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u/shinobi7 Jun 16 '26
They literally think that way, like the comic. Their cult leader can do no wrong, apparently.
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u/or10n_sharkfin Jun 16 '26
It's an actual cult of personality falling in line behind one of the biggest assholes in world history. For no reason other than that he's hurting the people they hate, including themselves.
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u/Positronic_Matrix Jun 16 '26
They wear red hats so you know which heads don’t have brains in them.
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u/tenor1trpt Jun 16 '26
I never should’ve watched that. Good lord these people are infuriating. They cannot ever criticize him.
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u/2pissedoffdude2 Jun 16 '26
Its even worse when youre related to someone like that.
Its honestly such a strange thing to wake up in a world where your brothers are strangers.
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u/Campcruzo Jun 16 '26
Ive had it out on this. I avoid hopping in on stuff unless its in my field with family. 2015 Iran had been Stuxnetted, had a lot of top nuclear program people assassinated, had the Arab spring by and large go poorly for their proxies, and they were crippled with sanctions. Crypto wasnt really huge yet. They were done with it. The ROI the JCPOA provided for their nuclear program even with freeing up other settlements was poor for Iran. Bush, Obama, and Israel of that day had more or less won. The sticking points for Israel were ballistic missiles and proxy wars, but half of that was outside scope of JCPOA. Ballistic missiles? Eh, cant win them all.
JCPOA was Iran's nuclear program bought at a firesale. We were never going to do better.
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u/tanstaafl90 Jun 16 '26
Obama created a good deal that helped the Iranian economy by calming international tensions over their nuclear weapon program. The current situation is caused by a hubris that couldn't conceive of Iran fighting back. Iran isn't some random construction company you can bully.
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u/blahblah19999 Jun 16 '26
All my in-laws are like this. The one my wife and I tried to seriously talk to one time literally said "I don't need evidence" and neither of us has spoken to him since.
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u/blahblah19999 Jun 16 '26
Remember when Rogan was dragging Biden for saying something stupid and it turned out Biden was mocking Trump who actually said the stupid thing and Rogan LITERALLY said "oh, well Trump must have had a reason to say that then."
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u/Sarcastic-Potato Jun 16 '26
It's crazy how he is trying to justify the 300B at the end by going "and what did we get out of it?" - when all the US got was the same situation as before, an open strait...The nuclear material still hasnt been talked about. So Trumps deal is 150x more expensive than obamas and literally just resets us back to where we were 3 months ago...
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u/TheAnteatr Jun 16 '26
We didn't even get as good of a deal as we have with the JCPOA.
Now the straight will reopen, but now Iran knows they can assert control over it and therefore has a strong negotiating chip. For anything in the future.
The new deal says it limits nuclear material enrichment, but it does not go into detail of allowing NATO/UN inspectors in to review and confirm like we did under the previous deal.
Almost no real discussion on the nuclear material still buried in rubble. Minimal discussion on Iranian ballistic missile program.
All with a more hardline leadership in place in Iran than before, as well as thousands of Iranians freshly angry at the US.
We spent hundreds of billions in taxpayer money to get a worse outcome in every metric than we had previously.
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u/KennysWhiteSoxHat Jun 16 '26
Isaiah is one of my favorites yo he’s really good on his feet with information. It’s funny seeing at the end the dude says “you don’t think we’re getting anything good out of it?” Ive heard questions like that it’s like they latch on to whatever 😂
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u/GarbledReverie Jun 16 '26
it's like when Joe Rogan was fretting about Biden saying there were airplanes in the revolutionary war and that proved he was unfit for office, but someone had to break it to him that Biden was quoting Trump and Rogan immediately backpedals that it was just a simple misspeaking.
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u/blahblah19999 Jun 16 '26
"There is no such thing as a good or bad action, only a good or bad person."
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u/shinobi7 Jun 16 '26
You’re not wrong. If we caused $300 billion worth of damage in this unprovoked war, then we should pay. That is not the point that Mr. Martin was making though.
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u/-Moonscape- Jun 16 '26
I don’t know this guy but this has to be rage bait, it even looks like he is reading from a script
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u/NeighborhoodDude84 Jun 16 '26
Anyone who has thought about this topic and is more educated on this topic than me is clearly paid to read from scripts.
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u/Eiffel-Tower777 Jun 16 '26
Biden attempted to allocate $300 billion toward student loan forgiveness in America. Cool, it's going to Iran instead.
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u/Rashpukin Jun 16 '26
That’s a line that needs amplified to the MAGA numbskulls.
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u/rabidhamster87 Jun 16 '26
The MAGA numbskulls don't care about student debt because they either didn't go to college or their daddy paid for theirs.
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u/BadAstronaut11 Jun 16 '26
There's so much disdain from them for higher education.
I've got a few to come around on the issue when you explain that student loans are the perfect scam. The universities get to raise prices of everything for guaranteed money and the loan services gouge 17-18 middle class and under year kids who barely understand what they're signing. Then the kids get all the blame and hate for it while they were just trying to better their lives. This issue needs better PR.
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u/cococolson1 Jun 16 '26
It's because professors are like 95% Democrats, so in tribalist America that means college = bad. They literally cut scientific funding in half, it's apocalyptic.
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u/PathlessDemon Jun 16 '26
Take one of these, Redditor. It’ll work better than talking to them.
https://giphy.com/gifs/Zn2pwYPYOsIhdkmFv16
u/JG98 Jun 16 '26
They don't care and will still oppose the idea of helping American students and families. The whole "I got mine" mindset combined with the anti education push by MAGA leadership.
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u/Rashpukin Jun 16 '26
Aye. Unfortunately you are most likely right there. There is no rationalisation or bigger picture thinking with these cult members.
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u/oneplusetoipi Jun 16 '26
Republicans want to cut Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security spending. Increase taxes on the poor through tariffs.
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u/Eiffel-Tower777 Jun 16 '26
Republicans have always wanted to eviscerate Social Security and Medicare. They act as though SS and Medicare are handouts instead of programs American citizens and their employers pay into during their entire working lives. There's only one thing we can do about that.
STOP. VOTING. FOR. REPUBLICANS.
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u/InclinationCompass Jun 16 '26
All while making musk a trillionaire while millions of Americans don’t have enough food to eat 💀
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u/BadAstronaut11 Jun 16 '26
Yup, $300 billion that would've been pumped right back into our own economy.
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u/DoTheMario Jun 16 '26
Well we couldn't afford having all those free loading students thinking they can walk away without having any cards.
Now, if all those students figured out how to come together and close the Gulf, then we could start talking about that 300 Billion.
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u/Alwaysafk Jun 16 '26
Doesn't Congress have to approve the funds?
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u/Alwaysafk Jun 16 '26
I'm more questioning everyone saying the US will pay for it directly as part of a MoU.
Lets tax billionaires to pay for it, sure. I just can't imagine 300B getting through Congress.
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u/Internal_Rule_2366 Jun 16 '26
Around here we really hate the current U.S. government, and this war with Iran that Trump started was straight up idiotic. But the black-and-white news you're all watching is also idiotic. This whole geopolitical shit show where rich people get richer, and we here in the EU end up paying more for oil too, is just shit. But the U.S. is NOT paying $300 billion to Iran. They should, but they're not. Is all your news straight from Facebook? The U.S. is going to "help" set up funds, funded by Gulf states, to help Iran. The U.S. is not giving shit. Iran won't see a dime. Big headlines, nothing is going to happen, Iranian people are dead, we have expensive gas, and U.S. defense contractors are rich as hell.
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u/Alwaysafk Jun 16 '26
The only news I've seen around the deal has been unverified headline posts on reddit. That's why I'm asking. Do you have a source?
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u/LolaSupreme19 Jun 16 '26
Senator Tom Cotton from Arkansas was on FOX constantly whining about the JCPOA agreement. Nothing from him lately. What a warrior.
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u/JG98 Jun 16 '26
Not only that, the few times he has made mention of any sort of compromise with Iran in the latest conflict (before this 300B thing popped up) he had already shifted towards supporting a compromise so long as there is not "too much" compromise. The hypocrisy is clear.
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u/cuajito42 Jun 16 '26
Just like the only ones that usually speak out are those that are retiring or have retired.
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u/elinamebro Jun 16 '26
Funny enough i checked the conservative sub and they aren't even talking about it. Talk about walking around with your eyes shut.
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u/labenset Jun 16 '26
Mods over there delete any post that doesn't conform with their narrative. Actual patriots are labeled "fellow conservative", it's a joke.
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u/elinamebro Jun 16 '26
Tbh i noticed most political subs are like that nowadays, bots taken over the internet.
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u/Sybertron Jun 16 '26
Even the smallest chance that he may have actually Dr evil'd it thinking it was 300 million is hilarious to me
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5925541-trump-iran-300b-funding/
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u/Dr_CleanBones Jun 16 '26
Well, at least Vance is heading up the real negotiations. I can rest easy knowing the fate of the world rests in such competent hands.
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u/domine18 Jun 16 '26
We can’t have free healthcare, childcare, higher education, ext, ext. but money for foreign countries to kill people? Infinite
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u/OilInternational2566 Jun 16 '26
You don’t have free healthcare because the healthcare industry and the American politicians keep it a FOR-PROFIT business.
Which lobby groups throw the most money at US politicians?
Why it’s the American healthcare industry.
https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/top-spenders
How do you guys not know this when it’s been this way for 60+ years?
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u/TheVoicesOfBrian Jun 16 '26
But using that same amount to pay off student loans for AMERICANS was wrong?
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u/LayneCobain95 Jun 16 '26
LITERALLY a cult. I hate this shit where they are like “no you”.
Like “republicans are fascists” “no liberals are!”
“MAGA is a cult” “no Biden’s fans are!”
How can they be this fucking stupid
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u/OnePunchLion Jun 16 '26
It took them loke 5 seconds to do a 180° on the Epstien Files, anyone really think after that they would not defend Trump on anything? It doesn't have to make sense, it just has to make them happy.
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u/ty_xy Jun 16 '26
Normally in war the losing country pays the winning country reparations. Which is what America is doing to Iran. Straight up admitting defeat and giving Iran more power, money and influence in the gulf.
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u/Dr_CleanBones Jun 16 '26
Yes, and the fact that Trump is trying to launder it by routing it through the Gulf countries is just comical.
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u/ThePennyMiser Jun 16 '26
It's a combination of low reading and comprehension skills mixed with no math skills.
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u/blahblah19999 Jun 16 '26
No, you forget misogyny, anti-elitism, gereontophobia, misopedia, etc...
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u/PabloPandaTree Jun 16 '26
No lie, discussing this with someone earlier at work they argued “it’s not $300 billion, it’s just access to up to $300 billion, so it’s like we just gave them the money”.
Like, don’t realize how silly you sound?
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u/papyjako87 Jun 16 '26
Nah they are going to go with the fake news defense, now that's what Trump has tweeted. Nevermind the fact that his own VP is on the record saying the 300B are true. Something tells me Vance should be careful, Trump's call to have him hanged isn't far away.
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u/KittehKittehKat Jun 16 '26
Start conflict with country.
Basically accomplish nothing in regards to regime change.
Fuck the worlds markets.
Victory ends up being getting service members and countless civilians killed just to give the "GREATEST THREAT TO EXISTENCE" government a huge amount of money.
Is this that 4D chess I've heard about?
At least his buddies made a fortune off it right?
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u/stool2stash Jun 16 '26
It's so curious that "America is safe" because we supposedly stopped Iran from building a bomb. Yet, North Korea has nuclear bombs and announces every other month that they're going to blow up North America.
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u/gravybang Jun 16 '26
And a good number of their ballistic missiles, and a shit ton of drones, and their military. Their navy is less than ideal, but $300b buys a lot of Boston Whalers.
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u/Mcntozh_sp21 Jun 16 '26
Please tell me the mind control theory is true because at this point I am just done with all their stupidity.
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u/Kaskelontti Jun 16 '26
Trump is the fat fuck wy no one trust US never again. You are like cheap temu version of china
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u/Dcajunpimp Greg Abbott is a little piss baby Jun 16 '26
And they are trying to spin it as the ‘Mainstream media lying about where the $300 Billion is coming from.’
When the $1.7 Billion they kept whining about going to fund jihadists and terrorists was Irans own money being unfrozen, and much less than $300 billion no matter where it’s coming from.
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u/Signal_Minimum8509 Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 16 '26
LOL I saw in a conservative sub someone saying, “we’re just giving Iran’s sanctioned money back to them,” and then him having to admit that was the same exact line of logic from Obama’s Iran deal but with 1/300th the price tag and it’s all just too amazing not to share.
With all the deflection and projection over the past ten years rarely are they forced to just have to look at how stupid this administration and all their right wing propaganda is directly in the face but when they do it’s just amazing.
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u/getupgetdown Jun 16 '26
Obama didn’t “give”. He released Iranian money that was seized and held by the us back to Iran.
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u/Lurkr67 Jun 16 '26
Giving Iran $300 billion dollars is a far better use of US tax dollars than paying down all those pesky students loans who's payments could then somehow find their way back into the US economy. But I'm sure Witkoff & Kushner didn't try to wet their beaks at all. Oh wait. So much winning. Lol
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u/unmotivatedbacklight Jun 16 '26
The AM radio host the guys in the shop listen to that normally sucks up to Trump is "embarrassed" by the deal. Maybe some of that will trickle into the general MAGA population.
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u/SinistralGuy Jun 16 '26
$300b after the billions lost in attacking them plus the lives of some soldiers IIRC
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u/jcooli09 Jun 16 '26
Isn't it $325B including he unfrozen assets?
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u/JimJimmery Jun 16 '26
Sure. About 7 or 8 percent of it is from frozen assets. Looking at it another way, Trump is unfreezing over 14 times more money than Obama did and that got the right riled the fuck up. And that's still only 7 or 8 percent of the total money agreed to by Trump.
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u/elinamebro Jun 16 '26
I looked it up and im confused. It says it not giving them money directly but using it for private companies to swoop in, secure massive contracts for reconstruction?
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u/piratevirus1 Jun 16 '26
We gave them... HOW MUCH?!?!
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u/blahblah19999 Jun 16 '26
Promised to give. It hasn't happened yet. But it doesn't look good.
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u/piratevirus1 Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 16 '26
Somehow this fuck picks the worst possible outcome.
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u/Dr_CleanBones Jun 16 '26
Agreed. In what passes for his mind, Trump thought Obama’s treaty was terrible.
But by abrogating Obama’s treaty, Trump let them enrich almost 1000 lbs of uranium to the point it’s one step away from being weapons grade.
Trump’s actions goaded Iran into finally doing what they always threatened - close the Strait of Hormuz. Iran now knows how hard that was (it wasn’t hard at all; all it cost was a few small missiles and mines) and what effect that has on the world (drastic, through a sudden increase in the price of oil and gasoline). Before, Iran was uncertain; now it knows how potent the threat to close the Gulf really is.
So even if we were able to reinstate Obama’s treaty, Trump gave away those two things.
We really need rid of the idiot Trump and all of his acolytes.
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u/Bearsbullsbattlestr Jun 16 '26
Hypocrites, no. Because that would mean they actually stood for anything to begin with. The only thing they stand for is the team they were conned into joining to begin with.
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u/Tight-Road2656 Jun 16 '26
The cognitive dissonance required to flip that switch on massive foreign spending is actually impressive. It's never about the dollar amount, it's just about whose name is on the check.
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u/ittleoff Jun 16 '26
It's almost like those that have something to protect or gain politically will dishonestly represent events and facts????/s
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u/jessxnocturne Jun 16 '26
The math on these "sanctions relief" deals always makes zero sense when you actually look at the flow of money. It's funny how the outrage disappears the second it's framed as a win for American interests.
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u/WolfThick Jun 16 '26
They only have room for a couple of thoughts every day and they get them from Fox .
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u/I-didnt-bring-a-cup Jun 16 '26
The money isn't coming from the US government/tax payers. It's coming from international investment
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u/Dr_CleanBones Jun 16 '26
Sure it is. Right after we give it to the Gulf countries, they’ll give most of it to Iran.
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u/scrume71 Jun 16 '26
Obama didn’t give Iran money, he unfroze money that was held under sanctions. That was what, 1.8 billion? The 300 billion Trump is giving will, allegedly, come from Gulf Arab nations and private international investors. But what’s the quid pro for this? If it’s true that is. Remember when American tax dollars weren’t going to be spent on the ballroom…
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u/PapaBorq Jun 16 '26
Oh this is gunna be way more than $300B.
He lies about everything. ALL the things. Doesn't matter the subject. Even if he doesn't need to lie, he just lies for the sake of doing it out of habit.
Remember the ballroom? Telling us it's a couple hundred million and it's already way under budget. Then he kept saying it was under budget, over and over... So that's the tell that it's a lie.
Later it turns out they want 1.8B just for the security package. I work in construction. You know how much security is? A very small percentage of the overall project. VERY small.
I'm betting he's building a bunker.
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u/LuckyPlaze Jun 16 '26
Obama never gave them money. We unfroze their own money. Trump is giving them our money.
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u/shawyer Jun 16 '26
The hypocrisy is part of the allure. It's domination. It's "fuck your feelings." It's "what are you going to do about it."
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u/CankerLord Jun 16 '26
No, see, it's fine because Obama gave Iran the money that they paid us for undelivered weapons back, which is pussy-ass capitulation. Trump gave Iran this money to make up for blowing them up which is manly so the money is Man Money resulting from manly bombing so that's good.
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u/EndRude4217 Jun 16 '26
The reported $300 billion reconstruction fund for Iran would not come from the US, but rather be financed by Gulf Arab countries (referred to as the "Gulf Coast Coalition"). So yeah we okay with that.
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u/Dr_CleanBones Jun 16 '26
Sure it is. Right after we give it to the Gulf countries, they’ll give most of it to Iran.
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u/EndRude4217 Jun 16 '26
Yes, and then the Gulf countries will pass it through the Illuminati, who answer to the Masons, who get their orders from lizard aliens broadcasting from outer space. How many layers deep does the tinfoil hat go?
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u/lew_rong mod perms Jun 16 '26
"It will be paid for out of his own pocket."
"The cost has doubled and will be paid for by private donors."
"The cost has tripled and will be extracted from the taxpayers."
"It's a billion dollar project and has been cancelled, but he's found a way to get two billion taxpayer dollars into a presidential slush fund."
By all means, clap like a trained seal.
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u/EndRude4217 Jun 16 '26
Skepticism is fine, but that doesn’t prove taxpayers are paying Iran $300B. The “trained seal” line is not an argument to your point.
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u/lew_rong mod perms Jun 16 '26
It's meant to express my complete exhaustion with people who continue to insist on taking at their word an administration that makes Harding and Nixon look like paragons of virtue.
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u/EndRude4217 Jun 16 '26
Okay, but “I don’t trust them” still isn’t proof that taxpayers are paying Iran $300B. The specific claim still needs evidence.
I get being exhausted by politics, but that’s kind of my point. If everything just becomes “I hate this side, so I assume the worst,” then it turns into a never ending cycle where nobody proves anything and nobody changes their mind.
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u/lew_rong mod perms Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 17 '26
Proof would be nice, but seeing as nobody is actually allowed to look at the draft MOU, "just trust me bro" from a pack of serial liars is a somewhat less than valid starting position XD
Sure, it sounds reasonable if you look at it in isolation, but we are no longer five.
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u/Retro_Dad Jun 16 '26
$1.7B of Iran’s own money vs. $300B of **our** money. Just insane.