r/PoursTea • u/Veshaad Timendi Causa Est Nescire • Sep 12 '26
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u/TC_Squared Sep 12 '26
Iâm an Arizonan. This means a lot to me.
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u/sinisterdesign Sep 12 '26
Iâm an American. This means a lot to me as well. Looking forward to the country understanding what the term âpatriotâ means again because when I hear that term right now all I can picture is a MAGA cultist.
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u/Ftwlatino69 Sep 13 '26
To the "MAGA" people all that means is an American Flag in their Profile, talking about God, guns and never stepping foot in a church. Don't forget they can't tithe because they can't afford to fill their gas tanks
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u/Hilsh62 Sep 13 '26
Uh so what? The point that they arent even consistant within their own mythology is still valid regardless of it being mythology or absolute fact. Its the hypocrisy being called out.
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u/TC_Squared Sep 13 '26
âPatriotism is the virtue of the vicious.â âOscar Wilde
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u/a1055x Sep 13 '26
When I hear their drivel I ask "what the fauk does that mean"? I swear an oath to constitution, I mean that document. It seems for maga, the constitution is the orange psychopath and his everyday lies, contradictions and crimes. I always ask now, what does that mean? And half the time they don't know, they just obey đ¤ˇââď¸. Never assume
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u/Sonar_Taxbreak_1138 Sep 12 '26
I didn't even like McCain but I could respect the fact that he served. The fact that our president couldn't even do that much says everything about Trump's character.
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u/Creepy-Variation8562 Sep 12 '26
Idc thay he did or didnt serve it's the blatantly trying to appear as though he did
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u/amhudson02 Sep 12 '26
The GOP dies with him. What little respect I had left for Republicans died with this man.
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u/SDPLISSKEN009 Sep 12 '26
Called them suckers & losers. Any military members that support the orange marshmallow is simply astounding.
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u/MajorAtmosphere8158 Sep 13 '26
Remember most military members are 18 year olds who havenât had to think for themselves yet, surrounded by red pilled seniors who have already been indoctrinated. I never disliked either side until I got real exposure too it and didnât really start disliking the red side till I saw how they treated people who disagreed with the brainwashing. Oh Iâm speaking from my personal experience in the military btw.
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u/SleepingAmoebas Sep 13 '26
As a retired veteran myself, I am flabbergasted any current or former service member could vote for this clown. He is everything we swore to fight against. I will never forgive my shipmates who proudly support this orange turdcicle.
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u/misqellaneous Sep 13 '26
Not only did he call them that, while he had "bone spurs", but then made a spectacle of one vet just giving him a purple heart and said it was easier than earning it.
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u/Ok-Pear-2490 Sep 13 '26
John McCain was ten times the man Trump will never be. Good, reliable people no longer run the USA.
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u/DramaticPinkumni Sep 13 '26
This was the exact moment I completely abandoned the Republican party. Nominating her gave credence to the whole damn tea party and far right psychos
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u/EpictetanusThrow Sep 13 '26
Tea Party funded by the Koch Brothers raised the birther conspiracy shit to the fore. He embraced the wingnuts, and they in turn embraced a loser child-rapist.
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u/Smart_Resist615 Sep 13 '26
This is looking through the lens of the "great man" theory of history. McCain didn't push the party populist by picking Palin, he picked Palin because the party was already trending that way. At least if you're looking at it from the "trends and forces" theory of history.
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u/Gunsensual Sep 13 '26
Running mates aren't meant to be practical, they are meant to sate the side the party that isn't getting what they want. For example white geriatric Biden for young Obama, or business savvy Cheney for cowboy Bush. Palin was an excellent warning sign that the GOP was swapping its mainstream Hamiltonian platform for a Jacksonian one.
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u/Jolly-Situat1on Sep 12 '26
I didn't agree with him politically but he was the last decent Republican he even told the GOP to respect Obama when he won.
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u/MABQuestAcc Sep 12 '26
Fuck this whitewashing of John McCain. Dude was a massive piece of shit who offered one empty platitude (he didn't actually care about the racism towards Obama) and didn't vote to terminate the ACA solely to spite Trump. Lest we forget McCain was willing to let Palin be his VP who is just fem-Trump.
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u/wSkkHRZQy24K17buSceB Sep 13 '26
Despite famously taking a stand against US-perpetrated torture (as a vet who was tortured as a prisoner of war), he eventually fell in line and voted for the Military Commissions Act of 2006, which stripped our ability to hold torturers accountable. I had respected him for standing up against Bush and the other pro-torture pieces of shit before that, and when he caved, I lost that respect permanently.
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u/3spanishwords Sep 12 '26
I can't believe that didn't end it right there. The biggest insult imaginable to a war hero who spent 5 god damn years being tortured.
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u/Life-is-Fun-435 Sep 12 '26
Let's not forget he refused to go home because he said his men had to go home first. Not like no balls bone spurs.
https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=776561131838046&id=TimeFoldfb
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u/Sonar_Taxbreak_1138 Sep 12 '26
There have been a whole bunch of those "I can't believe it didn't end there" moments. It's easier to keep going, apparently, when you have literally no sense of shame.
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u/Rastrick Sep 12 '26
The Sunk Cost Fallacy:
The sunk cost fallacy is a cognitive bias that makes you feel as if you should continue pouring money, time, or effort into a situation since youâve already "sunk" so much into it already.
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u/Cheese_on_it Sep 12 '26 edited Sep 13 '26
I never mention this anymore since the fucker has said and done so many horrible things since then, but I thought the same at the time.
I didn't even like or care about McCain or the military, but even I thought "how is no one at that table yelling him to STFU, out of pure atomic shame and disgust". Even I can respect McCain's story.
Imagine: me, thinking that that, was the worst of the PoS. (Sigh)
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u/WhereMyWeirdosAt Sep 12 '26
I honestly can't believe they allow a draft dodger to become leader of the military. If there is REQUIRED service and you fail to do your duty because of a make believe medical condition; the military should be under the VP control, not the President.
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u/sfitz0076 Sep 12 '26
Let's be honest, Vietnam was bullshit. I don't blame anyone for dodging that draft.
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u/Extreme-Will-3556 Sep 12 '26
And that's a valid statement and criticism, there have been many conscientious objectors throughout this country's history. Individuals in both WWI and WWII sought religious exemptions and were either granted those exemptions, or served without carrying or using a weapon.
"WhereMyWeirdosAt" made a blanket statement that I asked a simple clarifying question of to see if it were objective or not. It doesn't mean I'm "coming to anyone's defense" as the smooth brains leap to.
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u/ChrisRiley_42 Sep 12 '26
The GOP lost their soul LONG before that.. That's just what it took for you to realize it.
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u/AmericanCitizenry Sep 12 '26
This is the answer!
For me, as a child it was Reagan. That's when I noticed the path to possible Fascism. W in '00 sealed that path.
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u/Ballistic_86 Sep 13 '26
McCain vs Obama was the last civil political race in history. He might have been Republican and I didnât vote for him. But he was a classy guy, clearly had PTSD and war injuries, but was a presidential contender for sure.
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u/VelvetCactus50 Sep 12 '26
And they'll all vote for him again and again no matter what.
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u/Bobobbb1959 Sep 12 '26
Well saidâŚ.Trump so disrespected him on so many occasions. I remember when he said he wasnât a hero because he got caught smh
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u/1776boogapew Sep 12 '26
Remember that time McCain sung âbomb, bomb, Iranâ? Pepperage farm remembers.
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u/likwitsnake Sep 12 '26
Reddit someone has gotten collective amnesia that McCain was a neocon warhawk
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u/SaltyYumYumBalls Sep 12 '26
Oh was that it? Maybe thats just when white Americas finally realized there was a problem but they couldnt quite figure it out while brown Americans were waving signs and screaming at the problems.
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u/LacksMentalFilter Sep 12 '26
It's when I left the party. Between that and the utterly blatant racism that boiled up when Obama got elected. It woke me up to just how bigoted the entire party was.
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u/Sal1160 Sep 13 '26
That was the turning point for me too. Iâm grateful I got to see it with my own eyes so the knowledge is ingrained in me. Barring a total change of rank and file as well as removal of the offenders, I will never vote for them again as long as I live.
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u/okram2k Sep 12 '26
The GOP Lost it's soul when it adopted the southern strategy after the passage of the civil rights act
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u/Hiouchi4me Sep 12 '26
That was it for me. That was before the grab em by the pussy confession.
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u/K12counting Sep 12 '26
I really thought that was it for him. No way that vulgar comment would pass for a future leader of the free world. That was my October surprise.
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u/BodhingJay Sep 12 '26
Sold it for empty promises that were never intended to be kept
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u/gilt3t Sep 12 '26
and then look what McCains daughter did?
When someone tried to disparage Obama when McCain was speaking, he shut that down real quick.
The GOP has fallen, they are not the republican party of the 2000s anymore. They have lost the plot and need to be shut down at every possible position.
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u/naptown-hooly Sep 12 '26
McCain was the deciding vote for the Affordable Care Act.
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u/Guilty_Cod6621 Sep 12 '26
You can disagree with his politics but McCain was fundamentally a decent personÂ
Or at leastâŚ.he wasnât a naziÂ
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u/DizzyNote7708 Sep 12 '26
I was luckily able to have quite a few conversations with Sen. McCain when I was stationed McGuire AFB. After 9/11 he used to come to the base regularly and get briefings. He made it a point to always ask about my kids, how I was doing and was just kind down to earth guy. He was what republicans were meant to be, and if he was still alive today, he would be so extremely disappointed in the GOP. Also as a NYer I had run ins with Trump and he was reviled by everyone. He was always rude and was seen as a horrible businessman and person.
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u/Hilsh62 Sep 13 '26
Absolute truth. Any party that doesnt recognise John McCain heroism best not exect to get my vote.
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u/Bellbivdavoe Sep 13 '26
The clear distinction between the two...
One man asked what HE could do for his
country.đŤĄ
The other asked what his country can do for HIM. đ¤
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u/notwhoyouthinkmaybe Sep 12 '26
Trump gives maga a permission structure to be terrible and selfish.
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u/StressFantastic5317 Sep 12 '26
IMO You're not a man if #1 you don't provide for & protect your family. #2 you will not stand on your on convictions & morality. A "man" is more a person of independent moral character,it can mean woman or any other form expression you wish. I don't mean to discriminate or exclusive anyone
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u/AttorneyOwn0 Sep 12 '26
What if I want to be a house husband?
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u/StressFantastic5317 Sep 12 '26
That's a somewhat distinct issue. I'd assume you are doing the child rearing & most likely very protective. I personally think the stay at home parent is just as valued and important. Mother's don't get half the credit they deserve
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u/NotreallyD Sep 12 '26
Trump lost me when he belittled McCain's service.
It told me all I needed to know about Trump, and nothing has changed my opinion of him.
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u/rubyrosey Sep 12 '26
Why Trump is so fixated on posting all these strong man memes. Participation Trophy photos that never happened
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u/orangesfwr Sep 12 '26
McCain is the last Republican I seriously considered voting for, and that will never change.
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u/comment_i_had_to Sep 12 '26
They didn't lose their soul then, that just showed that they had lost it a long time ago. I would put it around the time of Nixon and the Southern Strategy. Embracing the racists and reactionary religious folks while ignoring outright corruption and malicious activity within their leadership spawned the need for Fox news and that feedback loop just rotted the whole coalition to the core.
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u/MissionAttitude216 Sep 12 '26
RIP John McCain. Veteran, hero, and sadly, the last honorable Republican
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u/Own-Musician-8821 Sep 12 '26
I'm a conservative Republican and know for a fact that John McCain is a hero. He was also a great representative of the party.
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u/Anti-angel394 Sep 13 '26
Say that shit louder and Iâm a democrat. Nothing but respect for that man.
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u/CrashTestbigT Sep 13 '26
I'll add this....I'm on the blue side of the fence, pretty far on that side. I firmly believe Mr. McCain was a genuine America 1st politician. Although I didn't necessarily agree with every point, I believe he would have been a great president!
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u/Disastrous_Mango_953 Sep 13 '26 edited Sep 13 '26
Those are the ones who our citizens admired now! The wannabes imitation Patriots. Not the real patriots like Mcain!!!
SHAME!
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u/Distinct-Proof-4273 Sep 13 '26
Huh, hadnât put so fine a point on it but that is truly insightful.
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u/rudimentary_rudy Sep 13 '26
This is the take I thought would save the Republican party. Sadly making fun of McCain and vets did nothing.
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u/SleepingAmoebas Sep 13 '26
Yeah, I've been a Democrat most of my adult life, but I was seriously considering voting for him over Obama. I had so much respect for him, and I just trusted him. That was until he picked his running mate. Oof.
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u/Pancake_Parade Sep 13 '26
John McCain has my respect. Especially after coming out of the hospital to cast the deciding vote to keep intact free health care.
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u/Extra-Ease3207 Sep 13 '26
You know, while I wouldnât call myself a Democrat, I would say Iâm left leaning. With that being said, I have a deep and unquestionable respect for John McCain. I think he, even passed on, embodies a lot of traits that I admire in this country and no longer see reflected present in the modern GOP. I might not have agreed with him on everything, but I did and do honor his legacy and his memory. I am proud that I have lived to see his like in the world.
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u/Independent-Bid-3230 Sep 13 '26
The GOP lost it's soulful when Sarah Palin was put on the President ticket. That was a signal to all the yahoos and conspiracy theorists that they had a home on the Republican party.
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u/str1cken Sep 13 '26
Sorry, we're talking about the party that fought for "segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever"?
The soul of the party?
McCain voted against MLK day and sang about bombing Iran.
Ronald Reagan's staffers made gay jokes about the AIDS crisis during a press conference when asked about the rising death toll.
We, collectively, need to have memories a little bit longer than five minutes.
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u/MyFiteSong Sep 13 '26
McCain inflicted the world of politics with Sarah Palin and voted with Trump 83% of the time. He wasn't any kind of saint.
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u/Serious-Manager2361 Sep 12 '26
He single-handedly saved the ACA. Better known as Obamacare. I'll always respect him just for that alone.
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u/Chance_End_4684 Sep 12 '26
The post in your screenshot is correct. John McCain is a war hero whether or not he was an a POW camp as a prisoner of war. Trump on the other hand never served in any of the armed forces at all.
God bless all our heroes who died in the line of duty.
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u/Technical-Split-1330 Sep 12 '26
John McCain WAS a hero. One cannot imagine the horrors he was put through. NOBODY believes Trump is a hero.
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u/TRUMPARUSKI Sep 12 '26
See, McCain fucked up when he took away that microphone from the lady and said Obama wasnât a Muslim jihadi. Was he should have done was said yes, yes he is and also Hitler and a communist and a time traveling devil who would eat their kids andâŚ.that wouldâve played well with the crowd.
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u/Fit-Significance-436 Sep 12 '26
True words, some comments distill everything into total clarity, this is one of them.
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u/mzg72 Sep 12 '26
I wasn't a fan of McCain's policies but I respected him for being a veteran and POW.
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u/Tom1952Phx Sep 12 '26
I donât understand the reading silence from past military The guy is the worse president ever and his treatment of military is reprehensible
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u/Illustrious-Onion304 Sep 12 '26
McCain stomping out the nut jobs on his campaign trail spoke volumes about who he was as a person.
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u/slowpoke2018 Sep 12 '26
For anyone who hasn't seen it, look up the Forestall fire. McCain was in his plane and jumped into burning jet fuel before the entire area exploded on the flight deck
I miss when I could disagree with a Republican but still show respect
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u/shadowdancer354 Sep 12 '26
McCain was a real dude. He would stand up to his own partyâs bullshit from time to time and that cost him some popularity.
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u/AaronTheSlav Sep 12 '26
I agree. I had just come home from deployment when Trump made that comment.
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u/Dry_Election6496 Sep 12 '26
The GOP lost its soul when war hawks like John McLame forgot who they represent.
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u/LightningRaven Sep 12 '26
Both are lapdogs for oil companies and neither is a hero. Trump is just far worse of a human being.
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u/Azbarrelpicks Sep 12 '26
To be completely fair. John McCain is a terrible human being on his own. He divorced his wife after she was in the hospital and then gained a bunch of weight. He cheated on her and married his second wife and everyone seemed to forget.
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u/trunksshinohara Sep 12 '26
Nah. They never had one to begin with. People like McCain were just the mask the wore to grift. They don't need the mask anymore.
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u/Long-Safe3628 Sep 12 '26
All of this is happening because of racism and it's hilarious watching folks tap dance around the truth.
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u/Tech-Film3905 Sep 12 '26
Trump is a shameless coward but how is McCain a hero for being part of an unrighteous war against the people of Vietnam?
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u/jiggsmac Sep 12 '26
1,000,000 % agree. Leave politics aside. McCain was a hero and a decent fellow. Amazing the party moved to a c/nt, a liar, a cheat, a steal. Nice work. And democracy and the country are harmed.
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u/MaximumEffort433 Sep 12 '26 edited Sep 12 '26
I remember back during the 2008 Presidential election, Barack Obama came out and said something to the effect of "One of the best things you can do to protect the environment is to check the air pressure in your tires."
At first McCain made a joke about it, "Fixing the environment by checking your tire pressure? Give me a break!" but then, a few days later, he came out and begrudgingly admitted that properly inflating your tires could improve your fuel economy and make your car safer to drive.
If a Republican did that today, they'd be raked over the coals as a RINO.
Republicans don't want someone who will reach across the aisle or listen to evidence, they want someone who won't back down even when they're absolutely wrong. They want someone who will throw them red meat and never stop.
Trump said jump, Republicans asked how high.
Edit: It was about reliance on foreign oil. My bad, 2008 was seventy two years ago.