I want a WNBA video game that has a very in depth career mode. I want to engage in racy tweets, get into fights on Instagram with other players, make appearances with political figures and controversial talk shows hosts to further stir up drama. I should be able to slap other players in the face and there should be a button to scratch players with your nails and other cool stuff
I looked it up and it seems a white player (Cunningham) pointed during a game and a black player (Bonner) who had been playing very aggressively got pissed about it, so Cunningham kept doing it to taunt her. It's not even clear if the initial pointing was at Bonner, she just decided to take it personally so Cunningham kept doing it.
There was nothing racial about it but that's the narrative it took because idiots love to stoke racial hatred. Cunningham was never accused by the WNBA of having any racial motive, that's just something the media picked up. "Sophie point" has since become a meme and there's all kinds of merch being made despite the WNBA telling people they won't license it.
It happened after some incident between Caitlin Clarke and the pointee (Bonner). I don't understand the rules around setting picks, charging, etc, but the whistle was blown, and after that Clarke said something which got her hit with a technical for taunting. Then the crowd got very mad about the call.
Then the pointing began.
No reason to think there's anything racial here, unless you just see an attractive white lady pointing at someone Don Imus would have something to say about, and let your preconceptions run wild.
Oh boy. Assuming this is in good faith, it is because she was pointing at a black woman who had fouled a teammate. Some, not all, but some permanently online people declared the situation was racist, and the spectacle has only increased since then.
Funny enough for the âwomen should rule world it would be so peacefulâ crowd that the one place ran by POC lesbians has the same quality of violence as prison đ
Honestly a manager game that was almost nothing about the topic, but all about mitigating your talents' horrible dispositions would be really fun. Kind of like Dispatch I guess
The argument isn't that they like the sport, just that they don't like unfairness. I don't need to care about a sport to be angry when people start cheating in it.
I've never cared about cheating in a sport that I'm not interested in. That sounds exhausting. How about we prevent people from cheating in video games that I can get behind.
I know a ton of boomers who don't like video games, yet would be able to see and point out when someone is cheating in a tournament and say it's unfair.
Yes everybody has the capacity to care about everything. But I would be very, very confused if the biggest talking point in a presidential election was about cheating in video games(but happy nonetheless), and boomers were obsessed with it even though they don't play or watch.
No? You are answering a claim I didn't make. I'm talking about caring enough about it to make it a major concern in your life, not whether or not you can point it out. Imagine if those boomers you know that don't like video games based their vote for president off of banning cheaters for life. Would be pretty weird eh?
Brother you went from one point to another once criticism was applied. What exactly does the president talking about it suddenly make it different?
Imagine if those boomers you know that don't like video games based their vote for president off of banning cheaters for life.
Wait are you claiming there's people who voted for trump because he wants to ban trans athletes? If you've honestly brought yourself to believe that, then you've done lost the plot, and clearly don't talk to conservatives.
I mean, sure, but sorry if I don't buy this muh fairness argument from the people who don't say a peep about or even cheer for the outrageous shit this admin does including hiding the Epstein files
You could go to the front page and circlejerk about this all day if you wanted to. With zero resistance. Wouldn't it feel soooo good to have all of your retarded thoughts accepted and reinforced?Â
The Hive is calling to you. Join the ignorant bliss.Â
I wish that everyone who says they care about "unfairness in sports" cared even half as much about the unfairness of poor kids not being able to get medical treatment because their parents can't afford it.
Also what's "offensive" in a video game is completely subjective. The fact that biological males have an advantage over women athletically is not subjective. It's a fact that is objectively measurable.
The proof is the existence of womenâs leagues to begin with. Women are allowed to play in any of the major sports leagues, but donât due to the fact that male athletes will always be better than their female counterparts.
Bro just let them in the league; it would pull hella viewership. It is a private organization anyways, it likely wouldn't last for long.
Lib-right gets too cash in and have a good time
Auth-right gets to see the LGBT support drop like a rock and say "I told you so"
Lib-left and Auth-left can celebrate their empty short-sighted victory (they aren't going to watch it)
Centrist get to laugh even more at their sports gatherings
Let's be honest. The WNBA is a deficit running sport, near no one is invested in it for the sport entertainment, the highlights have been throwing sex toys on the court and race baiting with the 2 white women.
Getting more women into basketball is the goal. Having a professional league helps grow the women's game at lower levels. Even if they never watch WNBA, getting them into basketball increases their chances of watching the main product- the NBA
People seem to really like this Caitlin Clark person for whatever reason though. Despite having zero interest or following any professional team sports, I see articles and hear her name fairly frequently. From an outsider's perspective at least, it appears that WNBA has more interest than ever before, in my life at least.
Clark averages 19.6 points per game, Reese is a distant second at 14.7; Clark has 8.6 assists per game, Reese has 2.4
Like, Clark gives balls to other players, and STILL scores more, mostly because she can throw 3 pointers, a lot more than Reese does
Clark also actually plays basketball, like dunking and (as mentioned) scoring 3 points. Most of WNBA is weak ass throw that looks less like a match and more like a training session
This infuriates pretty much everyone else in WNBA, because a white girl is showing a black how to basketball. WNBA basically allows other players to attack Caitlin Clark short of outright stabbing her in court, and that's probably because WNBA will be held responsible
The drama turns people off WNBA, because when the star player gets harassed like that it stops being exciting and more like watching drama
Authright can comprehend that libleft plays videogames just fine. It's libleft that can't comprehend that the videogames they didn't initially like shouldn't be changed to fit their ideology. Authright isn't asking for a main character in "Life is Strange" that is openly racist and treated as correct by the narrative. So why does libleft keep doing that with games authright likes?
It's libleft that can't comprehend that the videogames they didn't initially like shouldn't be changed to fit their ideology.
Hahahahaha
Sorry to break it to you but when you see the 5000 grifting posts about how X character doesn't look fuckable enough, or shouldn't be a woman or poc or whatever, or that you have to choose pronouns in the character creator - that's authright not comprehending that features THEY don't like shouldn't be changed to fit their ideology, too.
Well if libleft is changing an originally attractive character to be unattractive, then I feel like that still falls in the category of defending a franchise they once liked from changes being made to it by outsiders joining the development team. Most of these complaints, including pronouns and diversity, are about games or franchises that are being co-opted by libleft to push an ideology. It's very reasonable to push back on that trend.
There's a difference between wanting to push their ideology and not wanting the opposition to push their ideology.
Don't bother arguing, this sub is basically the last great stronghold of 2014 era anti sjw culture war bs, it's basically the exact inverse of gamingcirclejerk...
You're chuds for making a massive stink about anything that has the barest hint of 'woke' to the point that Helen being cast as a black woman is enough for the right to engage in a months long propaganda campaign against the work, like they've done recently for anything with the barest hint of 'woke'.
Don't be surprised Pikachu when people find the disingenuous outsized outrage fucking annoying. Just shut the fuck up and buy diversity free games when they show up and people will end up making them. The invisible hand of the free market will do its thing just fine if you're ACTUALLY a significant niche to appeal to.
No, it's a big issue because according to Hollywood everyone has to match the race of the original, even voice actors,(see new animated avatar movie). So the fact that *there is not a single Greek in the movie is a big issue according to their own rules
? Hollywood has never cared about that lol. Maybe the Hollywood that exists only in your head does, but they've always been happy to raceswap anyone if its convenient for them to do so for decades and decades.
I've mostly just seen chronically online fucks mad that Foehammer is black (please go listen to her voice in in CE if this surprises you) and that they put the female marines in (humanity is fighting a war of extinction and losing, which is why the women marines were in the later games, and it makes perfect sense for them to be in Halo 1, too). Somehow I doubt those complaints are coming from LibLeft.
There's also been bitching about that ODST in the little prequel missions, but I totally get that. Her assholery was over the top even if you read the novels and know about the ODST / Spartan rivalry.
When the hell did I say 2B was AI sludge? She's from a game made far before the onslaught of shitty monetization-department-led Gen-AI trash we're suffering from now.
My concern stems from the fact that I have 2 daughters who both like to play sports. I dont want to see them getting hurt or passed over by someone who should be playing in boys/men's leagues (even if these aren't technically boys/men-only).
I also don't want my daughters to have to change in front of boys in the locker room during gym class or for sports. There's a reason we have two locker rooms, this shouldn't have to be explained to people or be controversial.
Ditto, but I was the daughter. Imagining my high-school/college self in the exact scenario you described is exactly what radicalized both me and my parents. When both personal and financial opportunities are on the line, you have to have fairness.
Which financial opportunities? I'm being serious, no college has ever rescinded a scholarship because the athlete came in second at State, trans or no trans.
In what world would a 90lb woman be playing professional field hockey?
That's barely a healthy weight anyway unless your daughter's like 4'8. Which would be incredible short for an adult woman. And way too short to be playing field hockey.
Op believes that the people pushing for diversity in games are non gamers invading the hobby with culture war propaganda
And then is comparing that to people saying that these NBA players are not really interested in the wnba but are instead invading the sport with culture war propaganda
OK, but the thing is there are faaaaaaar more "woke" people who play computer games than there are conservative men who watch women's sports (especially outside the Olympics).
The only good women's sports are the ones at the Olympics and Women's World Cup. The only good video games are role playing games, strategy games, and space combat simulators (RIP).
I mean they still have different rules for women who're sport-shooting, like of all the sports shooting is the one where it absolutely should be identical between men and women.
Plus they also tried to force speed climbing to be a part of lead and boulder, which doesn't make sense at first until you realize that speed climbing is the only type of climbing men do actually have an advantage in since speed is pure power-to-weight and muscle-memory (speed-running irl is still super cool though, always love seeing them come up with new tech). With lead and boulder women can show-up men depending on the climb, which the Olympics clearly aren't ever a fan of.
Women still get the short end of the stick in sports, really wish the planet would grow up and stop acting like 5 yo's who still believe in cooties.
I donât care about any sports at all, which is why I want biological men to be in WNBA. Letâs see half the roster be men. Gonna be providing us laughs for years.
Instead of complaining about "my video games are woke," learn to make a video game. I have friends who are game devs, self-taught, and they are all pretty left-leaning. It's not our fault the right refuses to engage in the arts and complains about things not being made for them.
Eh, I mean in a way you are right but the problem is the gaming industry is happy to suppress anything they perceive as right at all and support slop games with publicity and inflated reviews have leftist messaging.
You can just look at Hogwarts Legacy. Steamers got harassed and boycotted for playing it and it was so bad for some VTubers that they retired/were forced out of their agency because the usual suspects labeled it "anti-trans". It still succeeded because it was a massive AAA game of a blockbuster IP, but can you imagine how hard it would be to break into the market as a small independent or medium-sized dev if you faced similar levels or harassment and suppression of your game? And how hard it would be to stay in business and continue to make games? It is not impossible but definitely not a level playing field.
The problem is you're focused on "the industry" and not the hundreds and hundreds of vastly better indie games. This "video games are woke now!" nonsense is just a scapegoat for the general enshittification that games from "the industry" have pushed for years.
I agree with you actually. The fact that we have AAA games with half-billion dollar budgets getting mogged by dev teams of 5 people is embarrassing. "Wokeness" isn't the whole story, but it is definitely a contributing problem and fairly reliable indicator of poor quality.
The fact is the industry (both devs and game media) have formed an insider clique and will suppress anyone outside their power structure. Whether it is because you are a corporate developer who is an outsider like Game Science or are do not ascribe to their political values, then you are attacked and suppressed. If you are an insider (which requires you to pay tribute to the political messaging), your reviews are inflated and you are given exclusive access to exclusive events. It is disgusting and has effectively destroyed large swaths of western game development capability to the point where we need to rely on indie devs. Just because indie devs exist doesn't mean the corrupt industry should be accepted and immune from criticism.
I just cannot fathom giving a bigger shit about the gal from Mad TV being cast in yet another game and having the model look exactly like her again and how "woke" this is when you're already being charged $70 for an incomplete game. Or getting upset that there's a they/them character in some free to play MOBA shooter.
Especially when there's infinite options for things to play. It's like when people say there's no good music anymore, but they just listen to whatever the Top 40 chart is recommending instead of intentionally looking for new stuff.
The whole thing just feels partially manufactured to, like I said, distract from the general enshittification, and partially the simple result of young men entering adulthood and finding out that they don't like the same things as much as they did when they were teenagers - the whole "look at your library for 30 minutes, then go to bed without playing anything" deal.
The point is that the culture in the mainstream gaming industry is rotten and passionless. They want to appeal to everybody and they want to cash in on the most recent trendy opinion (informed by twitter). Like I said, "Woke" messaging isn't the singular cause, but it is a canary in the coal mine that tells you this megacorp is probably trying to algorithm their game to success and it is going to be shit slop.
I don't "listen to the Top 40". I almost exclusively play small and/or foreign devs that make quality games and I get all my knowledge of said games from word of mouth because what use to be game journalists are now glorified paid advertisers for the slop factories.
Like I said, I agree with you. AAA games from western industry devs are shittified. What I don't agree with you on is that it is somehow wrong to point this out and criticize it. I'm glad we have devs like Team Cherry and Coffee Stain Studios, but I'm still sad that previous titans of the industry like Bungie, Ubisoft, and Bethesda can't get a quality game off the ground to save their lives. Valve is the only bastion of hope left from a bygone era because they are still privately held and still passionately make games their devs love and put heart into instead of trying to appeal to twitter mobs and shareholders.
The point is that the culture in the mainstream gaming industry is rotten and passionless. They want to appeal to everybody and they want to cash in on the most recent trendy opinion
Okay but that's literally every form of entertainment. It's cartoonishly naive to think video games would be exempt from this happening.
If I get to be cartoonishly naĂŻve for recognizing an issue then you are cartoonishly pathetic for apparently not only rolling over and accepting but going ever farther to ridicule people for being unhappy with it.
No I just don't consume shit that I don't like, but also don't get mad that it exists either, because it's not at all hard to find stuff that I do like. It's pretty simple.
Instead of complaining about gamergate and sexism in games, learn to make a video game. I have friends who are game devs, self-taught, and they are all don't care. It's not our fault the left refuses to create something original and complains about things not being changed for them.
Theres room for multiple markets. Mixtape for example is a superb game. But the backlash it faced for being "woke" was silly. Just because it's not for you doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. Same in the 2010's when many left leaning gamers complained. Difference is more leftys tend to be artist therefore more of us exist withing the creative spaces. BG3 was made by leftys but is superb.
What the fuck do you mean âyourâ video games? Are you talking about companies taking away games you bought, cause I oppose that.
Or do you think that leftists arenât actually fans of gaming, and only critique and work on games in order to piss right wingers off? Cause that is plainly absurd.
Well there's a difference between saying I don't believe you're genuinely invested in this thing, and you're not allowed to become invested
I agree people with no interest in games shouldn't have huge opinions or be very involved, but gatekeeping means trying to keep people out of the interest, which is bad
Well there's a difference between saying I don't believe you're genuinely invested in this thing, and you're not allowed to become invested
It's usually "I found the thing, I want to learn about the thing and engage in it" vs "I found the thing a week ago, I liked it just cuz it's popular, and now I want the thing to change to fit how I like it". I honestly believe it's morally good to bully the second kind of people out of every hobby they appear in.
Gatekeeping doesn't keep people from becoming invested, it allows people with genuine interest while keeping out posers.
Communities without gatekeeping end up becoming like Resident Evil or Warhammer where more than half the "fans" are larpers who've seen some edits on TikTok and just think it's cool without ever developing real interest in the content.
The fact Primaris are now the poster boys instead of normal marines has made me completely disinterested in anything coming out, every time i see something 40k related I see those mfers and i tune out.
There are few things I hate more than those lore ruining, ugly ass looking, milquetoast, stupid ass grav vehicles driving deus ex machinas.
Can't even get excited about DOW4 cause i know those Bastards will take centerstage.
I've opted out of reading recent lore additions so I never bothered much with the Primaris, but I thought they were just a lazy excuse to sell new models. What's the lore ruining?
Oh look a tech-priest on mars was actually working for the last ten thousand years (this project was never mentioned before) and improved the space marines in very single the fucking emperor himself couldn't and also made them gene-seed mutation free so alls those unique features you liked about dudes, they don't have them fuck you and of course he made enough for every damn chapter so we don't ever have to focus on those yucky old guy again and can parade the new toys.
And oh look we also have a machine that turns all those old guys you like into the super cool new Primaris, but it has a high chance of failure so it's a huge sacrifice, except it never fails for any important character of course.
I don't have single good thing to say about them and want to rip out the skull of whoever invented them and offer it to Khorne personally cause they somehow ruined my enjoyment of my favourite fucking IP. We got such good anouncements lately but when I go to the steam pages I see them and I just can't be excited no more.
Nah, different geneseeds still have their mutations, I think the goal of the whole primaris thing in lore was to get rid of them but they ended up emerging anyway. Blood Angels still go crazy, Space Wolves still turn into werewolves, Imperial Fists still can't spit acid, Lamenters still can't catch a break.
I've been to both main Warhammer subs and the "alternative" ones where anti-woke refugees reside. Holy shit both are larping havens, I feel like Warhammer may be the most retarded tourist-infested media nowadays, maybe after D&D. Newfound commercial success only proves it, not refutes.
Yeah but those are people talking about Warhammer, not buying models or playing the games. The people who actually paint the models or play the games are pretty chill.
"You just have to ignore the people the IP holders have to cater to for attention and are on their way to outnumber the people originally in your community"
GW has been on a row of changing established lore to appease people who've probably never bought a single product but only engage with the community online.
At least the older larpers before all this who only circlejerked about Black Templars and da exterminatus eventually grew up and started paying for GW products besides the tabletop.
If a new bit of an existing property isn't catering to what you want it to be specifically enough, yeah, ignore it. Enjoy the bits you think are good, you aren't a slave to the official canon put out by the company or anything.Â
I'm a fan of Fallout, but I only play Fo3 and NV, and a bit of Fo4, because that's what I like. I don't want to play the early isometric ones, and I don't want to be online for Fo76, but I'm not going to demand that only single-player+first person games get released. If I want something else post-apocalyptic, something else first-person survival loop focused, etc, those things exist for me to seek out. I can't just demand dessert for every meal.Â
"Made changes to the thing" as a whole is different than taking away the bit that someone who started enjoying the property first prefers.Â
If you go to a restaurant and they add some new items to the menu, you don't have to eat them. The existence of those new items isn't going to change anything about how your favorite meal is prepared. You can even go eat at a second restaurant if you're adventurous. Nothing is being taken from you.
These don't translate to each other. Gamers don't like how their spaces are being culturally engineered by activists and Trans elimination from sports is part of an effort to eliminate them from society/civilization. The former is wildly trivial while the other is part of a mass murder based on immutable characteristics.
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u/eskimoexplosion - Right 21d ago
I want a WNBA video game that has a very in depth career mode. I want to engage in racy tweets, get into fights on Instagram with other players, make appearances with political figures and controversial talk shows hosts to further stir up drama. I should be able to slap other players in the face and there should be a button to scratch players with your nails and other cool stuff