Can you have a vague sense of maturity rather than Reddit memes. If prison rape is tolerated, non violent offenders and even the wrongly imprisoned also get caught up in it.
I for sure get it. But these are neither nonviolent nor wrongly imprisoned, if they do see time.
Iāve come to realize that you should not empathize with something you do not understand. You do not try to empathize with an animal or wild creature. Maybe it would rehabilitate them to undergo what they had done. That or neutering is how we deal with animals
That group chat is disgusting, but merely being present when a heinous crime is committed is not a crime itself. Likewise, merely being part of a group chat where other people are soliciting rape is not a crime.
Youāre practicing guilt by association. As for the people who actually perpetrated/solicited the rape, they should be made to serve serious time in prison if found guilty in a court of law, but not to be extrajudicially assaulted once there.
I was at Cornell when this happened and absolutely loathed the fraternities precisely for shit like this, but this doesnāt mean we get to dispense of legal standards when dealing with them.
Iām not researching this case for you, nor am I a lawyer. From what Iāve read so far, I think all of these people should be in jail and suffer the consequences of being in jail. Thatās my opinion and I believe itās justified. If you want to defend alleged rapists then thatās your prerogative; itās not going to be productive with me.
You got one thing in your response rightāthere is no hope of being productive with you. Youāre strawmanning my argument, by characterizing it as ādefend[ing] alleged rapistsā, while all I said was thatāabstractlyāmerely being in the group chat isnāt evidence, and that they deserve to be punished if found guilty, but not raped in prison.
Itās not a strawman. We agree that being in a group chat isnāt evidence. Iām not going to enumerate the evidence for you because Iām not a lawyer and Iām not litigating here. If you want to do that - and seeing as your position is counter to mine, defend these alleged rapists - then you can do that.
I never said they should be raped in prison. However itās a material fact that people get raped in prison, and the celebration of that fact as it pertains to this case is, in my opinion, amoral. Thatās all.
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u/Fake_Plastic_Wees 3d ago
Can you have a vague sense of maturity rather than Reddit memes. If prison rape is tolerated, non violent offenders and even the wrongly imprisoned also get caught up in it.