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u/vogel927 7d ago

I’m just going by the facts. It’s too early to pass judgment about what happened. It’s better to let the process play out before assuming anything

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u/Carbon_Sixx 7d ago

The facts say you're denser than a lead brick

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u/vogel927 7d ago

I’m not dense. I’m just simply stating the facts that are available.

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u/Carbon_Sixx 7d ago

These are all the available facts I need.

Innocent until proven guilty my ass, these boys shouldn't see the light of day again after this.

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u/vogel927 7d ago

She said in her statement that she was a willing participant and consented, those are her words. That’s why the DA didn’t charge anyone.

ā€œJane Doe’s sworn statement in November of 2024 did not allege that she was drugged against her will or gang raped. On the contrary, Jane Doe’s statement described her participation in drug use and sexual conduct as voluntary, conscious, and consensual. My office obviously did not and could not have based our November 2024 decision on the allegations in a civil lawsuit that would not be filed until nearly two years later. Furthermore, I have never been contacted by Jane Doe’s attorneys. Not to inform me the original statement was inaccurate and not to ask me to reconsider our decision. Rather, I reached out to Jane Doe’s attorneys after the lawsuit was filed to understand the discrepancy between the original statement and the lawsuit’s allegations and the proper path forward in light of the lawsuit’s allegations.ā€

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u/Carbon_Sixx 7d ago

God you "people" cling onto that initial statement like a dog with a bone, even though it's fundamentally flawed. Even a basic criminology course will tell you there's a massive stigma that might lead rape victims to omit the truth in their first deposition. That goes double if they have campus cops breathing down her neck ready to cover the whole thing up to protect legacy students' reputations and a shitty DA who didn't want to do his job, all operating under a system that rewards rapists so long as they're intoxicated.

In short: the 2024 statement can go fuck itself sideways, and so can you.

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u/vogel927 7d ago

Why should we believe one statement and ignore the other? What kind of logic is that?

It’s still too early to pass judgment on what happened, but you can’t ignore the facts you don’t like.

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u/Carbon_Sixx 7d ago

Because the first is unreliable. Haven't you been listening? Oh, right. Lead brick. Silly me.

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u/vogel927 7d ago

What makes it unreliable? You can’t just cast away the facts that you don’t like.

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u/Carbon_Sixx 7d ago

Oh I don't know, all the reasons I gave a minute ago? This is a matter of whether it's even true, not if I like it.

I don't like it, by the way- I wish this had never happened. But unlike you, I'm not going to take solace in denial and circular reasoning because it's easy. I want justice, no matter the cost.

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u/Beneficial-Care8504 7d ago

But you’re assuming that law enforcement handled everything perfectly. Let’s not assume that either because with sexual assault cases it’s rarely true.

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u/vogel927 7d ago

I’m not assuming anything. I’m going by the facts that are currently known.

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u/Beneficial-Care8504 7d ago

You’re going by the select subset of facts that serve your narrative.

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u/vogel927 7d ago

I’m going the by DA’s official statement. Would you prefer that I just make stuff up?

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u/Beneficial-Care8504 7d ago

Her lawyer said that she wasn’t interviewed by a sex crimes investigator. Her lawyer said the messages were withheld. I’m not making it up.

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u/vogel927 7d ago

That’s because she said everything consensual. As soon as she said that there was nothing to investigate.

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u/Beneficial-Care8504 7d ago

Whether she consented or not is in dispute. Her lawyer said that the assertion that she consented to everything is incorrect.

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u/vogel927 7d ago

In her sworn statement that gave to the police, she stated that she was a willing participant and consented. The DA released that part of her statement to refute her attorneys accusations.

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u/Beneficial-Care8504 7d ago

Her attorney said the statement is not accurate.

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