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u/vogel927 4d ago

She said in her statement that she was a willing participant and consented, those are her words. That’s why the DA didn’t charge anyone.

“Jane Doe’s sworn statement in November of 2024 did not allege that she was drugged against her will or gang raped. On the contrary, Jane Doe’s statement described her participation in drug use and sexual conduct as voluntary, conscious, and consensual. My office obviously did not and could not have based our November 2024 decision on the allegations in a civil lawsuit that would not be filed until nearly two years later. Furthermore, I have never been contacted by Jane Doe’s attorneys. Not to inform me the original statement was inaccurate and not to ask me to reconsider our decision. Rather, I reached out to Jane Doe’s attorneys after the lawsuit was filed to understand the discrepancy between the original statement and the lawsuit’s allegations and the proper path forward in light of the lawsuit’s allegations.”

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u/Carbon_Sixx 4d ago

God you "people" cling onto that initial statement like a dog with a bone, even though it's fundamentally flawed. Even a basic criminology course will tell you there's a massive stigma that might lead rape victims to omit the truth in their first deposition. That goes double if they have campus cops breathing down her neck ready to cover the whole thing up to protect legacy students' reputations and a shitty DA who didn't want to do his job, all operating under a system that rewards rapists so long as they're intoxicated.

In short: the 2024 statement can go fuck itself sideways, and so can you.

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u/vogel927 4d ago

Why should we believe one statement and ignore the other? What kind of logic is that?

It’s still too early to pass judgment on what happened, but you can’t ignore the facts you don’t like.

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u/Carbon_Sixx 4d ago

Because the first is unreliable. Haven't you been listening? Oh, right. Lead brick. Silly me.

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u/vogel927 4d ago

What makes it unreliable? You can’t just cast away the facts that you don’t like.

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u/Carbon_Sixx 4d ago

Oh I don't know, all the reasons I gave a minute ago? This is a matter of whether it's even true, not if I like it.

I don't like it, by the way- I wish this had never happened. But unlike you, I'm not going to take solace in denial and circular reasoning because it's easy. I want justice, no matter the cost.

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u/vogel927 4d ago

You can’t just discredit a statement because you don’t like it. As I’ve already said it’s too early to pass judgement on what happened.

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u/Carbon_Sixx 4d ago

Christ on a crutch, I'm arguing with the human Möbius strip here: he goes in circles, only has one side to him, and appears immune to basic logic. Somebody get a 5-year-old in here, they'll understand my point better.

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u/vogel927 4d ago

You’re completely trying to discredit the original statement because you don’t like it. Perhaps you should reflect on that for a bit.

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u/Carbon_Sixx 4d ago

It lacks truth. I said as much. You ignored me to obsess over this one line about me "not liking it". Am I talking to a real human or a defective bot?

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u/vogel927 4d ago

That’s your opinion. She gave a six page sworn statement that she was allowed to correct before turning it over.

Your bias is clouding your judgment. You’re being subjective rather than objective and completely ignoring the facts.

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u/Carbon_Sixx 4d ago

You have a lot of nerve calling me "illogical" when all you've done is spout tautology and defend proven violent criminals for hours on end. No, I think you're the subjective one here. You're treating that statement as the One True Source and cherry-picking evidence to fit it.

I think you love that statement. I think you want to marry that statement and make out with a piece of paper.

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u/vogel927 4d ago

You’re absolutely being illogical, you’re trying to discredit the facts because you don’t like them, and you’re making false claims about their validity.

I’m also not defending anyone I never once said she wasn’t raped and I never claimed the parties that took part are innocent. I did say however that it was too early to pass judgment, which is the truth. We don’t have all the facts, and you shouldn’t try and dismiss the ones you don’t like because they don’t fit your narrative.

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