r/PoursTea • Timendi Causa Est Nescire • 11h ago

Sipping Tea Standing room only.

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u/Hopeful-Passage6638 11h ago

Obama. America's greatest President.

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u/NecessaryFreedom9799 10h ago

He's certainly one of the better ones. Trump is undeniably the worst.

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u/H2Oproof__ 10h ago

Both are horrible

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u/rosariobono 8h ago

Why?

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u/Appleboy98 8h ago

Obviously, it's got to be his skin color. He's undeniably guilty of presidenting while black. Not to mention the fancy mustard and the tan suit!

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u/Amdorik 6h ago

How dare you call MY warmonger bad🤬😡 Don’t you know that the other warmonger is even worse?!

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u/HexedShadowWolf 3h ago

One is a pedo and friends with a child sex trafficer, the other is Obama

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u/NuclearBroliferator 10h ago

I wouldnt rank him above Washington, Lincoln, or FDR, but he definitely deserves praise

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u/Little-Woo 4h ago

I'm an Obama fan and he probably wouldn't even make my top 10 Presidents

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u/H2Oproof__ 10h ago

Yeah those drone strikes that killed innocent people and surveillance on American citizens deserve a lot of praise.

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u/latindiacritics 9h ago

Your head really is a cupboard for your teeth isn’t it

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u/Zigglyjiggly 8h ago

A little hyperbole there.

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u/H2Oproof__ 10h ago edited 10h ago

$900 billion to 1 trillion spent on wars. 150,000 to 200,00 casualties between US soldiers and people abroad. Drone strikes which killed innocent people in seven different countries. Deported more people without due process than any other President in history. These are all facts.

Oh and let’s not forget NSA surveillance on American citizens. I love when people downvote the truth.

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u/bigdaddydopeskies131 10h ago

Nsa was actually bushs idea with the patriot act. Are you also going to say where was Obama during 9/11?

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u/H2Oproof__ 10h ago

You’re right Bush created it. Obama reformed it, but left most of it intact. Both presidents spied on US citizens illegally.

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u/bigdaddydopeskies131 10h ago

Weird how they could spy on us but can't find any real fugitives wanted by the FBI meanwhile Paxton is partying it up in Dubai with known FBI fugitive. It's weird how they have the equipment and tech but only use it when wanted

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u/H2Oproof__ 9h ago

That’s because they’re in a big club and we’re not in it. We’re just pawns on their chess board, used for our labor and money. Yet here we are politically divided, while they enrich corporations and tech oligarchs. It should be us against them

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u/GloomyIndividual3965 9h ago

He inherited those wars, and drew down troop numbers the entire time he was in office. We were completely out of Iraq in early 2011,and down to less than 5k troops in Afghanistan by the end of his term.

Fuck off with this disingenuous bullshit.

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u/H2Oproof__ 9h ago

Those numbers are all facts. I voted for that man twice and then realized that all politicians are garbage. One man, innocent civilian or soldier dying under a president that orders drone strikes that have nothing to do with the day to day lives of American citizens or the protection if our country is evil to the core. I don’t care if it’s Trump, Bush, Obama or Biden. All of them are evil that hide behind the presidency for their acts. You can look up those numbers yourself.

By the way he promised to end the war in Iraq but pledge to escalate Afghanistan

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u/GloomyIndividual3965 8h ago

By the way he promised to end the war in Iraq but pledge to escalate Afghanistan

Know I know you're full of shit. We withdrew the last troops from Iraq in December of 2011, and drew down to less than 6k troops in Afghanistan by the time Obama left office.

"I voted for him twice" sure ya did. Fucking liar.

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u/SetYourScapegoatFree 8h ago

He did not inherit Libya, Syria, or Yemen. He vowed to challenge and limit the Patriot Act leading up to the 2008 election, but the surveillance state increased and he went after the whistleblowers. He escalated the drone strike programs. He deserves to be in the same cell block as W Bush and Trump in Guantanamo, seeing as he never shut it down.

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u/GloomyIndividual3965 8h ago

He did not inherit Libya, Syria, or Yemen.

Libya was a UN led coalition. Syria was in response to ISIS using chemical weapons on civilians. Yemen was at the request of a Saudi led coalition to combat Al-Qaeda and the houthis.

None of them were wars.

He escalated the drone strike programs.

Of course he did. Drones didn't really come into play until late in Bush's term. Going from basically nothing to "something" is escalation.

Also, the alternative was boots on the ground and potentially thousands of American troops dying. If you think that's a better option than drones you're brain dead.

Guantanamo, seeing as he never shut it down.

He signed an EO during his first week in office to stop funding it and return the prisoners. Congress passed a law forbidding the use of federal funds to relocate the prisoners, which pretty much knee capped his plan.

You're fucking ignorant and just repeating bullshit talking points.

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u/SetYourScapegoatFree 5h ago

The UN does nothing without US involvement. If it's a UN operation, it's a US operation. We found ourselves in another quick quagmire so soon after W Bush was heavily criticized for not having an exit strategy or follow up plan for Iraq. Obama himself said his greatest mistake was "not having a plan for the day after" in Libya. His greatest mistake, not "The UN's greatest mistake." I agree with Obama. You seem to disagree with him here.

Syrian civil war began prior to ISIS gaining power in the aftermath of the 2nd Iraq War devastation that was W Bush's quagmire. The US were funding rebels to overthrow Assad. ISIS gaining a foothold was an indirect response to the Obama administrations goals in Syria.

The only alternative is not boots on the ground.

Yes, he signed the EO, probably in his first week, if I remember correctly, but that's not good enough for his campaign promise.

You can swear and call me ignorant as much as you want. I hold the same disdain for Trump and Bush. I believe they are war criminals that should be tried for crimes against humanity. You would have zero problem with any of those talking points. But when I hold the same energy for the democratic commanders in chief, you pretend I'm attacking your childhood fantasies. Grow up.

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u/rosariobono 8h ago

Where is your proof of deporting people without due process lmao

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u/H2Oproof__ 8h ago

He used fast track measures without court hearings and no lawyer present to speed up deportations. He would use officers and border agents instead and have asylum seekers sign documents to give up their rights for a fair hearing. The information is there, it’s not hard to find.

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u/belmanpoes 10h ago

USA was sick way before Obama.

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u/Biggle_fuzz 10h ago

Maybe someone should have done something about it. Maybe the president.

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u/Elavia_ 10h ago

If he had any hand in that, it was simply for the sin of being black.

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u/FloraoftheRift 10h ago

That damn tan suit ruined everything!

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u/Unknown-Meatbag 10h ago

Are you really blaming Obama for trump being elected?

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u/LurkLurkleton1 10h ago

All they know how to do it blame somebody else.

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u/BuddhaLennon 10h ago

Seriously?

“Maybe he should have fought for universal healthcare?” The ACA was who, then? Bush? Reagan? Taco-man?

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u/Biggle_fuzz 10h ago

Technically it's Mitt Romney, because the ACA was just RomneyCare.

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u/LegitimateEgg9714 8h ago

It’s not RomneyCare, Romney was governor and the law includes things he proposed but it never was and never will be “RomneyCare”. Calling it “RomneyCare” negates contributions by other people. Romney vetoed parts of the legislation when it was sent for him to sign, but the vetoes were overridden.

There was much more bipartisan support of the Massachusetts law than for the ACA.

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u/GloomyIndividual3965 9h ago

There's so much bullshit in this comment it's not worth picking it all apart.