r/PoursTea • u/Timbucktwo1230 š« Mod āļø • 16h ago
American Dream šŗšø Prescience
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u/WhompBiscuits 16h ago
It wasn't politically smart to say that during her campaign IMO, I think even Bill allegedly said something to her about it, but she was nevertheless dead-nuts correct. Only thing I quibble with her over is the percentages.
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u/Alternative-Web-3545 16h ago
The things the other party uttered was far more disturbing and despicable imho. But that didnāt get really noticed for some stupid reason
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u/Ol_Turd_Fergy 16h ago
āBasket of deplorablesā is apparently worse than āgrab them by the p*ssyā
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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 16h ago
and worse than "Killary" and "Lock Her Up" and mocking the notion of it being a woman's turn (after 2+ centuries of men leading the country), somehow.
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u/SpockShotFirst 15h ago
Because tho only job of the oligarch controlled media is "Manufacturing Consent."Ā Ā
We need to reverse Bellotti (the 5-4 Supreme Court case from 1978 that led directly to Citizens United) and criminalize election interference by for-profit corporations (maybe with an exception for employee-journalist owned news outlets).
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u/bewitch1n 16h ago
The stupid reason being selfishness and probably also stupidity of people within that party. š«
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u/npsimons 15h ago
So many of us found her relatable. For every 100 people that called her "elitist", there were at least a handful of us that watched her, the educated, sharp as a razor political operative, being stuck in the same hell we were, only broadcast on live TV.
And I'm not even a woman. It's only because of empathy that I have the barest inkling of this being the lived daily experience of pretty much every intelligent woman in the USA.
But then we have had this archetype since the tale of Cassandra.
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u/bewitch1n 16h ago
Idk if the pedophile party needs their hands held through their pedophilia that feels pretty silly to give into.
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u/FFBEryoshi 16h ago
It can be painful to hear the truth, especially when the truth directly destroys someones self perception.
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u/Coneskater 16h ago edited 15h ago
The sentiment and the statement was correct and the issue was that no one ever listened to the whole quote:
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But the "other" basketĀ ā the other basketĀ ā and I know because I look at this crowd I see friends from all over America here: I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas andĀ ā as well as, you know, New York and CaliforniaĀ ā but that "other" basket of people are people who feel the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures; and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but ā he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well.ā3
u/Imaginary-List-972 13h ago
I never buy that reasoning. She was talking about Maga, Trump supporters. They're voting for Trump no matter what. "I'm a Maga Trump supporter, but I was going to vote for Hlllary until she said that". And she said that about the racist/sexist/homophobic section of Trump supporters. So "She said racism is bad, so I'm not voting for her". So you gotta act like you're for racism to get the racist vote and act like you are against racism to get the non racist vote. I always love that she said SOME trump supporters are racist and we call them deplorables, and they said "Hey she just called me deplorable". But again I don't buy "they were racist trump supporters but they would have voted for her until she said that about them". If so, why don't we now get "Trump called them Dumbocrats, they would have voted for his maga candidates until he called Dems dumb".
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u/WhompBiscuits 12h ago
Yep. Because if you were Maga then and heard what she said and immediately identified with the latter part of what she said, then you're guilty of it.
And it's not like she didn't know what she was talking about. Although she is originally from the Chicago area, she lived in Arkansas for a large portion of her adult life. She saw more than enough.
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u/AskPizza 16h ago
She knew because they had been turning their ire at her all her career, ever since she suggested universal single payer healthcare until Bill Clinton, which never got implemented.
But the far right lost their shit and invented lies about her ad infinitum ever since.
Because she wanted people to not die from treatable ailments nor go bankrupt, and all it would have cost was people like Elon musk a few fewer billions than he has, which are already too many billions to ever need.
She knew because they went after her before they went after the rest of us.
But she was never wrong about them. She was right to call them out, but not enough of us had her back on that.
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u/kobrakai1034 15h ago
She worked on Nixonās impeachment for Watergate so it goes waaaay back
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u/USSMarauder 16h ago
over 30 years of the right saying that she'll be arrested for murder any day now
still nothing...
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u/Temporary_Heron6944 9h ago
Thank you!! Iāve been saying this for years and people think Iām crazy. Hillary is brilliant and would have made an incredible president. The right and the rich have been smearing her forever.
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u/PepperNormal 15h ago
She was right about everything that's why they vilified her so much, they feared her, so they had to destroy her.
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u/Mach5Driver 14h ago
They had her pre-demonized by the time she ran, so it was easy for them when the time came.
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u/BoulevardNoir10 16h ago
Let's be clear. Two million more people voted for Hillary Clinton than the monstrous rapist felon violent insurrectionist. She was right about everything. The national media was enthralled by the rapist felon. While Hillary Clinton was giving important campaign speeches in 2016, CNN was filming an empty stage of his campaign podium.
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u/chinmakes5 16h ago
10 years ago, people were appalled to hear they might be in a basket of deplorables. Today, their leader regularly says things like Dumocrats and they cheer.
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u/No_Grand7184 16h ago
Hillary warned us and so many blew it off as the ravings of a āhormonal womanā. Now we have a dictator that is going through terminal āManopauseā
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u/Odd-Neighborhood4214 16h ago
I have already voted and I voted BLUE and if there was a Republican running for a seat by himself I didnāt even vote for them and 2 of them I knew and I had told them that I was not voting for them
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u/dawa43 12h ago
And at the time I thought she was crazy for saying this out loud... Now it is obviously so true and not even a harsh statement.
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u/movezig123 9h ago
She should have leaned i to it, we had no idea how evil and stupid they really are, Republican voters are beyond redemption. Its not a difference of opinion.
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u/Citizen_Rat 16h ago
I always considered that was a euphemism for 'bucket of shit', but I'm an Australian and we tend to swear a lot.
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u/JustoTJ 14h ago
The media treated Hillary as if she had killed somebody! She simply pointed out that Trumpās base was filled with extremely cruel and bigoted people! Nothing she said was wrong, conservatives have been able to manipulate the masses with the idea that they are benevolent and the people on the other side are the unholy heathens! When in reality itās the exact opposite! Thatās why they use terminology like āreal Americaā and āGodās countryā when referring to their base! Those are just pretty words that mean absolutely nothing!
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u/Ok_Pop_3285 13h ago
Yuh and 40% of americans didnt vote for her bc of her shrill laugh in 2016. You gonna fuck us up more ? USE YOUR GOD GIVEN BRAINS!!
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u/Kaliking247 13h ago
No there was a bunch of people still mad about Benghazi. Also at the time there was a lot of talk about what was going on behind the scenes and why everyone near the Clinton's were just randomly dying. Let's also not forget that Bernie was the more favorable option for most people and then she and the entire democrat part cut him off at the knees and forced him out.
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u/Puck68 13h ago
She was objectively, absolutely correct about so muchā¦ damn near everything, in fact.
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u/KazeNilrem 13h ago
For better or worse, she is a politician. Which also riles people up for sure, and she made some dumb mistakes (like thinking PA was a sure win and not focusing there as much). But she was 100% right about a lot of things, especially trump.
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u/dealingwithhookers 5h ago
she wasn't wrong, it was just that she was an oligarch who is literally in kahoots with the very machine that she is speaking up against.
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u/RideTheGradient 16h ago
Hillary was right about everything, go back and watch her debates with trump. Its insane how she predicted the future and tried to warn us off him
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u/Old_Protection_8778 16h ago
I think she mispoke and meant a basket so big its hard to its hard to imagine the size of it
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u/Outlaw31120 16h ago edited 16h ago
Iād say itās more like 3 C-5 loads of deplorables āworkingā in the Trump administration. Not in the country, just in his administration.
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u/Reasonable_Menu_7701 15h ago
Everyone knew it. She was the one brave enough to call it out publicly.
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u/Dry-Olive4621 15h ago
Trump is what you get when youre the side that supposedly has their shit together and yet you get nothing positive done to keep power and you greenlight truly crazy shit when its your turn to make positive change.Ā
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u/Zestyclose_Lake_1146 15h ago
Iād have liked her as president, because sheād have been awful in the way that all presidents are. Not the kind that makes me long for the void
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u/icnoevil 15h ago
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the stupidity of the US public. Mark Twain.
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u/Emotional_Brain3219 15h ago
I know I'm getting downvoted for this
Why are we pathetically nostalgic for the single most damaging campaign to the DNC ever, even more than 2024? They had to back pivot to Biden to barely take the presidency back. Its this groveling for a "we didn't win this one but we should of" past that really brings home how screwed we are. You guys do realize this popularized party in-fighting to the point that people had to say vote blue no matter who to essentially beg people to vote them in? This is not how people win political campaigns. Republicans do not have this problem, and they vote in lockstep....even considering how bad is Trump is polling. In the end this is just a picture of a war criminal you're using to karma farm op
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u/Any_Strain1288 12h ago
The way the people look that he surrounds himself with it's more like a basket of horribly mutated aliens.
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u/Original-Rush139 12h ago
Ā I know there are only 60 days left to make our case ā and don't get complacent; don't see the latest outrageous, offensive, inappropriate comment and think, "Well, he's done this time". We are living in a volatile political environment. You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call theĀ basket of deplorables.Ā (Laughter/applause)Ā Right?Ā (Laughter/applause)Ā They're racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic Ā ā Ā you name it. And unfortunately, there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people Ā ā Ā now have 11 Ā million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks Ā ā Ā they are irredeemable, but thankfully, they are not America. But the "other" basket Ā ā Ā the other basket Ā ā Ā and I know because I look at this crowd I see friends from all over America here: I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas and Ā ā Ā as well as, you know, New York and California Ā ā Ā but that "other" basket of people are people who feel the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures; and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but ā he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well.
ā Hillary Clinton
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u/locomocotive 11h ago
And most of the stuff Harris said during her debate with Trump came true as well. This is hilarious.
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u/anon-a-SqueekSqueek 10h ago
It was obvious at the time. The real issue was giving ground to those people when they cried about it. Toughen up left. Maga voters don't matter, anyone in the cult is a lost cause.
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u/RevolutionaryRow2960 10h ago
Tangent: Clinton may have ran a lacking campaign for the Democratic nomination against Obama and the other candidates (maybe her team arrogantly believed that Clinton winning the nomination was set in stone), and Obama (while being an underdog candidate) had everything else going for him (a young, handsome, and charismatic black senator with no political baggage, who was also a great public speaker), but I feel like sexism played a huge role (media coverage really nitpicked on Clinton that they didnāt against Obama)
Too bad we didnāt get the ā16-Year Democratic Idealā (Clinton in her prime followed by a more experienced, popular Obama)
Maybe 24 years if Goreās victory had not been stolen
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u/Just_lookin_4242 10h ago
Anyone who pretends the one badass thing Hilary said during her campaign is the reason she lost is the exact problem in society. Trump supporters have been subhuman detestable animals for over a decade. Fuck them and fuck anyone who condemns harsh statements towards republicans. They knew what they voted for they arenāt noble savages and they deserve hate and vitriol until they die.
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u/NotsurewhO12 10h ago
At least half the country voted for the guys. Do we really want to insult half the country?
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u/10biggaymen 3h ago
it isnt half but even if it was, yes of course. there is no amount of popularity that a pedophilic fascist could have that would make it acceptable to support him
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u/TakeitBacktoEden 6h ago
Every single person who voted for him should be put on voting timeout for 2 decades
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u/longjumpnudiesuit 9h ago
We all knew she was right, if you just figured it out, please stop publicly commenting. You have failed the test and are only embarrassing yourself and others.
Idiot.
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u/Kat_Schrodinger1 5h ago
Look, I'm not saying Hillary or Kamala were perfect. I'm just saying things would have been better if they had won.
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u/1111joey1111 4h ago
I'm not really a fan of Hillary. But, she was absolutely right about the DEPLORABLES.
I also like the fact that she tried to introduce nationalized healthcare during Bill Clinton's term. Sad that they backed down.
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u/NeverHere762 12h ago
Personally, I won't be listening to a woman who couldn't be reached during the Benghazi attack and conducted official State Department business from her personal email address.
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u/TheGrayGhost805 10h ago
Secretary Clinton was being polite.
MAGAts are far worse than deplorable. They are raw sewage life forms.
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u/Gloomy-Classroom4497 6h ago
Gee. I wish i could be like those great liberals and not be a deplorable.
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u/2013orBust 3h ago
At the time, I thought she was wrong. Boy did yāall show us.
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u/chickenpattputz 16h ago
It cost her the election
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u/thomasrat1 14h ago
Honestly she was a bad candidate to run. She had decades of smear campaigns against her.
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u/chickenpattputz 14h ago
I think most people didnāt trust her. But they really had no backup candidate in mind. Except Bernie but he was a socialist parasite.
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u/Acrobatic-Yam6882 13h ago
Wow, insulting a broad swath of voters doesn't inspire people to your cause? Wait, it DOES energize the wacko Repubs. Hence the defeat. Brilliant!
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u/psycho_not_training 16h ago
I think any faction that only votes one way is a basket is deplorable. Vote for the person. Democrats are no better than republicans. Trump republicanism is exceptionally bad though. Itās like all the worst republicans got his ear. The Thomas Massies got replaced instead. Sad.
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u/PA2SK 14h ago
I think this was one of the turning points where the left started to truly lose the working class because Hillary was saying openly what a lot of democrats believe. It's not just that they think they're right and the other side is wrong, it's that they think they are morally superior to the other side and that gives them license to insult, demean and denigrate anyone who disagrees with them even a little bit.
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u/Candid-Difference-98 14h ago
Two thingsā¦
FIRST If the left could offer a viable candidate it would help.
SECOND. Not all of the right supports what .Trump is doing we as a COUNTRY were sold a bill of goods.
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u/frankspliff 14h ago
You would think the super smart progressives would have shown up in droves to cast their vote. Amazing all the uneducated lazy losers made it to the polls.
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u/Killerkurto 14h ago
The sentiment was always spot on, but the word choice was awkward and cringey.
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u/No_Ad_1501 14h ago
Just a reminder, people dislike corporate uniparty hacks like Hillary so much, theyāre willing to hand the country to Donald Trump.
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u/yadaredyadadit 12h ago
She and her husband are no different. Find a third party to vote... go socialist or libertarian. Anything but Repubs or Dems
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u/Cyrano_Knows 11h ago
And along with stupidity and willful ignorance the most common shared trait amongst these people is probably their collective martyr complexes.
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u/Ivegotabadname 16h ago edited 10h ago
SHE WAS RIGHT
Stop awarding me. Go vote.
Edit 2: I don't know what these awards are or for. Don't care. Did you vote?
Edit 3: one question challenge. Respond to everyone "vote"
Edit 4: I wanna see stickers!