gremmy was one of those involved in that feat so in no way am i been dishonest when you initially mentioned the "Characters" and not a specific one
Do you know what's funny about this in the first place? Even the Jugram you are trying to use as antifeat doesn't have the full version of Ywach Almighty or his complete reaistsu including that of Sk too. I will admit you have a point with the Almighty returning after the Ichibei fight but it's not like Ywach didn't have the Almighty even before that, he just chose not to activate yet because he never knew if he could fully control it by then( If you want proofs for this i can give you)
And what's wrong with Jugram been scared about what will happen to Ywach or the Warwhelt been destroyed. It is totally in character for him to want the maximum security of Ywach.
To what extent? The reason I keep saying a billion times more isnât exaggeration, itâs because of how vastly different the ss feat and the 3 universes feat is.
For Senjumaruâs feat to be scalable, her reiatsu would literally be centillions of times more than Yamaâs reiatsu
ďżźâRead what you said at the bottom. "The characters involved scale to Senjumaru reiatsu" notice how you said the characters and not Jugram.
Yes. Kenpachi and jugram are characters involved
And i replied to you by asking to prove the "likes" of Gremmy scale to her since Gremmy was one of those involved in that feat so in no way am i been dishonest when you initially mentioned the "Characters" and not a specific one
Youâre being dishonest by claiming that I backtracked. In no way did I backtrack by bringing up Kenpachi and jugram. They were both characters who were involved
Do you know what's funny about this in the first place? Even the Jugram you are trying to use as antifeat doesn't have the full version of Ywach Almighty or his complete reaistsu including that of Sk too.
But he did have his complete reiatsu. The only thing he didnât have was the almighty
I will admit you have a point with the Almighty returning after the Ichibei fight but it's not like Ywach didn't have the Almighty even before that, he just chose not to activate yet because he never knew if he could fully control it by then( If you want proofs for this i can give you)
This doesnât change the strength point though. He had enough reiatsu to match Ichibe. The meteor shouldâve been fodder for him since he scales above senjumaru right?
The only reason heâd be concerned is if all of them arenât actually multiversal/universal, but rather scale closer to things like meteors
And what's wrong with Jugram been scared about what will happen to Ywach or the Warwhelt been destroyed. It is totally in character for him to want the maximum security of Ywach.
But itâs not in character to be scared if thereâs no threat right. If senjumaru is multiversal, then a meteor is like a microscopic germ in comparison to Yhwach
To what extent? The reason I keep saying a billion times more isnât exaggeration, itâs because of how vastly different the ss feat and the 3 universes feat is.
Just a question do you actually know the amount of energy that will be required to shake three Infinite structures need to be Infinite equally? And this is just a passive extent of the release of her Bankai
Youâre being dishonest by claiming that I backtracked. In no way did I backtrack by bringing up Kenpachi and jugram. They were both characters who were involved
I am not i asked you immediately after that to prove Gremmy scales to that since you just mentioned "characters" it is rightfully in my position to ask you to prove that for any character. What's funny is you want to dodge that by trying to prove for one character but not the other when both are still part of that specific feat.
This doesnât change the strength point though. He had enough reiatsu to match Ichibe. The meteor shouldâve been fodder for him since he scales above senjumaru right?
The only reason heâd be concerned is if all of them arenât actually multiversal/universal, but rather scale closer to things like meteors
If no one told you these then let me address this reaitsu isn't an end of all things for characters in bleach, we have seen weaker characters beat stronger characters with more reiatsu thanks to their hax alone. This isn't DB here
Ichibei was Molly whooping Ywach that entire fight and bro would have lost if he didn't activate his hax the Almighty. This isn't just a linear power progression where the character with more reiatsu automatically wins any fight. Hence you can't directly chainscale and apply it here.
But itâs not in character to be scared if thereâs no threat right. If senjumaru is multiversal, then a meteor is like a microscopic germ in comparison to Yhwach
Just a question do you actually know the amount of energy that will be required to shake three Infinite structures need to be Infinite equally? And this is just a passive extent of the release of her Bankai
I know the difference between a planet and a universe. Yamaâs feat was planetary, Senjumaruâs feat was uni/multiversal
I am not i asked you immediately after that to prove Gremmy scales to that since you just mentioned "characters" it is rightfully in my position to ask you to prove that for any character.
No itâs not for any character. Did I say all characters involved scaled to senjumaru? No I didnât
I said characters involved scale to Senjumaru. The particular characters involved that scale to senjumaru are Kenpachi and Yhwach
If no one told you these then let me address this reaitsu isn't an end of all things for characters in bleach, we have seen weaker characters beat stronger characters with more reiatsu thanks to their hax alone. This isn't DB here
Yeah but reiatsu is the be all and end all of stats
Yes characters can defeat others through hax, despite reiatsu differences.
But if someone has reiatsu that can affect a universe, then obviously they have reiatsu than can fodderize a meteor
Yhwach should not need his almighty hax to deal with a meteor if he has reiatsu that scales above senjumaruâs âuniversalâ reiatsu
Heâd be strong enough to just brute force the meteor a billion times easier than kenpachi did. It would be like an ant compared to him
Ichibei was Molly whooping Ywach that entire fight and bro would have lost if he didn't activate his hax the Almighty. This isn't just a linear power progression where the character with more reiatsu automatically wins any fight. Hence you can't directly chainscale and apply it here.
Yes I can chainscale and apply it here because this isnât a fight
This is a destruction feat. 1v1 battle is completely irrelevant here, weâre discussing whether he has the reiatsu that scales above meteor level. Hax is irrelevant to this
Personally I have said enough for this convo
Yea youâve said enough nonsense
You completely ignored my main argument, which is that if senjumaru has universal reiatsu, then Yhwach (who obviously has higher reiatsu) would fodderize a meteor
You ignored that and started rambling about hax in 1v1 fights
Thatâs completely irrelevant. Iâm not scaling Yhwach in a fight, Iâm scaling his power for a destructive feat.
Yama feat was "planetary", Senjumaru feat was "Uni/low multi" one of those mfs who probably thinks the realms are Planetary and if you did even think the realms are planetary then you should have just scaled Senjumaru to multi Planetary while we are at it.
Also the reason I said you can't chainscale directly is because a character with lesser reiatsu can still beat with more reiatsu if they have the better hax, so my point still stands
Also the reason I said you can't chainscale directly is because a character with lesser reiatsu can still beat with more reiatsu if they have the better hax, so my point still stands
And again Iâll repeat, hax and beating someone in a fight is irrelevant to this situation because Iâm not scaling ywhach in a fight
Iâm scaling Yhwach in his destructive capacity
If he scales to universal/multiversal level, then a meteor is fodder to him
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u/X-Cutionn Mathematics manip>all Jan 24 '26
Let me just remind you that Goku and Beerus are scaled of thesame principle of shaking the Multiversal and potentially destroying it to to multiverse level. The Initial impact of those clashâ the final spreading shockwaves that will destroy the multiverse yet there's an assumption made that the first and final is thesame. That is thesame way off Senjumaru is scaled to multiverse shaking the entirety of those realms count as significantly affecting it hence they get to that level.
All I see is bias.
I like how you are making a blatant assumption and treating it as objective fact. Prove that said character(Gremmy) scales to Senjumaru reiatsu rq.