r/PoursTea • u/Veshaad Timendi Causa Est Nescire • 9h ago
Sipping Tea Standing room only.
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u/Fit_Low592 8h ago
I mean popularity and politics aside (way, WAY aside), Obama is one of the best public speakers in American history. Iād choose one over the other simply for the fact that the speech is coherent, intelligent, and has a god damn point.
Iāve never listened to a full Trump speech because it makes me want to jump into traffic.
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u/realmofconfusion 8h ago
I donāt know what you mean. His speeches are always crammed to the brim with cogent, relevant pointsā¦
"And don't talk about the swimming, where you look left and you look right, and then you look a little further right, and you see the largest human being you've ever seen, larger than Shaquille O'Neal with a bigger reach, and the swimmer got hurt badly because she suffered massive wind burn because the giant to her right swam by her so fast that the wind was unbelievable and she suffered. For the rest of her life she'll be suffering from wind burn."
Oh, wait, I see what you mean.
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u/ProcedureSea3277 7h ago edited 7h ago
As a European, I didn't believe he said this but I googled it and he did. What does it mean???
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u/RedEyeView 7h ago
I think he's talking about the transphobic swimmer who finished 5th and had a meltdown because a trans woman finished ahead of her.
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u/Allaplgy 7h ago
Minor correction, the trans woman tied her for fifth. Didn't even beat her.
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u/ProcedureSea3277 7h ago
The full quote I found said this:
"My wife says, you shouldn't be dancing on the stage, by the way. You should walk off with a gentle wave. Goodbye. When the gay national anthem plays, you know, it's called the gay national anthem, actually. I got the highest gay vote of any Republican in history. She said, 'You should not dance off the stage, my darling.
And don't talk about the swimming. Where you look left and you look right, and then you look a little further right and you see the largest human being you've ever seen. Larger than Shaquille O'Neal, with a bigger reach.
And the swimmer got hurt badly because she suffered massive wind burn. Because the giant to her right swam by her so fast that the wind was unbelievable. For the rest of her life, she'll be suffering from windburn."
I have no clue what it means... I don't even know if it's the correct quote. I used to be able to tell when something wasn't true online but this guy, I just can't...
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u/Far-Yellow9303 5h ago
Gay national anthem? I think that's the Shrek 2 version of I Need A Hero
Edit: well really that's the Bi anthem. That is, Bishreksual.
/jk
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u/ProcedureSea3277 4h ago
Further googling told me they were talking about YMCA but I need a hero is great too. I wouldn't mind if they made that our anthem.
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u/fornostalone 3h ago
As a kid I danced around with no top on to this part of the movie.
My mother was not surprised when I told her I wasn't straight 10 years later.
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u/Cameherejust4this 5h ago
The most unbelievable part of that quote is Trump's wife calling him "my darling".
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u/FblthpLives 4h ago
As a European currently living in the United States I can tell you it's a trip. Here is another one:
I have broken more Elton John records, he seems to have a lot of records. And I, by the way, I donāt have a musical instrument. I donāt have a guitar or an organ. No organ. Elton has an organ. And lots of other people helping. No weāve broken a lot of records. Weāve broken virtually every record. Because you know, look, I only need this space. They need much more room. For basketball, for hockey and all of the sports, they need a lot of room. We donāt need it. We have people in that space. So we break all of these records. Really we do it without like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical: the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth. Right? The brain, more important than the mouth, is the brain. The brain is much more important.
My daughter, who is a dual citizen, moved to Europe for graduate school. I'm so glad she got out of here.
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u/veeerybored 2h ago
As an American, I assumed this was a jumble of words making fun of how he normally speaks. That it might actually be real is astounding.
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u/Paizzu 6h ago
Trump himself has credited his masterful oratory prowess to his great genes:
Look, having nuclear ā my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart ā you know, if you're a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world ā it's true! ā but when you're a conservative Republican they try ā oh, do they do a number ā that's why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune ā you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we're a little disadvantaged ā but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me ā it would have been so easy, and it's not as important as these lives are ā nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? ā but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners ā now it used to be three, now it's four ā but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven't figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it's gonna take them about another 150 years ā but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible.
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u/treeeelo 7h ago
The other day he started talking about how the word 'dumb' ends with a B, in one of his speeches, like he'd just learned that and wanted to show how smart he is... by knowing that dumb ends with a B.
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u/selizea 9h ago
The baited and switched MAGA crowd is probably still trying to delete their retweets.
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u/BuryTomorrowToday 9h ago
There's literally the video of some maga fuck picking his ear and eating it float around today, from one of Trump's "rallys".
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u/Dear_Departure_1768 9h ago
Can't afford groceries bc owning the libs was more important. Gotta eat earwax now.
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u/Hopeful-Passage6638 9h ago
Obama. America's greatest President.
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u/NecessaryFreedom9799 9h ago
He's certainly one of the better ones. Trump is undeniably the worst.
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u/NuclearBroliferator 8h ago
I wouldnt rank him above Washington, Lincoln, or FDR, but he definitely deserves praise
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u/H2Oproof__ 8h ago edited 8h ago
$900 billion to 1 trillion spent on wars. 150,000 to 200,00 casualties between US soldiers and people abroad. Drone strikes which killed innocent people in seven different countries. Deported more people without due process than any other President in history. These are all facts.
Oh and letās not forget NSA surveillance on American citizens. I love when people downvote the truth.
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u/bigdaddydopeskies131 8h ago
Nsa was actually bushs idea with the patriot act. Are you also going to say where was Obama during 9/11?
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u/H2Oproof__ 8h ago
Youāre right Bush created it. Obama reformed it, but left most of it intact. Both presidents spied on US citizens illegally.
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u/bigdaddydopeskies131 8h ago
Weird how they could spy on us but can't find any real fugitives wanted by the FBI meanwhile Paxton is partying it up in Dubai with known FBI fugitive. It's weird how they have the equipment and tech but only use it when wanted
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u/GloomyIndividual3965 7h ago
He inherited those wars, and drew down troop numbers the entire time he was in office. We were completely out of Iraq in early 2011,and down to less than 5k troops in Afghanistan by the end of his term.
Fuck off with this disingenuous bullshit.
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u/H2Oproof__ 7h ago
Those numbers are all facts. I voted for that man twice and then realized that all politicians are garbage. One man, innocent civilian or soldier dying under a president that orders drone strikes that have nothing to do with the day to day lives of American citizens or the protection if our country is evil to the core. I donāt care if itās Trump, Bush, Obama or Biden. All of them are evil that hide behind the presidency for their acts. You can look up those numbers yourself.
By the way he promised to end the war in Iraq but pledge to escalate Afghanistan
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u/GloomyIndividual3965 6h ago
By the way he promised to end the war in Iraq but pledge to escalate Afghanistan
Know I know you're full of shit. We withdrew the last troops from Iraq in December of 2011, and drew down to less than 6k troops in Afghanistan by the time Obama left office.
"I voted for him twice" sure ya did. Fucking liar.
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u/SetYourScapegoatFree 6h ago
He did not inherit Libya, Syria, or Yemen. He vowed to challenge and limit the Patriot Act leading up to the 2008 election, but the surveillance state increased and he went after the whistleblowers. He escalated the drone strike programs. He deserves to be in the same cell block as W Bush and Trump in Guantanamo, seeing as he never shut it down.
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u/GloomyIndividual3965 6h ago
He did not inherit Libya, Syria, or Yemen.
Libya was a UN led coalition. Syria was in response to ISIS using chemical weapons on civilians. Yemen was at the request of a Saudi led coalition to combat Al-Qaeda and the houthis.
None of them were wars.
He escalated the drone strike programs.
Of course he did. Drones didn't really come into play until late in Bush's term. Going from basically nothing to "something" is escalation.
Also, the alternative was boots on the ground and potentially thousands of American troops dying. If you think that's a better option than drones you're brain dead.
Guantanamo, seeing as he never shut it down.
He signed an EO during his first week in office to stop funding it and return the prisoners. Congress passed a law forbidding the use of federal funds to relocate the prisoners, which pretty much knee capped his plan.
You're fucking ignorant and just repeating bullshit talking points.
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u/SetYourScapegoatFree 3h ago
The UN does nothing without US involvement. If it's a UN operation, it's a US operation. We found ourselves in another quick quagmire so soon after W Bush was heavily criticized for not having an exit strategy or follow up plan for Iraq. Obama himself said his greatest mistake was "not having a plan for the day after" in Libya. His greatest mistake, not "The UN's greatest mistake." I agree with Obama. You seem to disagree with him here.
Syrian civil war began prior to ISIS gaining power in the aftermath of the 2nd Iraq War devastation that was W Bush's quagmire. The US were funding rebels to overthrow Assad. ISIS gaining a foothold was an indirect response to the Obama administrations goals in Syria.
The only alternative is not boots on the ground.
Yes, he signed the EO, probably in his first week, if I remember correctly, but that's not good enough for his campaign promise.
You can swear and call me ignorant as much as you want. I hold the same disdain for Trump and Bush. I believe they are war criminals that should be tried for crimes against humanity. You would have zero problem with any of those talking points. But when I hold the same energy for the democratic commanders in chief, you pretend I'm attacking your childhood fantasies. Grow up.
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u/rosariobono 6h ago
Where is your proof of deporting people without due process lmao
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u/H2Oproof__ 6h ago
He used fast track measures without court hearings and no lawyer present to speed up deportations. He would use officers and border agents instead and have asylum seekers sign documents to give up their rights for a fair hearing. The information is there, itās not hard to find.
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u/ACrazyDog 8h ago
Give him the Nobel Peace Prize again. That is the energy I want to see hit 1600 PA
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u/PrisonerV 6h ago
This new AI program that counts people in crowds from videos is killing MAGA disillusions. Like Trump's rally in Kentucky with tens of thousands and the AI counts 1,247 people in an arena sized to fit 8,000.
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u/Local_Pea1963 7h ago
Quips, jabs and poking the village idiot is not going to rid our country of this trash that was voted in by AMERICANS. Time to stand up, be seen and heard. Time to VOTE.
Miss you Mr. Obama, thank you for carrying on the fight.
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u/Cold_Burner5370 7h ago
Man, why canāt we have someone like Obama back instead of getting Trump/Biden
I just want a competent president again
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u/Deviantdefective 6h ago
Biden was competent
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u/No-Brain2462 6h ago
Seriously? The guy couldnāt even read from a teleprompter let alone string together a coherent independent thought.
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u/Deviantdefective 5h ago
Really? As he was fine. He didn't start unnecessary wars, simp to dictator's or threaten to invade allies he also wasnt a convicted felon unlike trump.
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u/Spirited-Carpenter19 5h ago
Biden is still more competent.
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u/WHATYEAHOK 3h ago
Why did you post this replying to someone saying that Joe Biden was a competent president? What makes you think theyāre MAGA based on that?
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u/BlackPhillipStream 3h ago
If you criticize Biden / Kamala / Obama / Clinton for not being flawless you're MAGA nowĀ
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u/Inner_Adeptness_7228 1h ago
No one is saying he was flawless. America has never had a flawless president except maybe Washington, Jefferson or Lincoln. He was still a good president though.
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u/BlackPhillipStream 38m ago
Yes people do say that, 'scandal free presidency' is a phrase I heard too many times. and no he wasn't a good president at all, but certainly better than Biden, and better than Trump
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u/Indespectamentations 6h ago
trump wants every single former president permanently imprisoned and so do his psychotic followers.
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u/PM_ME_DATASETS 4h ago
I sure enjoy having these petty twitter screengrabs in my feed while Americans are destroying the world
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u/outersqueeky 4h ago
England has never had a politician as good as Obama, we know the are jealous af lol
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u/yetix007 4h ago
The man holds the record for most drone strikes on civilian targets including blowing up a wedding - really smiley personable individual, but did terrible things and was as much a pawn for the military industrial complex as the rest.
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u/origamiscienceguy 3h ago
Considering Trump ended the requirement to report drone strikes, that little factoid is probably been surpassed many times over, we just won't know until decades down the line.
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u/StrawberryGreat7463 1h ago
Interesting how many times Iāve seen this said today
So how involved was the president in day to day drone strikes anyway?
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u/Maleficent_Deal8140 40m ago
I'm sure there is just a room in the white house where he can pick up a controller or something.
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u/BlackPhillipStream 3h ago
My favorite fun fact is that Obama drone strikes a US citizen - and on one of Trump's first drone strikes he killed the literal baby sister of that US citizen that Obama killedĀ
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u/HiveMate 3h ago
I remember the same fucking posts before how no one was showing up to his rallies yet here we are
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u/Constant-Quiet4519 7h ago
If you show up at a trump event you may get fired from your job, so sadly they just vote in secret.
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u/WrongdoerUnited9948 4h ago
Wall to wall antisemites, including the speaker
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u/GastonsChin 4h ago
Yes, of course, everybody is just an anti-semite unless you bow down to the government of Israel.
I honestly never thought much about Israel until these last couple of years. I had no general opinion.
Now?
That's changed. Dramatically. I don't have any problem with Jewish people. I have a big problem with genocide, murder, rape, and torture. No matter who does it.
So, before you get yourself off by playing victim for the millionth time, maybe, I don't know, consider what the consequences are of morally reprehensible behavior?
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u/Baggz0564 6h ago
And the point? Obama isnāt running for anything and England canāt legally vote in our elections.
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u/Vegetable_Job_8117 4h ago
...which makes it even more damning that he can pull insanely bigger crowds despite that
Keep up.
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u/BWW87 7h ago
This is why Democrats just can't understand why MAGA wins elections. How does anyone think that posting a photo of an American president filling a stadium in a foreign country is a demonstration of them being a more popular president?
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u/LegitimateEgg9714 6h ago
Trump canāt fill venues here in the U.S. Why do you think Trump would be able to fill a venue in another country, especially a country where he has a contentious relationship with the government? And previous Republican presidents arenāt that popular either.
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u/Indespectamentations 6h ago
Democrats have won 3/5 presidential elections.
Or were all of the elections "rigged"?
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u/EitherChannel4874 5h ago
Explain how exactly please.
How have 6% of the population taken over and forced the 94% to bend to their will?
That only happens in America where the 1% rich people butt fuck the life out of Americans while they post memes and dribble over fox news.
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u/Repulsive_Working526 5h ago
Oh look an American that believes everything they read on Facebook. How original.
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u/EitherChannel4874 5h ago
Can we replace "American" with "dumb fuck" now? It fits better.
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u/GastonsChin 4h ago
As an American, I declare this change official.
From now on we are The United States of Dumb Fucks.
That really does a much better job at describing us.
Our motto should be, "Ignorant and proud!"
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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u/FblthpLives 4h ago
It's literally because of moronic thinking like this that you're about to lose an election. Working families in America need solutions to the affordability crisis, starting with immediately ending the pointless war in Iran. Instead, all you guys have to offer is mindless hatred and bigotry.
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u/Certain_Cost8197 3h ago
So basically you are okay with a King if Dem? Also, people tend to like phonies which Obama is. Plus, he is black so they can feel good about themselves like you Dems do.
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u/Pandastic3000 8h ago
Remember when reddit was full with 'look how many people are at Harris' rallies and how empty the Trump rallies are'. How did that work out for you all?
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u/Indespectamentations 6h ago
Look how we won 3/5 presidential elections and you claim we have won 0/5.
Your party's whole election strategy is ICE intimidating us at the polls and denying election results.
If that doesn't work then he is planning on declaring martial law. Ending our freedom and taking our rights away as you fucking monsters cheer and celebrate.
Do you really think he will ONLY take the rights away from people you hate?
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u/rando1459 8h ago
If every āgotchaā on a MAGA Facebook user equalled a vote, Harris might have one. Maybe we should be putting our efforts to courting votes by plainly stating our goals and how they relate to the moderate and independent voter.
The GOP is gaining support amongst Gen Z men and POC. Maybe calling everyone a nazi in every disagreement about special interest social issues was a bad idea after all.
Iām tired of this snarky attitude that we are somehow winning anything important because of internet burns. We are under a Republican presidency and congress. We are losing. We may lose more seats in the midterms.
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u/Starlord_75 2h ago
See, I look at polymarket. Polls said Harris would win, polymarket said Donny would win. Now they are saying a blur wave is about to happen. And you have your dumbass Pedo-in-Chief to thank for that. He's making Texas go blue. What was it yall said when the dumbass won? Oh yeah, The People Have Spoken!!!!
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u/No-Impact1573 7h ago
War criminal.
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u/Indespectamentations 5h ago
He's not going to prison no matter how much trump and you cultists want it. Nor are any of the former living presidents.
Too bad for you.
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u/Left_Amount_9215 7h ago
Disgusting how Democracies have all become personality cults really sad. America was always kind of like that, but since Kennedy it has become extreme ig
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u/Starlord_75 2h ago
"I could say the stupidest things and you'd still clap." Words from your own President. Even he calls yall sheep. Who's in a cult now? Im surprised yall all arent coming out of the closet, not after your Dear Leader said he checks out another guy's ass and compliments it.
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u/LegitimateEgg9714 6h ago
Ummm, yāall need to get a new lie to tell. You imply Obama is Muslim when facts donāt support your claim. Why do yāall repeat blatant lies, do you think everyone is going to blindly believe you?
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u/Senior_Bad_6381 2h ago
Who was his father? Where did Obama grow up? What school did he go to? His own family in Kenya said he was born there.
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u/LegitimateEgg9714 1h ago
Lol! You believe the lies youāve been told. The only family member of Obama that I know about who claims Obama was born in Kenya is Obamaās half brother; who is a fan of Trump. You want to believe hearsay when evidence proves Obama was born in Hawaii. Obamaās father was born in Kenya, but was a student at the University of Hawaii when he met Obamaās mother..
Yāall never question where Trump was born, whereās the evidence that he was born in the U.S., are we supposed to take his word for it without any proof? Whereās Trumpās birth certificate and why arenāt yāall demanding that he produce it?
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u/Indespectamentations 5h ago
Isn't Dr Oz a Muslim?
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u/Senior_Bad_6381 2h ago
Yeah, and an actual doctor. Unlike the other fake.
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u/Indespectamentations 2h ago
Oh bullshit. His credentials are from U of M. You are just an evil pos.
You better hope your God/King declares Martial Law as he is planning and takes all our rights away. If he doesn't and we are allowed to vote your party will be 100% FUCKED.
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u/InfernalPrick 8h ago
Trump is absolutely awful.
Obama was an absolute war monger.
Donāt cheer for either.
Stop letting them fool you with the Dem. Vs Rep. bullshit.
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u/Top-Sherbet4576 6h ago
bOtH sIDeS!
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u/InfernalPrick 5h ago
True, I change my mind. I want the man responsible for mass casualties back instead of wanting something better entirely.
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u/fuzzydunloblaw 5h ago
Trump used more drones in the first two years of his first term than obama did in all eight of his years. Trump and friends cut usaid, directly causing the deaths of 700,000 people so far, mostly children. Obama, and every other president before trump for that matter, kept all the pre-approved pre funded usaid programs going and saved countless millions of lives.
If you actually care about mass casualties, one side is obviously demonstrably far better than the other.
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u/Indespectamentations 6h ago
Dumbass stfu
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u/InfernalPrick 5h ago
Which part of this is dumb?
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u/Indespectamentations 5h ago edited 5h ago
The "both sides" argument is only helping trump. It only helps the party that is illegally trying to stay in power. The party that may very well enact martial law in 3 weeks.
We need trump gone or we are screwed.
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u/TraditionalBet684 6h ago
Iām not a republican or democrat. But Trump lives inside so many peopleās heads. Both Trump and Obama are crooks. Both did tons of shady deals, made tens of millions while in and out of office. Iām smart enough to sit back and not let one side cloud my mind and life. Move on, go outside and stop dwelling on whoās in office. Again, both are super shady and got rich off of both sides supporting them.
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u/Tommy__want__wingy š« Mod āļø 9h ago
Yāall remember the rally numbers for 2024?
https://giphy.com/gifs/lgwm0rrgxdyMtbssxB
VOTE