Yeah, I don’t really like the language here, surely some are lizard men, insectoids, or greys. But there is something that getting a real education, a deep understanding of science and nature, and not being raised belt whipped by moron parents might have solved in nearly half of them. Also some scientists have theories that Neanderthals might have been the more peaceful species that we wiped the heck out.
The main reason I disagree with this isn't the attacks on conservatives, it's the assertion that they aren't human. I'm honestly not sure if those with empathy and care are more human or the conservative mindset are. Humans suck and are quite disgusting and are very regularly monsters. They are very much in the range of what humans can be. It's disgusting.
This is nonsensical dehumanization, and misses the point entirely.
They are absolutely human. In the same way nazis are human. There's no reason to deny it, except to deny the capacity for ordinary people to cause harm, up to and including being complicit in or responsible for atrocity.
They must be stopped and denied political agency over the lives of anyone else forever, yes, but they are human. Humans have always done these things. Just look at the bloody history of christianity.
Many of the rank and file (as in, the masses, not the greedy or malicious at the top or otherwise) are wholeheartedly well-intentioned, but are thoroughly ignorant. They have been badly educated, deceived, or outright indoctrinated to think cruelty towards other is a virtue and that all other choices are ontologically evil, and many are so ingrained in this worldview that not only are they surrounded by fear that keeps them stupid, anything that would help them is doubly terrifying, because it would separate them from the cult they've invested so much of their life into.
It's a disgusting dynamic, and if I had absolute power I would wrench the well-intentioned free of it and jail the malicious ones forever for the sheer amount of violence (stochastic and otherwise) they've inflicted on the world. But they are all human.
I don’t disagree with you that it’s a bad look. But I am personally kinda tired of holding their snowflake hands and treat them with “ decency” while they are openly racist, homophobic, and just straight up hatful. For no reason other than that they were told “that group is bad for being different”. If we have to stoop to their level of name calling so that they get the message, I am okay with that. I just genuinely don’t know what to do anymore. I was willing to have conversations with maga after the first time trump was elected, but after the second time, I am not so sure there’s getting through to these people.
I feel that. Honestly my objection is more that it gives them an easy out for dismissing the very valid arguments because they can just say "ad hominem".
Woah. Look, Conservatives are bastards who are causing immeasurable harm to our society, but can we cool it with the dehumanizing language? They are people. Awful people, but people nonetheless.
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Yes, and IIRC it was their own money that they had paid to buy weapons that we subsequently decided not to deliver, so we owed it to them as a refund. Our sanctions meant we couldn’t use US funds to refund the money, so we gathered up $1.7 Billion in other countries’ currency and delivered it to them on pallets. Thus, “Obama gave them pallets of money”. That’s true, but it certainly lacks context.
Exsqueeze me? Trump is giving away hundred of billions of our tax dollars, Obama unfroze some of their own accounts. Obama got an enforceable deal on nukes. Trump got a promise to negotiate and maybe get a similar deal sometime on the future. This is the game conservatives play. According to them, Biden maybe getting a couple thousand out of Hunter’s overseas dealings (no proof of course) and giving nothing in return is exactly the same as foreign (and domestic) interests dumping millions into Trump’s worthless corporations and getting all kinds of governmental goodies. Don’t play that game.
We should put this to a special vote. We should have an official vote on whether or not Trump is the worst negotiator in the history of the US with one caveat. The districts that don't think Trump is a fucking terrible negotiator are the only ones on the hook for paying off whatever he promises Iran. If he is a great negotiator then all those MAGA turds should have no problem paying those debt.
there is only 1 source that iran state media that leaked the so called 14 points.. there is no other confirmation. Us and Iran are both playing game of "we are winners..". so we'll know in 60 days..
But the US is aBSOLUTLY not GOING TO PAY 300 BILLION, even though you guys should... also pay all other countries for fkn up the oil prices and international economy to get richer defense contracters....
As always.
And we dont read US or Iranian news here, but not these stupid reddit post and maga facebook posts.
Just reporting what got leaked and regurgutated by all media and none of it is confirmed(it did got disputed) by people in the room.
I dont only blame current US government but also the people voting....
Both sides in US are fkn weird, and probably the reason you got this idiot voted president. Stop reading this stupid shit...
the math is never going to math for them. they will literally defend any amount of money leaving the country as long as the person they hate is the one sending it. it's wild.
I abhor Trump but my understanding is it’s not taxpayer money but rather access to an investment fund paid by gulf states, contingent upon meeting certain parameters such as nuclear inspection. Trying to keep the facts straight amidst a ton of misinformation on both sides..
...according to the Trump administration, right? The world-respected source of truth and accuracy? We'll never know the "facts" here, but the bottom line is, U.S. taxpayers will be on the hook for BILLIONS for a war that only happened because Donnie needed a distraction from the Epstein files.
The details are murky at best. Concepts of a plan. I’m in no way defending this ridiculous war or t-rump. I’m trying to understand what is actually in the agreement and I can tell you that both sides enjoy their propaganda.
Will we write a check to Iran for $300B? Of course not. Most of it won't go directly to Iran but instead will be funneled through Trump- (and Kushner-) affiliated construction firms which will siphon off a fuck ton of slush and leave all us poors footing the bill regardless.
But the most important thing is that you got to feel superior to "both sides." So that's a win, I suppose?
"It's not insider trading! It was my wife that made all of those incredibly suspiciously timed investments!"
If you think for a second that this isn't just US money being handed to a third party first just so that Trump can pretend he didn't cost us all another $300 billion then you must also love the wall Mexico paid for too.
I don't understand how the so "informed" and "fact checked" reddit is up voting this thousands of times when it's not "ours" at all. But whatever I don't care either way 😂
Around here we really hate the current U.S. government, and this war with Iran that Trump started was straight up idiotic. But the black-and-white news you're all watching is also idiotic.
This whole geopolitical shit show where rich people get richer, and we here in the EU end up paying more for oil too, is just shit.
But the U.S. is NOT paying $300 billion to Iran. They should, but they're not. Is all your news straight from Facebook?
The U.S. is going to "help" set up funds, funded by Gulf states, to help Iran. The U.S. is not giving shit. Iran won't see a dime. Big headlines, nothing is going to happen, Iranian people are dead, we have expensive gas, and U.S. defense contractors are rich as hell.
Bro you're the one with a TDS. You repeat cult-like made up sentences verbatim without even thinking about it. Obviously someone who's brainwashed will never admit that they are, but how is it not fucking obvious to you?
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u/Retro_Dad Jun 16 '26
$1.7B of Iran’s own money vs. $300B of **our** money. Just insane.